Building permission seems to depend on one's occupation. Planning officers
can get permission for themselves with ease and for the most unlikely of
situations.
I was once granted conditional outline planning permission. It soon
transpired that the 'condition' was that I sold the land to one of their
officers! When I refused the permission was withdrawn without compensation
because the permission "Was only conditional"~~I got nowhere!!

Care to name the authority and the dates so you assertions can be checked?

On Sat, 01 May 2004 19:58:43 +0200, martin wrote:

On Sat, 1 May 2004 18:29:04 +0100, "Brian"
wrote:

Building permission seems to depend on one's occupation. Planning officers
can get permission for themselves with ease and for the most unlikely of
situations.
I was once granted conditional outline planning permission. It soon
transpired that the 'condition' was that I sold the land to one of their
officers! When I refused the permission was withdrawn without compensation
because the permission "Was only conditional"~~I got nowhere!!

Isn't this straight forward corruption? did you report him/her?

I have noticed some very odd planning decisions reported in the Whitby
Gazette.

In NL, because of the housing shortage, dwellings originally
designated as holiday only dwellings, to be used for a limited number
of months a year, have been redesignated as normal housing. I can
foresee the same happening in UK.

Can't wait!
I'm trying to sell a holiday flat with 11.5 month occupancy. Structurally it's fine
for year round occupancy. The reason the council won't agree to it is the former
freeholder, back in the 80's, filled the site up with DSS tenants. The problem these
days is it's hard to get a mortgage on 11.5 month occupancy and the value has risen
to the extent where a mortgage is prolly going to be necessary.

I'm not going to plug it on here (can't run fast enough, and besides I need this
group - LOL)
but if there are teachers and firefighters etc out there ....this email addy *does*
work:-)

Liz

Janet Baraclough.. wrote in
:

From
experience, more important services to consider are the proximity and
frequency of bus routes, and (for parents)the local council's
age-and-distance policy for rural school transport.


Local phone system. If you are at the end of 3 miles of copper with no
other houses about, it'll probably get hit by lightning from time to time,
and sometimes just won't work. OK if you have no urgent need to
communicate with the outside world, but a right bummer if you don't want to
live permanently in the 18th century.

Oh, and don't assume you can use a mobile phone either. Plenty of places
still with no signal.

Victoria
--
gardening on a north-facing hill
in South-East Cornwall
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Yes, they are fantastic at clearing overgrown areas. They are a lovely
pet, but you need to be around as they can get themselves in to trouble if
tethered, or will escape if loose. Climbing ability of my goats was
astonishing, able to balance on something about two inches across. Also
loved climbing onto and wrecking car bodywork, also eat washing and
contents
of ashtrays.


Hmmm, that might just be what we need. We have an area of land,
bordered by 10 ft stone walls, that desperately needs clearing out. It
has brambles, nettles and all sorts there and it's a jungle.

Any idea what kind of goat might be the best for this? We've got foxes
and badgers, I don't know if they would be a threat to them?

Pigs are best. They'll remove *ALL* vegetable matter, including roots,
and they will till the ground and fertilise it.

If the foxes and badgers aren't careful, they'll have them too.

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On 30 Apr 2004 12:05:03 -0700, (Mike Lyle)
wrote:


(I've found that goats are a bit chewy. And before that, they chew
things.)

Do they chew brambles and nettles?

Brambles, yes, and some goats will enjoy nettles - carefully! I had
fourteen goats at one time and out of those I'd say that four or five
liked nettles.

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I can't see what gave you that idea.

Mike.

I'm WRONG??????????????
Me?

I think it's all a cunning plan to put everyone off so he can corner the
market in goats.

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"Victoria Clare" wrote in message
.217...
Janet Baraclough.. wrote in
:

Local phone system. If you are at the end of 3 miles of copper with no
other houses about, it'll probably get hit by lightning from time to
time,
and sometimes just won't work. OK if you have no urgent need to
communicate with the outside world, but a right bummer if you don't want
to
live permanently in the 18th century.

Oh, and don't assume you can use a mobile phone either. Plenty of
places
still with no signal.

But isnt that really one of the joys of living here?

many people claim they are moving into the country to get away from the
rat race and then want to bring the rat race with them by immediately
moaning about services and communications ( and even broadband) .

