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On 11/11/04 3:25 AM, in article
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Heymann" wrote:


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On 11/10/04 9:34 AM, in article ,
"Franz
Heymann" wrote:


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While they don't strictly speaking have gizzards, they do
need
some sort
of
gritty substance to help break up the food they ingest. I
use
calcified
seaweed.

Read this then

"In most of the species, the oesophagus is enlarged into a
crop
in front
of the gizzard. This latter organ is lined with a smooth
thick
chitinous
membrane, and is surrounded by weak longitudinal, but
powerful
transverse
muscles. Perrier saw these muscles in energetic action; and,
as
he
remarks, the trituration of the food must be chiefly effected
by
this
organ, for worms possess no jaws or teeth of any kind. Grains
of
sand and
small stones, from the 1/20 to a little more than the 1/10
inch
in
diameter, may generally be found in their gizzards and
intestines. As it
is certain that worms swallow many little stones,
independently
of those
swallowed while excavating their burrows, it is probable that
they serve,
like mill-stones, to triturate their food. The gizzard opens
into
the
intestine, which runs in a straight course to the vent at the
posterior
end of the body."

THE FORMATION OF VEGETABLE MOULD
THROUGH THE ACTION OF WORMS
WITH OBSERVATIONS ON THEIR HABITS.
by Charles Darwin


[FIRST EDITION, October 10th, 1881.]

CHAPTER I--HABITS OF WORMS.
http://www.webmesh.co.uk/darwinworms1.htm



I hadn't realised the organs were called gizzards. Still, my
point
about
their digestion still stands.

Granted, although with due respect I don't think that Franz
has
read many
essays on worms.

I have read exactly none on worms qua worms. I have, however,
read a
substantial number of essays on the making of worm compost. The
descriptions of the standard worm-composting process do not
mention
the necessity of introducing fine sand particles into the
wormery.

On another point, worms breed, so as long as conditions are
suitable
and
within reason, the worms will multiply according to how much
food
is
available (as long as they are not overwhelmed)

My worms have multiplied beyond all recognition. (Without the
use
of
sand to stay alive). Nevertheless, they are demolishing my
kitchen
waste at a miserably small rate. They would really have to
increase
their appetites tenfold if they are to have any hope of consming
the
waste as fast as I feed it to them.

Does any other urgler have any experience of an indoor wormery?

Franz


An indoor wormery? I have thought of doing that but not sure what
would be
required. Tell us Franz how you do it.

Have a good read at the following article for a description of the
principles.

http://www.troubleatmill.com/wormbin.htm

That will be a starting point for
this discussion. What kind of container(s) do you use? Etc. I can
picture
dirt getting on the floor...worms also...

No dirt and no worms have landed on the floor yet.

Do you keep the wormery in the
cellar? Or where?

In the garage.

Temperature would be important I would think.

Yes.

What
temperature is your wormery?

Never colder than about 8 deg C in winter. (My central heating
boiler
is in the garage as well.). Never warmer than about 25 deg C in
the
summer

Franz


Hi Franz
The site you mentioned
above....http://www.troubleatmill.com/wormbin.htm
I checked it out. Is that the system you use or have you modified
the system
in any way? Just tell me what you do, maybe I can help out...

It is similar, but uses different stacked containers. Mine are round
and the holes were moulded in by the manufacturer. I don't thinbk the
worms have sufficient intelligence to know whether they are inhabiting
a rectangular or a round container.

Franz

The message
from Janet Baraclough.. contains
these words:

Thus it is, that all Franz's posts are now fed direct to worms and turn
into compost, saving me from going blind and mad trying to disentangle
them. (The posts, not the worms). Try it, and your own confusion will
melt away like snow off a dike.

Do dikes stand still long enough to get a covering of snow?

--
Rusty
Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar.
http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/

In article ,
Jaques d'Alltrades wrote:
The message
from Janet Baraclough.. contains
these words:

Thus it is, that all Franz's posts are now fed direct to worms and turn
into compost, saving me from going blind and mad trying to disentangle
them. (The posts, not the worms). Try it, and your own confusion will
melt away like snow off a dike.

Do dikes stand still long enough to get a covering of snow?

It depends on how grim they are.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

Jaques d'Alltrades wrote:
The message
from Janet Baraclough..
contains
these words:

Thus it is, that all Franz's posts are now fed direct to worms
and
turn into compost, saving me from going blind and mad trying to
disentangle them. (The posts, not the worms). Try it, and your own
confusion will melt away like snow off a dike.

Do dikes stand still long enough to get a covering of snow?

