kevinmiddleton wrote:
: Franz Heymann wrote:
:: You accessed this newsgroup via gardenbanter. Gardenbanter is a
:: commercial website. It makes money out of advertisements. The
:: potential advertisers judge whether or not to advertise there by the
:: rate at which people access the site. So, to boost their standing,
:: the site runs a gateway to uk.rec.gardening, resulting in everyone
:: who uses them to access uk.rec.gardening registering a hit at the
:: site. Since it is a commercial site, there is no guarantee that post
:: intended via them is not moderated or
:: censured in either direction. There is also no guarantee that the
:: whole of the activity in uk.rec.gardening is available at that site.
:: I am also uncertain of whether there may be time delays before post
:: to and from gardenbanter arrives at its destination.
::
:: It is much more straightforward to join uk.rec.gardening directly.
:: In short, you gain absolutely nothing whatsoever by participating via
:: gardenbanter and you may possibly lose something.
::
:: Franz
:
: I operate the GardenBanter web site and I can answer the points that
: you raised.
:
: GardenBanter has never accepted any advertising and I have no plans to
: do so. The site is non-commercial and will stay that way. I have
: updated the privacy policy to state this more clearly.
:
: With regard to moderation, I do the following:
: Swear words are automatically replaced with **** (I know everyone
: still knows what they are, but there are a few under 14's who are
: registered, so I felt it prudent)
: Spam is removed.
: Offensive messages towards individuals are removed.
: Completely OT messages are removed after 60 days (when the thread has
: gone dead).
: These are the only reasons that an incoming post would get deleted. I
: do not moderate any outgoing posts.
:
: The post timings are quite normal. I have tested across several news
: providers and the time taken to populate three separate news servers
: ranges from a few seconds to a few minutes at most.
:
: GardenBanter is a different way to read the gardening newsgroups. I'm
: not stating that it is better than a newsreader, but I do believe it
: provides a useful service.

Yes it does and thanks. We have some 'ornamental' gardeners here!

Robert The Devil's Advocate www.pafc.co.uk

dommy wrote:
: Hello all,
:
: I was wondering what other people are using to order seed online.
:
: I am thinking of ordering from:
:
: www.mr-fothergills.co.uk
:
: They offer good value for money and dont charge any P&P for delivery.
:
: Would like more opinions etc on what the rest of you guys use.
:
: Cheers

The National society of Allotment and Leisure Gardeners Ltd
http://www.nsalg.demon.co.uk/services.html runs a very good seed scheme
through Kings who have always supplied me with the bulk of my seeds


Robert The Devil's Advocate www.pafc.co.uk

"Victoria Clare" wrote in message
.205...
"Franz Heymann" wrote in
:

Since it is a commercial
site, there is no guarantee that post intended via them is not
moderated or censured in either direction. There is also no guarantee
that the whole of the activity in uk.rec.gardening is available at
that site.

That isn't guaranteed to anyone. Most usenet posters access via
commercial
ISPs, all of whom would happily make money out of usenet if they could
think how, and who will censor posts and posters that might otherwise
prove
expensive to them.

I pay my ISP for the use of Usenet in exactly the same way as I pay it for
the use of email. That is how the ISP makes its money.

Incidentally, can you have an offline session with a usenet group when
working through a web based portal?

I habitually do so when using usenet directly.

Franz

Even Google's usenet archives display advertising.

There is no advertising of any kind involved in the way I use usenet, which
is by working through my ISP and joining the newsgroup of my choice, and
paying my ISP for the service.. If there were, I would stop playing
instantaneously. My brain is not for washing.

[snip]

Franz

"dommy" wrote in message
s.com...
Franz Heymann wrote:
*"dommy" wrote in message
s.com...
Franz Heymann wrote:
*"dommy" wrote in message


s.com...
Hello all,

I was wondering what other people are using to order seed
online.

I am thinking of ordering from:

www.mr-fothergills.co.uk

They offer good value for money and dont charge any P&P for
delivery.

