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Jaques d'Alltrades4/5/04 7:47
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Pigs are best. They'll remove *ALL* vegetable matter, including roots,
and they will till the ground and fertilise it.

If the foxes and badgers aren't careful, they'll have them too.

Any kind of pig? I rather like the idea of pigs more than goats. Any
groups/lists devoted to pigs?

People keep Vietnamese pot-bellied pigs as pets, but otherwise, yes, any
pig will do.

Remember though, that an engaging piglet will grow to an engaging
porker, and an engaging lumbering baconer and require the Maginot Line
to contain it.

You could ask about small varieties in uk.business.agriculture

Pigs are great for digging up land - what will the OP do with the pig once
the land has been dug over........?

That's where the "self sufficiency" bit comes in....grow yer own bacon!

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AnneJ

On Tue, 04 May 2004 23:21:04 +0100, Sacha
wrote:

Jaques d'Alltrades4/5/04 7:47
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co.uk

The message
from Gwenhyffar Milgi contains these words:

Pigs are best. They'll remove *ALL* vegetable matter, including roots,
and they will till the ground and fertilise it.

If the foxes and badgers aren't careful, they'll have them too.

Any kind of pig? I rather like the idea of pigs more than goats. Any
groups/lists devoted to pigs?

People keep Vietnamese pot-bellied pigs as pets, but otherwise, yes, any
pig will do.

Remember though, that an engaging piglet will grow to an engaging
porker, and an engaging lumbering baconer and require the Maginot Line
to contain it.

You could ask about small varieties in uk.business.agriculture

Pigs are great for digging up land - what will the OP do with the pig once
the land has been dug over........?

Eat it of course.


"My candle burns at both ends; it will not last the night
but ah my foes and oh my friends -- it gives a lovely light"

The message
from Gwenhyffar Milgi contains these words:

On Tue, 04 May 2004 23:21:04 +0100, Sacha
wrote:

Pigs are great for digging up land - what will the OP do with the pig once
the land has been dug over........?

Eat it of course.

In that case the OP won't want a Vietnamese potbellied one..they taste
like old tractor tyres, only less tender. These days, the location of a
convenient and amenable slaughterhouse should be investigated before
planning the porkfeast. (Only try DIY if you have a suitable outhouse in
which to do the bloodletting and other post-mortem work.)

Neighbours of ours borrowed a couple of pigs and electric fence from
one of those touchy-feely farm-experience places, for a couple of winter
months, which was all it took to clear the land they wanted. Saves a lot
of hassle but remember you will also ned to construct a pigshelter.

Janet

"Janet Baraclough.." wrote in
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Saves a lot
of hassle but remember you will also ned to construct a pigshelter.

I think I could just about manage that. ;-)

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ned

On Wed, 5 May 2004 15:49:54 +0100, Janet Baraclough..
wrote:

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from Gwenhyffar Milgi contains these words:

On Tue, 04 May 2004 23:21:04 +0100, Sacha
wrote:

Pigs are great for digging up land - what will the OP do with the pig once
the land has been dug over........?

Eat it of course.

In that case the OP won't want a Vietnamese potbellied one..they taste
like old tractor tyres, only less tender. These days, the location of a
convenient and amenable slaughterhouse should be investigated before
planning the porkfeast. (Only try DIY if you have a suitable outhouse in
which to do the bloodletting and other post-mortem work.)

Neighbours of ours borrowed a couple of pigs and electric fence from
one of those touchy-feely farm-experience places, for a couple of winter
months, which was all it took to clear the land they wanted. Saves a lot
of hassle but remember you will also ned to construct a pigshelter.

Ah, but we've got something that will be easily converted, as some
years ago a horse was kept on that piece of land.

And of course I could borrow pigs, but I kind of like the idea of
growing my own pork next to the veggies.


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"My candle burns at both ends; it will not last the night
but ah my foes and oh my friends -- it gives a lovely light"

The message
from Gwenhyffar Milgi contains these words:


Neighbours of ours borrowed a couple of pigs and electric fence from
one of those touchy-feely farm-experience places, for a couple of winter
months, which was all it took to clear the land they wanted. Saves a lot
of hassle but remember you will also ned to construct a pigshelter.

Ah, but we've got something that will be easily converted, as some
years ago a horse was kept on that piece of land.

And of course I could borrow pigs, but I kind of like the idea of
growing my own pork next to the veggies.

It's nice, so long as you don't harbour any illusions about "free
meat".The amount of sustenance on the land they are clearing won't last
long, and once it's gone you'll be looking at buying in feed.

Janet

On Wed, 5 May 2004 23:18:13 +0100, Janet Baraclough..
wrote:

The message
from Gwenhyffar Milgi contains these words:


Neighbours of ours borrowed a couple of pigs and electric fence from
one of those touchy-feely farm-experience places, for a couple of winter
months, which was all it took to clear the land they wanted. Saves a lot
of hassle but remember you will also ned to construct a pigshelter.

Ah, but we've got something that will be easily converted, as some
years ago a horse was kept on that piece of land.

And of course I could borrow pigs, but I kind of like the idea of
growing my own pork next to the veggies.

It's nice, so long as you don't harbour any illusions about "free
meat".The amount of sustenance on the land they are clearing won't last
long, and once it's gone you'll be looking at buying in feed.

Oh no, I realise that. But just like with the veggies, I like to know
where it's been before it gets on my plate.

For lack of a piggy group equivalent to the wonderful URG, I'm now
looking into doing a course on keeping pigs before I do anything about
it.

--
"My candle burns at both ends; it will not last the night
but ah my foes and oh my friends -- it gives a lovely light"

"dave manchester" wrote in message
om...
i am looking for a piece of land minimum size 1 acre with some form
of
building on it (condition of no concearn) we are a young family
hoping
to become eventually self sufficiant maybe a few animals, im sure
you
know the kind of thing! the property must however pe pre piped for
water and electricity will pay in the region of 20k for the right
piece in any part of the UK.

any help and advice would be greatfully received

Three years ago, we bought an acre with water laid on and an open
shed, a closed hay barn and three small 'stable type' buildings - with
definitely NO planning permission. Even though the hay barn had been
'lived in'.

I think you will find that interpretation of the planning laws varies
greatly up and down the country. Don't take anything for granted. But
if the plot has any chance of getting planning permission, then £20K
won't buy it.

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ned

dave manchester30/4/04 3:13

i am looking for a piece of land minimum size 1 acre with some form of
building on it (condition of no concearn) we are a young family hoping
to become eventually self sufficiant maybe a few animals, im sure you
know the kind of thing! the property must however pe pre piped for
water and electricity will pay in the region of 20k for the right
piece in any part of the UK.

any help and advice would be greatfully received

thank you
Dave



Just to clarify, Dave - do you hope to convert and live in any such
building? Or are you intending to use the land as a smallholding, the
building as an equipment store and live elsewhere?
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Sacha
(remove the weeds to email me)

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And of course I could borrow pigs, but I kind of like the idea of
growing my own pork next to the veggies.

If you're going to have them contained with veggies in sight, you'll
need an electric net. *DON'T* get prick-eared pigs, they'll just walk
straight through it. Lop-eared ones are less hardy like that.

It's nice, so long as you don't harbour any illusions about "free
meat".The amount of sustenance on the land they are clearing won't last
long, and once it's gone you'll be looking at buying in feed.

You can usually get plenty of vegetable matter from greengrocers. (But
mind the feral apostrophes)

I'm not sure how the new regulations affect home-raised pigs, but
feeding boiled-up swill is not permitted commercially.

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