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Tsunami preparedness in the UK ?
What are the views of those on uk.rec.gardening if it happens, and who will
it effect? I am about 50 metres inland from the Cliff Walk between Sandown and Shanklin on the Isle of Wight and about 50 metres above sea level. But the Island could very well become 3 Islands again. Mike, on the Isle(s) of Wight? -- H.M.S.Collingwood Ass. Llandudno 20 - 23 May Trip to Portmeirion National Service (RAF) Ass. Cosford 24 - 27 June Lanc Bomber Fly Past H.M.S.Impregnable Ass. Sussex 1 - 3 July Visit to Int. Fest of the Sea British Pacific Fleet. Derby 2 - 5 Sept. Visit to Denby Pottery "Paul Nutteing" wrote in message news:984eea129a9b68ab29a6084d6d0b3635.111419@mygat e.mailgate.org... I cannot find reference to a warning procedure for the UK concerning following or similar event http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/st...279710,00.html Tuesday August 10, 2004 ... Bill McGuire, the director of the Benfield Grieg Hazard Research Centre at University College London, said a huge chunk of rock, roughly the size of the Isle of Man, was on the brink of breaking off the volcanic island of La Palma in the Canaries. When - Professor McGuire says it is not a matter of if - the rock plunges into the ocean it will trigger giant waves called mega-tsunamis. Travelling at speeds of up to 560mph, the huge walls of water will tear across the ocean and hit islands and continents, leaving a trail of destruction. Mega-tsunami waves are much longer than the ones we are used to. "When one of these comes in, it keeps on coming for 10 to 15 minutes," Prof McGuire said. "It's like a huge wall of water that just keeps coming." Computer models of the island's collapse show the first regions to be hit, with waves topping 100 metres (330ft), will be the neighbouring Canary Islands. Within a few hours the west coast of Africa will be battered with similar-sized waves. Between nine and 12 hours after the island collapses, waves between 20 and 50 metres high will have crossed 4,000 miles of ocean to crash into the Caribbean islands and the eastern seaboard of the US and Canada. The worst-hit will be harbours and estuaries, which will channel the waves inland. The loss of life and destruction to property will probably be immense, according to Prof McGuire. Britain would not escape entirely, he added. Waves of around 10 metres are likely to strike the south coast four to five hours after the island collapses, causing damage to seaside resorts and ports. ... I am a "flood warden" for our area - grandiose term for just being at the receiving end of computer generated Environment Agency message to pass on tho others in the locale. Only in theory as phone link was checked when I voluntered about 4 years ago and I could easily have changed address or phone number since. And no mention on the EA site that this river and sea flood warning system would be activated in a La Palma or mid-Atlantic ridge sub-sea earthquake event Buried on their site on a PDF file http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk...arden_661682.p df Flood Wardens ... They consist of nominated volunteers who receive direct flood warnings from the Agency and pass these on to their neighbours. The number of flood wardens will depend on the size of the community and may be operated by a single individual. Each flood warden will have a certain area that he/she will look after and by working together with the Environment Agency ensure their community is prepared for flooding. ... What they aren't telling you about DNA profiles and what Special Branch don't want you to know. http://www.nutteing.50megs.com/dnapr.htm or nutteingd in a search engine Valid email (remove 4 of the 5 dots) Ignore any other apparent em address used to post this message - it is defunct due to spam. -- Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG |
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writes What are the views of those on uk.rec.gardening if it happens, and who will it effect? In North Lincolnshire we are often told that we shall be under sea-water within 50-100 years due to global warming. Who needs a tsunami? -- Alan & Joan Gould - North Lincs. |
"Mike" wrote ... What are the views of those on uk.rec.gardening if it happens, and who will it effect? The nearest tectonic plates to us are in the N.Atlantic and are divergent boundaries causing the N.Atlantic Ridge, because these plates are pulling apart there is little chance of a tsunami being caused. The plate boundaries in S E Asia are convergent which is why they suddenly moved 100 ft over one another, when they overcame the friction between themselves, causing the waves. I would be more worried about the effects of the change in the earths rotation caused by this earthquake. -- Regards Bob In Runnymede, 17 miles West of London |
"Mike" wrote in message ... What are the views of those on uk.rec.gardening if it happens, and who will it effect? I am about 50 metres inland from the Cliff Walk between Sandown and Shanklin on the Isle of Wight and about 50 metres above sea level. But the Island could very well become 3 Islands again. Mike, on the Isle(s) of Wight? I live 6 metres below sea level..................lets hope the polar ice stays where it is (and frozen!) Jenny |
The nearest tectonic plates not talking plate movement, but big chucks of rock. |
If the Clyde or ice doesn't get me, then a terrorist attack on Faslane probably will.........
