I have a small pond in my garden inhabited these last 5 years by 5
goldfish.While feeding them today a stranger came to the surface to feed !.
It was a black fish about 2 inches long, fast moving and surface feeding,
how it got there I do not know !.
Can anyone identify it for me please?, maybe I can buy it some friends of
its own species !

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Goldfish (Carassius auratus auratus) are not Crucian carp (Carassius
carassius) although they can interbreed.What you are probably thinking
of are Gibel carp (Carassius auratus gibelio)which are a subspecies of
goldfish. Incidently the often illegal introduction of goldfish into
lakes and rivers is threatening the viability of crucian carp (our only
indigenous species of carp) as a species because of the fact that they
can hybridise.

Please, enough of these posts full of made-up words!

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dave @ stejonda

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...not a lot of sense.


I have a pond with goldfish and they spawn every year, the pond is then
very well populated with tiny fish, perhaps several hundred. They never
become adult fish, the bigger fish eat them and frogs eat them, they get
sucked into the pump and generally perish in many ways. Some years I
have two survivors and other years none. One year I had six black fish
about an inch long in the spring, as far as I know only one lived.
There is no reason whatsoever to suppose that the OPs pond would be full
of small fish, black or otherwise.
As for the bigger fish's appetite, I took some spawn out of the pond and
raised the fry in a tank, I had one particularly nice fish with a very
long tail. When it was about an inch or so long I decided to return it
to the pond, it was eaten within a couple of minutes. They will eat
almost anything they can get in their mouths including their own eggs
and fry.

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In message , suspicious minds
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Goldfish (Carassius auratus auratus) are not Crucian carp (Carassius
carassius) although they can interbreed.What you are probably thinking
of are Gibel carp (Carassius auratus gibelio)which are a subspecies of
goldfish. Incidently the often illegal introduction of goldfish into
lakes and rivers is threatening the viability of crucian carp (our only
indigenous species of carp) as a species because of the fact that they
can hybridise.

Please, enough of these posts full of made-up words!

Crass gibelish is excruciating , but this is urg after all. Stop carping.

Janet.

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..not a lot of sense.


I have a pond with goldfish and they spawn every year, the pond is then
very well populated with tiny fish, perhaps several hundred. They never
become adult fish, the bigger fish eat them and frogs eat them, they get
sucked into the pump and generally perish in many ways. Some years I
have two survivors and other years none. One year I had six black fish
about an inch long in the spring, as far as I know only one lived.
There is no reason whatsoever to suppose that the OPs pond would be full
of small fish, black or otherwise.
As for the bigger fish's appetite, I took some spawn out of the pond and
raised the fry in a tank, I had one particularly nice fish with a very
long tail. When it was about an inch or so long I decided to return it
to the pond, it was eaten within a couple of minutes. They will eat
almost anything they can get in their mouths including their own eggs
and fry.

In the two years I lived at my house the pond population has gone from five
to ten (one death and six births). Haven't spotted any new fish this year
but then again trying to see something that is black/brown and small, in a
pond is always tricky.

p.s. When do goldfish spawn and how long does it take for a goldfish to
'mature'?

"Dermuid" wrote in message
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Please don't feed the trolls ...

"pb" wrote in message
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: ..not a lot of sense.

Really,

:
:
: I have a pond with goldfish and they spawn every year, the pond is then
: very well populated with tiny fish, perhaps several hundred. They never
: become adult fish, the bigger fish eat them and frogs eat them, they get
: sucked into the pump and generally perish in many ways. Some years I
: have two survivors and other years none. One year I had six black fish
: about an inch long in the spring, as far as I know only one lived.
: There is no reason whatsoever to suppose that the OPs pond would be full
: of small fish, black or otherwise.

Dont misquote me, I did not assume that, I stated a fact in reply to a
poster who was "ASSUMING they bred".


: As for the bigger fish's appetite, I took some spawn out of the pond and
: raised the fry in a tank, I had one particularly nice fish with a very
: long tail. When it was about an inch or so long I decided to return it
: to the pond, it was eaten within a couple of minutes. They will eat
: almost anything they can get in their mouths including their own eggs
: and fry.