Ask the little Dutch boy.

Mike.

The message
from (Nick Maclaren) contains these words:
In article ,
Jaques d'Alltrades wrote:
The message
from Janet Baraclough.. contains
these words:

Thus it is, that all Franz's posts are now fed direct to worms and turn
into compost, saving me from going blind and mad trying to disentangle
them. (The posts, not the worms). Try it, and your own confusion will
melt away like snow off a dike.

Do dikes stand still long enough to get a covering of snow?

It depends on how grim they are.

I understand they breakfast on broken glass and wear barbed wire next to
the skin, Sir. Your aunt is waiting for you in the library.

--
Rusty
Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar.
http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/

On 11/11/04 11:19 PM, in article ,
"Franz Heymann" wrote:


"Gary Davis" wrote in message
...
On 11/11/04 3:25 AM, in article
, "Franz
Heymann" wrote:


"Gary" wrote in message
...
On 11/10/04 9:34 AM, in article ,
"Franz
Heymann" wrote:


"suspicious minds" wrote in message
news
"bigboard" wrote in message
...
suspicious minds wrote:


"bigboard" wrote in message

While they don't strictly speaking have gizzards, they do
need
some sort
of
gritty substance to help break up the food they ingest. I
use
calcified
seaweed.

Read this then

"In most of the species, the oesophagus is enlarged into a
crop
in front
of the gizzard. This latter organ is lined with a smooth
thick
chitinous
membrane, and is surrounded by weak longitudinal, but
powerful
transverse
muscles. Perrier saw these muscles in energetic action; and,
as
he
remarks, the trituration of the food must be chiefly effected
by
this
organ, for worms possess no jaws or teeth of any kind. Grains
of
sand and
small stones, from the 1/20 to a little more than the 1/10
inch
in
diameter, may generally be found in their gizzards and
intestines. As it
is certain that worms swallow many little stones,
independently
of those
swallowed while excavating their burrows, it is probable that
they serve,
like mill-stones, to triturate their food. The gizzard opens
into
the
intestine, which runs in a straight course to the vent at the
posterior
end of the body."

THE FORMATION OF VEGETABLE MOULD
THROUGH THE ACTION OF WORMS
WITH OBSERVATIONS ON THEIR HABITS.
by Charles Darwin


[FIRST EDITION, October 10th, 1881.]

CHAPTER I--HABITS OF WORMS.
http://www.webmesh.co.uk/darwinworms1.htm



I hadn't realised the organs were called gizzards. Still, my
point
about
their digestion still stands.

Granted, although with due respect I don't think that Franz
has
read many
essays on worms.

I have read exactly none on worms qua worms. I have, however,
read a
substantial number of essays on the making of worm compost. The
descriptions of the standard worm-composting process do not
mention
the necessity of introducing fine sand particles into the
wormery.

On another point, worms breed, so as long as conditions are
suitable
and
within reason, the worms will multiply according to how much
food
is
available (as long as they are not overwhelmed)

My worms have multiplied beyond all recognition. (Without the
use
of
sand to stay alive). Nevertheless, they are demolishing my
kitchen
waste at a miserably small rate. They would really have to
increase
their appetites tenfold if they are to have any hope of consming
the
waste as fast as I feed it to them.

Does any other urgler have any experience of an indoor wormery?

Franz


An indoor wormery? I have thought of doing that but not sure what
would be
required. Tell us Franz how you do it.

Have a good read at the following article for a description of the
principles.

http://www.troubleatmill.com/wormbin.htm

That will be a starting point for
this discussion. What kind of container(s) do you use? Etc. I can
picture
dirt getting on the floor...worms also...

No dirt and no worms have landed on the floor yet.

Do you keep the wormery in the
cellar? Or where?

In the garage.

Temperature would be important I would think.

Yes.

What
temperature is your wormery?

Never colder than about 8 deg C in winter. (My central heating
boiler
is in the garage as well.). Never warmer than about 25 deg C in
the
summer

Franz


Hi Franz
The site you mentioned
above....http://www.troubleatmill.com/wormbin.htm
I checked it out. Is that the system you use or have you modified
the system
in any way? Just tell me what you do, maybe I can help out...

It is similar, but uses different stacked containers. Mine are round
and the holes were moulded in by the manufacturer. I don't thinbk the
worms have sufficient intelligence to know whether they are inhabiting
a rectangular or a round container.

Franz


Yes Franz....good point Franz...I don't really believe that there is anyone
who can help you with your problem. I'm so sorry that I was unable to help
but I will keep tabs on your problem. Take care.
D