Would like more opinions etc on what the rest of you guys use.

The rest of us guys don't use an organisation like Gardenbanter,
with
an axe
to grind, to participate in uk.rec.gardening. We joined this
newsgroup
directly in order to ensure unmoderated mail. There is a non
zero
probability that these remarks of mine will not appear in
Gardenbanter.

Franz *

sorry I dont understand what you mean? Can you elaborate
please.


You accessed this newsgroup via gardenbanter. Gardenbanter is a
commercial
website. It makes money out of advertisements. The potential
advertisers
judge whether or not to advertise there by the rate at which people
access
the site. So, to boost their standing, the site runs a gateway to
uk.rec.gardening, resulting in everyone who uses them to access
uk.rec.gardening registering a hit at the site. Since it is a
commercial
site, there is no guarantee that post intended via them is not
moderated or
censured in either direction. There is also no guarantee that the
whole of
the activity in uk.rec.gardening is available at that site. I am
also
uncertain of whether there may be time delays before post to and
from
gardenbanter arrives at its destination.
It is much more straightforward to join uk.rec.gardening directly.
In short, you gain absolutely nothing whatsoever by participating
via
gardenbanter and you may possibly lose something.

Franz *

Im sorry Franz, i have absolutly no idea what you are on about. All I
wanted to know about was online seed companies.

So back to the topic, which companies do you use/recomend etc.

Since you appear to like the web, why don't you try to find the folk
offering seed online in the UK by utilising Google?

It always surprises me to find that there actually are folk who don't wish
to learn.

Franz

Im sorry, i serioulsy dont know what your problem is my friend but you really do need to take a chill pill.

And by the way I did do my research by doing a "google" and I i would have you know that the search results were limited. Therefore i posted here to find out what others were using.

"kevinmiddleton" wrote in message
s.com...
Franz Heymann wrote:
You accessed this newsgroup via gardenbanter. Gardenbanter is a
commercial website. It makes money out of advertisements. The
potential advertisers judge whether or not to advertise there by the
rate at which people access the site. So, to boost their standing,
the site runs a gateway to uk.rec.gardening, resulting in everyone
who uses them to access uk.rec.gardening registering a hit at the
site. Since it is a commercial site, there is no guarantee that post
intended via them is not moderated or
censured in either direction. There is also no guarantee that the
whole of the activity in uk.rec.gardening is available at that site.
I am also uncertain of whether there may be time delays before post
to and from gardenbanter arrives at its destination.

It is much more straightforward to join uk.rec.gardening directly.
In short, you gain absolutely nothing whatsoever by participating via
gardenbanter and you may possibly lose something.

Franz

I operate the GardenBanter web site and I can answer the points that
you raised.

GardenBanter has never accepted any advertising and I have no plans to
do so. The site is non-commercial and will stay that way. I have
updated the privacy policy to state this more clearly.

With regard to moderation, I do the following:
Swear words are automatically replaced with **** (I know everyone still
knows what they are, but there are a few under 14's who are registered,
so I felt it prudent)
Spam is removed.
Offensive messages towards individuals are removed.
Completely OT messages are removed after 60 days (when the thread has
gone dead).
These are the only reasons that an incoming post would get deleted. I
do not moderate any outgoing posts.

The post timings are quite normal. I have tested across several news
providers and the time taken to populate three separate news servers
ranges from a few seconds to a few minutes at most.

GardenBanter is a different way to read the gardening newsgroups. I'm
not stating that it is better than a newsreader, but I do believe it
provides a useful service.

Kevin,

I accept your statement in its entirety. I accept that I was quite wrong
about the nature of your website and I apologise wholeheartedly.

