In article , David Rance david.ran
writes
It is the fact that, when replying with quoted text, most
programs place the cursor above the quoted text rather than below it.

You done a survey then?
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Jane Ransom in Lancaster.
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but if you need to email me for any other reason,
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In article , David Rance david.ran
writes

Hmm, that's interesting and I've no idea why that happens. It would
also explain why a number of people say they've never seen the abc.

If their newsreader is missing the abc, then it is also missing a
helluva lot more. The abc is posted once a week or so. If you keep your
posts for less than that then there will be a window when it won't
appear in the list. But you have to be a very intermittent poster to
miss it!!!!!!!
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but if you need to email me for any other reason,
put jandg dot demon dot co dot uk where you see deadspam.com

In article , Andy Spragg
writes

"If I can't see the start of a reply on the screen then I just ignore
the post and go on to the next one."

Absolutely what she said (having just enlarged his own screen a little
to make sure that the start of his reply was visible).

Hey, you missed the one where I said I also ignored *top* posted ones if
I didn't know what the poster was parping on about because I'd be blowed
if I was going to waste time scrolling down and then back up again. I
must ignore about equal numbers of each type of posting!!!!!!!!!

--
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I won't respond to private emails that are on topic for urg
but if you need to email me for any other reason,
put jandg dot demon dot co dot uk where you see deadspam.com

In message , David Rance
writes
On Sat, 13 Sep 2003, PA wrote:

The posts for the "abc for....." is not showing when I use outlook express.
If I do a "find" with abc as the subject it finds them, but they don't show
when I scroll thought the posts.
May be other people cant see them either.

Hmm, that's interesting and I've no idea why that happens. It would
also explain why a number of people say they've never seen the abc.

I wonder if we should go back to something different. After all, how
many people here list their messages in alphabetical order of subject?

I certainly don't have threads ordered alphabetically, (using Turnpike).

Perhaps people who have space in their sig could include a link to a
Meta-abc page which contains the content of the regularly posted abc
email. This would then contain the links to the Charter and Meta-FAQ
pages.

If most regular posters added the link to their sig then its visibility
would certainly be increased. The only downside I can think of is that
such people might be seen as more valid members of urg. In an attempt to
address this, perhaps a line in the Meta-abc could encourage newcomers
to add the link to their sig?

--
dave @ stejonda

In message , "dave @ stejonda"
writes
Perhaps people who have space in their sig could include a link to a
Meta-abc page which contains the content of the regularly posted abc
email

Sorry, shoddy thinking - the regularly posted abc is an article not an
email, (usually I'd let this go but in the context of this thread it
seems important to get the terminology correct).

--
dave @ stejonda

In article , Jane Ransom
writes
It is the fact that, when replying with quoted text, most
programs place the cursor above the quoted text rather than below it.

You done a survey then?

I think he means most installed s/w, and with that modification it's
probably true, due to the widespread penetration of MS s/w.
--
Stewart Robert Hinsley

Hmm, that's interesting and I've no idea why that happens. It would
also explain why a number of people say they've never seen the abc.

I wonder if we should go back to something different. After all, how
many people here list their messages in alphabetical order of subject?

I think I've found them, I've got an "abc" post for the 16/08/03 it show the
next posts as replies,
i.e 23/08 30/08 06/09 13/09,
May be that's why people can find them.

The message
from Kay Easton contains these words:

So it does seem something more might be needed - if only a pointer in a
sig to the FAQs and the abc.

But if I were to do that in my sig, would it be regarded as helpful? Or
would I get accusing me of thinking I own the group?

Worse, Kay; you'd be accused of unreasonably expecting new arrivals to
read several threads and other peoples' posts (to find your sig) before
they try posting themselves.


Janet.

The message
from "PA" contains these words:

The posts for the "abc for....." is not showing when I use outlook express.
If I do a "find" with abc as the subject it finds them, but they don't show
when I scroll thought the posts.
May be other people cant see them either.

I have them.

--
Frère Jaques
They knocked the Bell down and erected a charade of pops.

The message
from (Andy Spragg) contains these words:

/big snip/

There. If that's not sitting on the (garden) fence par excellence, I
don't know what is.

Mugwump! [67a]

--
Frère Jaques
They knocked the Bell down and erected a charade of pops.

[67a] Mug on one side and wump on t'other.

The message
from David Rance contains these words:
On Sat, 13 Sep 2003, Xebug wrote:

There *is* a logic to bottom posting, but the structure of usenet wasn't
designed to make bottom posting the elegant process it should have been.
Take a look at a good web-forum such as vbulletin, there you'll see how
bottom posting works well, it's integral to the structure of the forum, not
in the way people structure their replies.

Nothing to do with the structure of Usenet but rather the software that
we are using. It is the fact that, when replying with quoted text, most
programs place the cursor above the quoted text rather than below it.

Well of course. That allows you to progress down the post, snipping
and/or replying as you go.

--
Frère Jaques
They knocked the Bell down and erected a charade of pops.

The message
from David Rance contains these words:

I wonder if we should go back to something different. After all, how
many people here list their messages in alphabetical order of subject?

Mine start in date/time order, but remain in the same order as
originally received. (Unless I delete a whole thread, then the next one
in the thread appears at the bottom of the pile.)

--
Frère Jaques
They knocked the Bell down and erected a charade of pops.

The message
from Stewart Robert Hinsley contains these words:

I think he means most installed s/w, and with that modification it's
probably true, due to the widespread penetration of MS s/w.

thinks

I wonder what the 's' stands for in s/w?

/thinks

--
Frère Jaques
They knocked the Bell down and erected a charade of pops.

In article , Andy Spragg
writes
I have been having the argument with one
of my oldest friends (not a Usenet user) for a couple of years now,
because I've carried the practice of bottom-posting over into email
and he invariably cracks up about it.

I do that with email with internet friends. It's a lot less trouble when
you are having wide ranging conversations taking a dozen or more
screens. But when I forgot and used it to a work colleague, he commented
that the computer seemed to have scrambled the email ;-)
--
Kay Easton

Edward's earthworm page:
http://www.scarboro.demon.co.uk/edward/index.htm

In article , Andy Spragg
writes
I have been having the argument with one
of my oldest friends (not a Usenet user) for a couple of years now,
because I've carried the practice of bottom-posting over into email
and he invariably cracks up about it.

I do that with email with internet friends. It's a lot less trouble when
you are having wide ranging conversations taking a dozen or more
screens. But when I forgot and used it to a work colleague, he commented
that the computer seemed to have scrambled the email ;-)
--
Kay Easton

Edward's earthworm page:
http://www.scarboro.demon.co.uk/edward/index.htm