If you had any idea then you would have sectioned an area of the pond off
with fine mesh, or introduce some plants to provide some cover, its as
simple as that to allow some fry to survive, then growing fish to 1" long in
a tank, you have not go a clue, have you.

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"pb" wrote in message
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: In article ,
: says...
:
: There is no reason whatsoever to suppose that the OPs pond would be full
: of small fish, black or otherwise.

Dont misquote me, I did not assume that, I stated a fact in reply to a
poster who was "ASSUMING they bred".



If you had any idea then you would have sectioned an area of the pond off
with fine mesh, or introduce some plants to provide some cover, its as
simple as that to allow some fry to survive, then growing fish to 1" long in
a tank, you have not go a clue, have you.





I have managed to keep my fish alive and presumably happy for at least
fifteen years. The only time I netted off part of the pond I found the
net was an excellent trap for frogs. Introduce some plants you say. Do
you imagine I have my fish in a swimming pool or something, or do you
want to tell me which end to suck eggs too.
Kindly assume that I do have more than a vague idea of keeping fish.

"pb" wrote in message
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"pb" wrote in message
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: In article ,

: says...
:
: There is no reason whatsoever to suppose that the OPs pond would be
full
: of small fish, black or otherwise.

Dont misquote me, I did not assume that, I stated a fact in reply to a
poster who was "ASSUMING they bred".



If you had any idea then you would have sectioned an area of the pond
off
with fine mesh, or introduce some plants to provide some cover, its as
simple as that to allow some fry to survive, then growing fish to 1"
long in
a tank, you have not go a clue, have you.





I have managed to keep my fish alive and presumably happy for at least
fifteen years. The only time I netted off part of the pond I found the
net was an excellent trap for frogs. Introduce some plants you say. Do
you imagine I have my fish in a swimming pool or something, or do you
want to tell me which end to suck eggs too.
Kindly assume that I do have more than a vague idea of keeping fish.


This guy is just trolling. Ignore his posts.

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Kindly assume that I do have more than a vague idea of keeping fish.


Relax, it isn't worth getting steamed up about. It should be obvious from
your opponent's remarks about nets and tanks that he realises full well what
might have happened to the siblings of the 'mystery fish', in the absence of
such precautions. So, in a way, he is making your point (that there being
only one known survivor doesn't necessarily imply it wasn't bred there) for
you.

"pb" wrote in message
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: "pb" wrote in message
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: : In article ,

: : says...
: :
: : There is no reason whatsoever to suppose that the OPs pond would be
full
: : of small fish, black or otherwise.
:
: Dont misquote me, I did not assume that, I stated a fact in reply to a
: poster who was "ASSUMING they bred".
:
:
:
: If you had any idea then you would have sectioned an area of the pond
off
: with fine mesh, or introduce some plants to provide some cover, its as
: simple as that to allow some fry to survive, then growing fish to 1"
long in
: a tank, you have not go a clue, have you.
:
:
:
:
:
: I have managed to keep my fish alive and presumably happy for at least
: fifteen years. The only time I netted off part of the pond I found the
: net was an excellent trap for frogs. Introduce some plants you say. Do
: you imagine I have my fish in a swimming pool or something, or do you
: want to tell me which end to suck eggs too.

Look you have already admitted in here that you do not have a clue, and I
was not referring to this type of netting nor did I think your pond was
bare, having the right type of plant would help.

: Kindly assume that I do have more than a vague idea of keeping fish.
:

There is no assumption about it.