Great, eh? |
"Mike" wrote in message ... What are the views of those on uk.rec.gardening if it happens, and who will it effect? Anyone without a stout pair of Wellington boots. -- Brian Sig: I have nothing more to say |
"Mike" wrote in message ... The nearest tectonic plates not talking plate movement, but big chucks of rock. Rock has been blamed for all society's ills since 1953. -- Brian Henry Fielding: "All Nature wears one universal grin" |
Oh no! something else to be frightened about! Where do you differentiate between "frightened of" and "aware of" ? |
Mike wrote:
Oh no! something else to be frightened about! Where do you differentiate between "frightened of" and "aware of" ? The chance of a Tsunami in this country is remote. What is of far more concern is a huge storm as happened in the 50s, affecting the South coast. It is entirely feasible that the Thames barrier could be breached. I know there are many who think they have too much down there, but should that happen then London would be devastated, and hence the whole country bankrupted, the income from the city would be lost. Why everything needs to be based there puzzles me, even 99% of broadband is there. |
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... Mike wrote: Oh no! something else to be frightened about! Where do you differentiate between "frightened of" and "aware of" ? The chance of a Tsunami in this country is remote. What is of far more concern is a huge storm as happened in the 50s, affecting the South coast. It is entirely feasible that the Thames barrier could be breached. I know there are many who think they have too much down there, but should that happen then London would be devastated, and hence the whole country bankrupted, the income from the city would be lost. Why everything needs to be based there puzzles me, even 99% of broadband is there. In historical times the Great Channel Storm http://www.mybrightonandhove.org.uk/...96_history.htm ... 'The worst storm in recorded history was probably the Great Channel Storm of 26 November 1703 which is estimated to have killed 8,000 people in England. Over a period of eight hours at Brighton a number of houses were demolished or lost their roofs, the town windmills were flattened, several boats and crews were lost, and the lead was ripped from the roof of the parish church. ... Did the Chessil Bank appear and Bramble Island in the Solent become the Bramble Bank in the same storm ? What they aren't telling you about DNA profiles and what Special Branch don't want you to know. http://www.nutteing.50megs.com/dnapr.htm or nutteingd in a search engine Valid email (remove 4 of the 5 dots) Ignore any other apparent em address used to post this message - it is defunct due to spam. |
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... "Mike" wrote in message ... What are the views of those on uk.rec.gardening if it happens, and who will it effect? Anyone without a stout pair of Wellington boots. Depending where you live, it might be thigh boots :-)) -- H.M.S.Collingwood Ass. Llandudno 20 - 23 May Trip to Portmeirion National Service (RAF) Ass. Cosford 24 - 27 June Lanc Bomber Fly Past H.M.S.Impregnable Ass. Sussex 1 - 3 July Visit to Int. Fest of the Sea British Pacific Fleet. Derby 2 - 5 Sept. Visit to Denby Pottery |
, but should that happen then London would be devastated, and hence
the whole country bankrupted, and don't you think that contingency plans are not in place? Do you think that everything is just nice and cosy and all tied up in London and that if/when something happens it will be a case of 'Don't panic Mr Mainwairing' and everyone will be running around like headless chickens? Fear not, emergency plans are already drawn up and ready for such an emergency. 24 hours or less and everything will be up and running . . . . . .. . . . . . . out of London of course. When I was with the GPO in the Midlands, one of the places was Royal Leamington Spa as the main HQ and when I was transferred to the Isle of Wight, I was actually working on the emergency planning side of the telephone system and you would be rather surprised at where one of the units on the Island was!! AND who were going to be involved and 'protected' in the case of a Nuke attack!! OK that was in the 60's and 70's, but I am quite certain the plans are still in place. only a more modern set!! Mike |
Mike wrote:
Oh no! something else to be frightened about! Where do you differentiate between "frightened of" and "aware of" ? It's pretty old news regurgitated. I wonder where you differentiate between being someone being serious and someone having a laugh :) Charlie -- www.peartreegreen.org |
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and don't you think that contingency plans are not in place? No. What about Bedford? Have they nicked the sandbags from around the temporary road signs yet? |
"Mike" wrote in message