Franz

"The Devil's Advocate" wrote in
message ...
Franz Heymann wrote:
: "dommy" wrote in message
: s.com...
:: Hello all,
::
:: I was wondering what other people are using to order seed online.
::
:: I am thinking of ordering from:
::
:: www.mr-fothergills.co.uk
::
:: They offer good value for money and dont charge any P&P for delivery.
::
:: Would like more opinions etc on what the rest of you guys use.
::
: The rest of us guys don't use an organisation like Gardenbanter, with
: an axe to grind, to participate in uk.rec.gardening. We joined this
: newsgroup directly in order to ensure unmoderated mail. There is a
: non zero probability that these remarks of mine will not appear in
: Gardenbanter.
:
: Franz

Even with bottom posting?!

As best I can judge, my message appeared exactly below the para to which it
refers. It is not my fault that that happens to be the bottom of the
conversation.

{:-(

Franz

Robert The Devil's Advocate www.pafc.co.uk

wrote in message
...
On Sun, 31 Aug 2003 18:21:57 GMT, dommy
wrote:

~Hello all,
~
~I was wondering what other people are using to order seed online.
~
~I am thinking of ordering from:
~
~www.mr-fothergills.co.uk
~
~They offer good value for money and dont charge any P&P for delivery.
~
~Would like more opinions etc on what the rest of you guys use.
~
~Cheers
~--
~dommy

My listing of suppliers online, with comments as I've currently got on
my website is:

http://www.mr-fothergills.co.uk/
An old seed firm, still available in garden centres but not too common
now. Large range of varieties.
http://www.unwins-seeds.co.uk/supplier_search.asp
Another long-established firm. No web ordering, but does give listings
of stockists. Cheap and cheerful. Does mail order and are very
friendly.
http://www.thompson-morgan.com/seeds/uk/index.html
First of the Big Two. Wider range, but more expensive, probably to
subsidise the greater stocks.
http://www.suttons-seeds.co.uk/index.html
The other one :-) Easiest to find in garden centres so don't bother
with mail order unless you want something really obscure.
http://www.dobies.co.uk
Part of Suttons - they definitely have identical catalogues for plug
plants.

Smaller and more specialist firms
http://www.dtbrownseeds.co.uk/
This firm sells virtually identical stock to Suttons at about 2/3 of
the price.
http://www.vidaverde.co.uk
Totally organic smallholders who grow heritage varieties and encourage
self-sufficiency. They do not grow anything that will not generally
come true to saved seed assuming no cross pollination! Priceless.
http://www.marshalls-seeds.co.uk/
Main suppliers for fruit trees, potatoes and other veg. for half the
allotmenteers on my site! They did do web ordering last year, but it´s
vanished again, sadly. May be on the way back as the website is
currently being redesigned.
http://www.users.dircon.co.uk/~nfarl...etty/etty.html
Heritage seeds. Some things you can´t get anywhere else.
http://www.seedsofitaly.sagenet.co.uk/default.htm
Franchi seeds, huge packets with even huger numbers of seeds in each.
Very good value and the seeds arrive promptly.
http://www.eaglenursery.co.uk/seed%20list.htm
Sweet peas. I´m not a competition grower, I just think they cheer up
the house. And they smell wonderful
http://www.lathyrus.com
Owl's Acre Sweet peas. Yet more Sweet Peas.
http://www.gardenerskitchen.co.uk/
This is the firm that grows all those strips of vegetables you buy in
garden centres after something´s eaten your own seedlings. They use
commercial varieties, but are happy to answer questions on where to
get seed!
Diane Sewell sweet peas: - if anyone finds she´s finally got a website
before I do, please let me know!

Out of 28 veg. seed varieties I bought this year, 3 were Unwins, 8
Suttons', 7 T&M, 7 DTBrown, 2 Marshall's, 1 Franchi. That's not
including the flowers, which usually come off an Amateur gardening
magazine and so are T&M.

Hope this helps a bit!

More than a bit. Thanks for such an excellent list.

Franz

"dommy" wrote in message
s.com...

[snip]

Im sorry, i serioulsy dont know what your problem is my friend but you
really do need to take a chill pill.

And by the way I did do my research by doing a "google" and I i would
have you know that the search results were limited. Therefore i posted
here to find out what others were using.