"Jabba" wrote in message
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: "pb" wrote in message
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: "pb" wrote in message
: .com...
: : In article ,
:
: : says...
: :
: : There is no reason whatsoever to suppose that the OPs pond would be
: full
: : of small fish, black or otherwise.
:
: Dont misquote me, I did not assume that, I stated a fact in reply to a
: poster who was "ASSUMING they bred".
:
:
:
: If you had any idea then you would have sectioned an area of the pond
: off
: with fine mesh, or introduce some plants to provide some cover, its as
: simple as that to allow some fry to survive, then growing fish to 1"
: long in
: a tank, you have not go a clue, have you.
:
:
:
:
:
: I have managed to keep my fish alive and presumably happy for at least
: fifteen years. The only time I netted off part of the pond I found the
: net was an excellent trap for frogs. Introduce some plants you say. Do
: you imagine I have my fish in a swimming pool or something, or do you
: want to tell me which end to suck eggs too.
: Kindly assume that I do have more than a vague idea of keeping fish.
:
:
: This guy is just trolling. Ignore his posts.
:
:

And what do you know about the subject jabba?

"Dermuid" wrote in message
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"mich" wrote in message
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: In message , Ged
: writes
: I have a small pond in my garden inhabited these last 5 years by 5
: goldfish.While feeding them today a stranger came to the surface to
feed
: !.
: It was a black fish about 2 inches long, fast moving and surface
feeding,
: how it got there I do not know !.
: Can anyone identify it for me please?, maybe I can buy it some
friends
of
: its own species !
:
: You need to congratulate the proud parents of this young fish. Throw
them
: some extra fish food.
:
:
Nonsense, if they did breed there would be more than one fish extra, the
pond would be full of fry.

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Waal! - I dunno!. my small pond has seven goldfish and they are about six
or seven inches long. Been there about ten years and shared the pond with
toad and frog taddies every spring.
Just now only two are sunning themselves between the leaves of the two
masses of water-lilies.
This year, no spawn and no taddies!. not even one. I am putting that down
to wastage over the years due to succeeding years of being blackbird fodder,
they are very vulnerable when they all grow legs and then suddenly, within
one day, all desert the pond and can sometimes be seen hopping about in the
flower beds and lawns , (including the neighbours).
I have concluded that they have been scoffed and so cannot return the next
year to spawn.
The goldfish used to have breeding frenzies and I often saw plenty of eggs,
but through the years I have not seen a young fry at all. I put it down to
the parents using the fry for their pudding course. I have fed the six
regularly with fish pellets but have never seen them devouring any. They
graze the green stuff just under the water's edge. Vegetarians?, I ask
myself.
The pond is a static living entity with two lilies and some aerating plants.
It even has small leeches in it. I netted out the bottom slurry a month ago
and pumped out water at one end whilst a hose from the tap at the other end
kept the depth steady and clear the water a bit.. I would have thought that
if any were dead I would have netted them up, but I saw nothing like a
six-inch golden fish except for two which came up in the net.
All I can do is wait and see, I suppose.
Doug.

"mich" wrote in message
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: In message , Ged
: writes
: I have a small pond in my garden inhabited these last 5 years by 5
: goldfish.While feeding them today a stranger came to the surface to
feed
: !.
: It was a black fish about 2 inches long, fast moving and surface
feeding,
: how it got there I do not know !.
: Can anyone identify it for me please?, maybe I can buy it some friends
of
: its own species !
:
: You need to congratulate the proud parents of this young fish. Throw them
: some extra fish food.
:
:
Nonsense, if they did breed there would be more than one fish extra, the
pond would be full of fry.

In article , Dermuid
writes

"mich" wrote in message
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:
: In message , Ged
: writes
: I have a small pond in my garden inhabited these last 5 years by 5
: goldfish.While feeding them today a stranger came to the surface to
feed
: !.
: It was a black fish about 2 inches long, fast moving and surface
feeding,
: how it got there I do not know !.
: Can anyone identify it for me please?, maybe I can buy it some friends
of
: its own species !
:
: You need to congratulate the proud parents of this young fish. Throw them
: some extra fish food.
:
:
Nonsense, if they did breed there would be more than one fish extra, the
pond would be full of fry.

Not necessarily. Depends what else is in the pond, doesn't it?


--
Kay
"Do not insult the crocodile until you have crossed the river"