I often switch my land line off to stop people calling. Like you, my
mobile doesnt work - I have to make a 20 min climb to the top of the hill
to get a signal - but who cares? Its great! And its healthy for you a good
walk.

I think it's all a cunning plan to put everyone off so he can corner the
market in goats.

--

Oh sorry I didn't realise that. Maybe we should start a Rio Tino Zinc 'leak'
and send the price of Goats up so he is unable to buy them?

How about a 'Medical Benefit to Cancer' story?

Mike

"dave manchester" wrote in message
m...
Sacha wrote in message
.uk...
dave manchester30/4/04 3:13

i am looking for a piece of land minimum size 1 acre with some form of
building on it (condition of no concearn) we are a young family hoping
to become eventually self sufficiant maybe a few animals, im sure you
know the kind of thing! the property must however pe pre piped for
water and electricity will pay in the region of 20k for the right
piece in any part of the UK.

any help and advice would be greatfully received

thank you
Dave



Just to clarify, Dave - do you hope to convert and live in any such
building? Or are you intending to use the land as a smallholding, the
building as an equipment store and live elsewhere?


Thank you all for your replies, they are very much appreciated and are
a great help. especially the one about the goat.
I have made another post yesterday which explains my position a little
clearer, if that would help.
in an ideal world yes it would be nice to get a field with an old
house to restore that wouldn't need the planning consent and the
ground to be perfect and we all live happily ever after. but I know
that is not possible.
we have seen some potential sites but as usual if you have 30k to
spend they want 50 and if you have 50 you need 70.
prices do seem to fluctuate dramatically depending on the use of the
land and the location in the UK. I know inner-city building plots are
worth more than working land, probably due to the fact that who ever
should buy it will make more money.
At this moment in time we are unsure as to what is really out there
and what can realistically be achieved that is why all help is
appreciated more than you all realise.
we would want to live on the land and I personally feel that it could
be achievable on our tiny budget its just a matter of stumbling upon
the right place or bumping into the right person. I know its a long
shot but to be honest I don't have many other options at the moment.
maybe we are dreaming, maybe this cant be done, I never expected it to
be easy and would be quite disappointed if it was (I like to try the
impossible).
I will now begin my daily routine of searching the net and looking at
the classifieds.
thanks for taking the time posting your comments please keep the
advice coming

Dave

Go abroad, I bet what you want can be purchased in Eastern Europe where many
people are keen to escape the back breaking toil of peasantry and woud be
very happy to sell to someone who wants to embrace such a lifestyle.

--
Tumbleweed

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from "Tumbleweed" contains these words:

Go abroad, I bet what you want can be purchased in Eastern Europe where many
people are keen to escape the back breaking toil of peasantry and woud be
very happy to sell to someone who wants to embrace such a lifestyle.

I can introduce you to an honest and reliable estate agent in Croatia....

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The message
from "Mike" contains these words:

I think it's all a cunning plan to put everyone off so he can corner the
market in goats.


Oh sorry I didn't realise that. Maybe we should start a Rio Tino Zinc 'leak'
and send the price of Goats up so he is unable to buy them?

High Mineral Yield In Goat Midden Sensation!

RTZ To Get Concession!

Consolidated Goats up by 256%

How about a 'Medical Benefit to Cancer' story?

Goats cause cancer? Shirley knot!

Consolidated Goats slump.

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"Mike" wrote in message ...

I think it's all a cunning plan to put everyone off so he can corner the
market in goats.

--

Oh sorry I didn't realise that. Maybe we should start a Rio Tino Zinc 'leak'
and send the price of Goats up so he is unable to buy them?

How about a 'Medical Benefit to Cancer' story?

Curses! Rumbled!

Mike.

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from "mich" contains these words:


"Victoria Clare" wrote in message
.217...

Local phone system. If you are at the end of 3 miles of copper with no
other houses about, it'll probably get hit by lightning from time to
time,

Teaches one the urgent desirability of disconnecting the computer at
the very *first* rumble of thunder..


and sometimes just won't work. OK if you have no urgent need to
communicate with the outside world, but a right bummer if you don't want
to
live permanently in the 18th century.

Oh, and don't assume you can use a mobile phone either. Plenty of
places
still with no signal.

But isnt that really one of the joys of living here?

many people claim they are moving into the country to get away from the
rat race and then want to bring the rat race with them by immediately
moaning about services and communications ( and even broadband).

