As I negotiated the north circular this morning a voice on the
radio was saying something about outbreaks of salmonella being
caused by lettuce contaminated by manure.
Are there implications here for the home producer? I would have
thought salmonella would be most likely found in raw chicken
manure, what about horse manure, can we assume herbivores are
safe?
--
Mike Reid
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On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 08:07:10 +0100, The Reids
wrote:

| As I negotiated the north circular this morning a voice on the
| radio was saying something about outbreaks of salmonella being
| caused by lettuce contaminated by manure.
| Are there implications here for the home producer? I would have
| thought salmonella would be most likely found in raw chicken
| manure, what about horse manure, can we assume herbivores are
| safe?

Strictly *nothing* is *absolutely* safe, be it getting up in the morning or
staying in bed. Herbivores also have various nasties in their guts.
All soil contains various nasties.

The problem here was IMO almost certainly caused by a problem in *one*
field, and the salmonella was transported all over Europe in lorries.
This has happened before.

The general advice about salads has always been to wash them before eating.

Home growers should IMO continue as normal, the worst thing that can happen
is that you can give your family the runs, and the EHOs will never notice
that.

--
Dave F

"The Reids" wrote in message
...
As I negotiated the north circular this morning a voice on the
radio was saying something about outbreaks of salmonella being
caused by lettuce contaminated by manure.
Are there implications here for the home producer?

Of course. So much for organic gardening.

Franz Heymann

I don't think that there has ever been a problem of this sort from British
grown lettuce.
It seems as if this was all from lettuce used by one chain of Burger outlet
(MMakes you think).
I should think that the results of the salmonella would remove any beef from
the system that could cause mad cow disease.

--
David Hill
Abacus nurseries
www.abacus-nurseries.co.uk

Franz Heymann wrote:


"The Reids" wrote in message
...
As I negotiated the north circular this morning a voice on the
radio was saying something about outbreaks of salmonella being
caused by lettuce contaminated by manure.
Are there implications here for the home producer?

Of course. So much for organic gardening.

Franz Heymann


Organic gardening is proved as worthless because someone didn't wash the
shit of some lettuce? Or have I misunderstood your point?

--
"The illegal we do immediately. The unconstitutional takes a bit
longer."
-- Henry Kissinger

On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 08:06:41 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann"
wrote:


"The Reids" wrote in message
.. .
As I negotiated the north circular this morning a voice on the
radio was saying something about outbreaks of salmonella being
caused by lettuce contaminated by manure.
Are there implications here for the home producer?

Of course. So much for organic gardening.


This is precisely the sort of apathetic, generalised hogwash that the
biochemical industry wants everyone to believe - you're not safe
unless you've sprayed, dusted and treated anything and everything that
moves..and plenty more that doesn't.

The fact of the matter is that unless you grow your produce in a
sterile environment you're at risk from any number of diseases,
salmonella being just one of them - and given the number of possible
vectors of this particular disease it's not enough to assume that
simply using biochemicals is enough to prevent contamination.

In any event, I saw no mention that the lettuces were organically
grown. The presence of horse manure isn't a sufficient basis upon
which to draw that conclusion - and considering the destination of the
lettuces I think it highly unlikely that they were.

Regards,



--
Stephen Howard - Woodwind repairs & period restorations
www.shwoodwind.co.uk
Emails to: showard{whoisat}shwoodwind{dot}co{dot}uk

Following up to Stephen Howard

In any event, I saw no mention that the lettuces were organically
grown. The presence of horse manure isn't a sufficient basis upon
which to draw that conclusion - and considering the destination of the
lettuces I think it highly unlikely that they were.

only "manure" was mentioned, I assumed chicken?
--
Mike Reid
Wasdale-Lake district-Thames path-London "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" -- you can email us@ this site
Eat-walk-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" -- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap

On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 13:36:36 +0100, The Reids
wrote:


| only "manure" was mentioned,

Our manure comes out of the compost heap, but I still would not like to eat
it with lettuce.

--
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numbers, but talk to only one. Register your: real name, tel number,
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On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 13:36:36 +0100, The Reids
wrote:

Following up to Stephen Howard

In any event, I saw no mention that the lettuces were organically
grown. The presence of horse manure isn't a sufficient basis upon
which to draw that conclusion - and considering the destination of the
lettuces I think it highly unlikely that they were.

only "manure" was mentioned, I assumed chicken?

I assumed chicken manure, if used, would have been in pelleted and
sterilized form?
In any event, you can lose the 'horse' - makes no odds.

Regards,



--
Stephen Howard - Woodwind repairs & period restorations
www.shwoodwind.co.uk
Emails to: showard{whoisat}shwoodwind{dot}co{dot}uk

Stephen Howard wrote:

On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 13:36:36 +0100, The Reids
wrote:

Following up to Stephen Howard

In any event, I saw no mention that the lettuces were organically
grown. The presence of horse manure isn't a sufficient basis upon
which to draw that conclusion - and considering the destination of the
lettuces I think it highly unlikely that they were.

only "manure" was mentioned, I assumed chicken?

I assumed chicken manure, if used, would have been in pelleted and
sterilized form?
In any event, you can lose the 'horse' - makes no odds.

It's worth investigating previous outbreaks associated with salad crops;
apparently the contamination sometimes comes from the irrigation water
or even the washing water, not manure applied directly to the crop or
the soil before the crop is planted.

regards
sarah


--
Think of it as evolution in action.

"Stephen Howard" wrote in message
...

[snip]

In any event, I saw no mention that the lettuces were organically
grown.

Might they have fallen from heaven like manna?

{:-))

[snip]

Franz

On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 18:44:59 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann"
wrote:


"Stephen Howard" wrote in message
.. .

[snip]

In any event, I saw no mention that the lettuces were organically
grown.

Might they have fallen from heaven like manna?

Tripping up over definitions again eh? Oh dear.
Presumably there's much angst in your household when you're set to set
out to set your set of sets out, assuming the weather's set fair and
you can remember where you set them down.

Regards,



--
Stephen Howard - Woodwind repairs & period restorations
http://www.shwoodwind.co.uk
Emails to: showard{who is at}shwoodwind{dot}co{dot}uk

Franz Heymann wrote:

"The Reids" wrote in message
...
As I negotiated the north circular this morning a voice on the
radio was saying something about outbreaks of salmonella being
caused by lettuce contaminated by manure.
Are there implications here for the home producer?

Of course. So much for organic gardening.

If you forgot the sarcasm, I apologise for the following:

Fool.

Manure is used by both organic and conventional systems. Salmonella is
present in most faeces, including those of wild birds. Which droppeth as
the gentle rain from heaven on organic and conventional produce alike.

regards
sarah


--
Think of it as evolution in action.

Following up to sarah

including those of wild birds. Which droppeth as
the gentle rain from heaven on organic and conventional produce alike.

luckily unlike horse manure. Pegasus aside.
--
Mike Reid
Wasdale-Lake district-Thames path-London "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" -- you can email us@ this site
Eat-walk-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" -- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap

On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 13:10:31 +0100, sarah wrote:

... including those of wild birds. Which droppeth as
the gentle rain from heaven ...

Reminds me of "The Birds" scene in High Anxiety.

--
Tim C.