Dommy, my sincere apologies for crossing swords with you. I was under a
complete misapprehension about the nature of "GardenBanter".
What's wrong with me is that I have as bad a detestation of the advertising
world and the way they influence the world as it is possible to have without
actually bursting.
I have, I hope, made my peace with GardenBanter in another post.

Franz

"Franz Heymann" wrote in
:

That isn't guaranteed to anyone. Most usenet posters access via
commercial
ISPs, all of whom would happily make money out of usenet if they
could think how, and who will censor posts and posters that might
otherwise
prove
expensive to them.

I pay my ISP for the use of Usenet in exactly the same way as I pay it
for the use of email. That is how the ISP makes its money.

No, in most cases, that is only part of it. Most ISP's revenue has a
significant advertising-funded component, based on their own portal
websites, charging a premium for phone support and so on. You may not
be using those bits of the service, but your account may well be part-
subsidised by those that are.

That is certainly how the popular consumer ISPs like BTOpenworld operate
(and a lot of em don't make much of a profit even so).

Further, if your account threatens to cost your ISP money (because you
are posting things that cause it hassle) they will take it away.

But that's not my point. I'm not saying YOU should use garden banter.
My point is that if someone else wants to access urg through a web-based
portal, why shouldn't they? There is nothing morally wrong about
choosing to use an advertising supported system, or providing one as an
alternative.

Many people do use such systems, for usenet and lots of other things.
Google and Yahoo are both examples.

You cannot browse a web-based system offline (so far as I know!). But
if you have a broadband connection, as many users do, or even a flat fee
per month system, as I do, offline browsing may not be very important to
you.

Victoria
--
Clare Associates Ltd
http://www.clareassoc.co.uk/
01822 835802
--

On Mon, 1 Sep 2003 18:29:21 +0100, Kay Easton
wrote:

~In article , nmaps
~on.co.uk writes
~
~My listing of suppliers online, with comments as I've currently got on
~my website is:
~
~But you haven't got Chilterns!!!
~;-)

ooops!
http://www.edirectory.co.uk/chiltern...asp?companyid=

jane vanishes to edit website listings.. :-)

snip list


--
jane

Don't part with your illusions. When they are gone,
you may still exist but you have ceased to live.
Mark Twain

Please remove onmaps from replies, thanks!

Double ooops! Managed to lose the company id off the URL in the first
reply, so here it is again, corrected. Sorry, chaps... cut and paste
ability obviously needs a reboot today!
jane


On Mon, 1 Sep 2003 18:29:21 +0100, Kay Easton
wrote:

~In article , nmaps
~on.co.uk writes
~
~My listing of suppliers online, with comments as I've currently got on
~my website is:
~
~But you haven't got Chilterns!!!
~;-)

ooops!
http://www.edirectory.co.uk/chiltern...?companyid=211

jane vanishes to edit website listings.. :-)

snip list


--
jane

Don't part with your illusions. When they are gone,
you may still exist but you have ceased to live.
Mark Twain

Please remove onmaps from replies, thanks!

The message m
from Duncan contains these words:

I'm new to growing veg but I have just received an order from
http://www.nickys-nursery.co.uk/
They were very quick, I sent a cheque and received the order about 4
days later!
Each pack of seeds came with a plant label and they e-mailed me to ask
if I got the delivery ok which was a nice touch.

Having not grown the seeds I can't verify the quality but I went on
price and the fact that the web site was easy to deal with.
--
Duncan
------------------------------------------------------------------------
posted via www.GardenBanter.co.uk

I have grown Asparagus from seed purchased from them this year. Better
than 75% germ rate. They are in pots now having been potted on from the
cells i did them in. They look very strong with good root systems.
Variety is Connovers colossel. Looking forward to getting the 35 plants
down the allotment early april next year.

Bought mung beans at the same time for my wifes Brownie pack. No
problems in germ rates there either.

I`d use them again.

Also look for a website called seeds by size. They sell by weight rather
than just a packet and may be more economic if you are buying in any
quantity.



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