I often switch my land line off to stop people calling. Like you, my
mobile doesnt work - I have to make a 20 min climb to the top of the hill
to get a signal - but who cares? Its great! And its healthy for you a good
walk.


Victoria said, "OK if you have no urgent need to communicate with the
outside world".

Speaking from experience, it isn't "great" if a teenager has just driven
straight into the phone pole outside your gate, wiped out your landline
and badly injured herself and there is no mobile signal for miles. Or
if the school can't get through to let you know your child has been
taken to hospital. Or if you use the phone for your livelihood/business
and the line is endlessly faulty, or off for days at a time.

If you lived in a really isolated place, btw, you would never switch
off your phone. An equally isolated neighbour a mile away might either
need urgent help, (fire, accident) or to pass on a warning of "trouble
heading your way".

Janet.

"Janet Baraclough.." wrote in
message ...
The message
from "mich" contains these words:


"Victoria Clare" wrote in message
.217...


Victoria said, "OK if you have no urgent need to communicate with the
outside world".

Speaking from experience, it isn't "great" if a teenager has just driven
straight into the phone pole outside your gate, wiped out your landline
and badly injured herself and there is no mobile signal for miles. Or
if the school can't get through to let you know your child has been
taken to hospital. Or if you use the phone for your livelihood/business
and the line is endlessly faulty, or off for days at a time.

If you have *that * urgent a need to communicate then you should not live
in an isolated place. There are many places you can live with all services
connected for most of the time.

If you lived in a really isolated place, btw, you would never switch
off your phone.

To quote Mr. Crossland " ********". I switch my phone off simply because I
want to maintain my isolation and unfortunately , too often the phone is
working when you dont want it to be.

An equally isolated neighbour a mile away might either
need urgent help, (fire, accident) or to pass on a warning of "trouble
heading your way".

Again ********. If you live the lifestyle , you take the chance. Its
part of life.
You know there was a time, not so long ago ( not the 18th century) when
most people didnt have phones. I can remember that time and I am not old. I
cant remember it ever being a problem then and it certainly aint now,
unless you make it one.

Now, I only have mains electricity here ( overhead) and it will go out
often. That can be a problem ( especially when some stupid teenager had
driven into the electric sub station and taken out all the electric cables
for miles around - and that has happened to me!).
However, if you live the lifestyle , you expect the cuts and you ahve the
equipment to deal with it.
Its called living.

Janet Baraclough..2/5/04 7:25
k

The message
from "mich" contains these words:


"Victoria Clare" wrote in message
.217...

Local phone system. If you are at the end of 3 miles of copper with no
other houses about, it'll probably get hit by lightning from time to
time,

Teaches one the urgent desirability of disconnecting the computer at
the very *first* rumble of thunder..


and sometimes just won't work. OK if you have no urgent need to
communicate with the outside world, but a right bummer if you don't want
to
live permanently in the 18th century.

Oh, and don't assume you can use a mobile phone either. Plenty of
places
still with no signal.

But isnt that really one of the joys of living here?

many people claim they are moving into the country to get away from the
rat race and then want to bring the rat race with them by immediately
moaning about services and communications ( and even broadband).

I often switch my land line off to stop people calling. Like you, my
mobile doesnt work - I have to make a 20 min climb to the top of the hill
to get a signal - but who cares? Its great! And its healthy for you a good
walk.


Victoria said, "OK if you have no urgent need to communicate with the
outside world".

Speaking from experience, it isn't "great" if a teenager has just driven
straight into the phone pole outside your gate, wiped out your landline
and badly injured herself and there is no mobile signal for miles. Or
if the school can't get through to let you know your child has been
taken to hospital. Or if you use the phone for your livelihood/business
and the line is endlessly faulty, or off for days at a time.

If you lived in a really isolated place, btw, you would never switch
off your phone. An equally isolated neighbour a mile away might either
need urgent help, (fire, accident) or to pass on a warning of "trouble
heading your way".


I agree with you. But Mich said the "who cares" stuff, not Victoria. I
think. I am having the same problem when trying to snip correctly. I would
have though the colour of the header name would follow the quoted text but
it seems not to be the case. If I'm wrong I'll plead a 'sorry' in advance!

--

Sacha
(remove the weeds to email me)