... , but should that happen then London would be devastated, and hence the whole country bankrupted, and don't you think that contingency plans are not in place? Do you think that everything is just nice and cosy and all tied up in London and that if/when something happens it will be a case of 'Don't panic Mr Mainwairing' and everyone will be running around like headless chickens? Fear not, emergency plans are already drawn up and ready for such an emergency. 24 hours or less and everything will be up and running . . . . .. . . . . . . . out of London of course. When I was with the GPO in the Midlands, one of the places was Royal Leamington Spa as the main HQ and when I was transferred to the Isle of Wight, I was actually working on the emergency planning side of the telephone system and you would be rather surprised at where one of the units on the Island was!! AND who were going to be involved and 'protected' in the case of a Nuke attack!! OK that was in the 60's and 70's, but I am quite certain the plans are still in place. only a more modern set!! Mike A lot depends on psychology - if some official ignores it then the chain stops there. How long was it before fighter/interceptor planes were launched on 9/11 ?No conspiracy - just someone not believing what they were hearing. What they aren't telling you about DNA profiles and what Special Branch don't want you to know. http://www.nutteing.50megs.com/dnapr.htm or nutteingd in a search engine Valid email (remove 4 of the 5 dots) Ignore any other apparent em address used to post this message - it is defunct due to spam. |
On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 18:38:21 +0000 (UTC), Mike wrote:
Anyone without a stout pair of Wellington boots. Depending where you live, it might be thigh boots :-)) Think I'll go for razor wire, a few shot guns and lots of ammo. If a tsunami gets us then there isn't going to be much left of Europe let alone the UK. -- Cheers Dave. Nr Garrigill, Cumbria. 421m ASL. pam is missing e-mail |
"Charlie" wrote in message ... Mike wrote: Oh no! something else to be frightened about! Where do you differentiate between "frightened of" and "aware of" ? It's pretty old news regurgitated. I wonder where you differentiate between being someone being serious and someone having a laugh :) Charlie -- www.peartreegreen.org No point in bothering about the garden anymore then ? suppose we could make a water feature of it. john .m |
"Mike" wrote ... The nearest tectonic plates not talking plate movement, but big chucks of rock. Falling from the sky or falling off the Canaries in one lump? -- Regards Bob In Runnymede, 17 miles West of London |
On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 22:55:52 -0000, Bob Hobden wrote:
not talking plate movement, but big chucks of rock. Falling from the sky or falling off the Canaries in one lump? Both. -- Cheers Dave. pam is missing e-mail |
If a
tsunami gets us then there isn't going to be much left of Europe let alone the UK. ..... At least the plants will get wattered ;-) I'm getting back on topic again, I apologise. |
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The main risk is the big piece of rock which is expected to fall off an island in the Canaries, generate a tidal wave that will wipe out the East Coats of the USA and not do a lot of good to the low countries. Atlantic City - no harm there Philadelphia - ditto New York - a tragedy |
not talking plate movement, but big chucks of rock. Falling from the sky or falling off the Canaries in one lump? -- The latter |
On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 00:58:51 +0000, Douglas wrote:
..... At least the plants will get wattered ;-) Lack of rain isn't normally a problem up here either, Jul to Dec 2004 inches per month: 2, 9, 3, 6, 3, 4. -- Cheers Dave. pam is missing e-mail |
wrote in message ... On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 16:09:33 -0000, "Bob Hobden" wrote: The main risk is the big piece of rock which is expected to fall off an island in the Canaries, generate a tidal wave that will wipe out the East Coats of the USA and not do a lot of good to the low countries. Apparently a tsunami hit the west coast of Ireland in 1775 ? after a seismic event near the Azores and Canaries causing some considerable damage.. -- Chris Thomas West Cork Ireland |
wrote in message ... On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 02:39:19 +0000, (gp) wrote: wrote: The main risk is the big piece of rock which is expected to fall off an island in the Canaries, generate a tidal wave that will wipe out the East Coast of the USA and not do a lot of good to the low countries. Atlantic City - no harm there Philadelphia - ditto New York - a tragedy Good bye Florida and brother Bush? Not all bad news then. -- Brian Henry Fielding: "All Nature wears one universal grin" |
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writes wrote in message .. . On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 16:09:33 -0000, "Bob Hobden" wrote: The main risk is the big piece of rock which is expected to fall off an island in the Canaries, generate a tidal wave that will wipe out the East Coats of the USA and not do a lot of good to the low countries. Apparently a tsunami hit the west coast of Ireland in 1775 ? after a seismic event near the Azores and Canaries causing some considerable damage.. I believe that was the earthquake and tsunami that wiped out Lisbon. -- June Hughes |
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wrote: On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 16:09:33 -0000, "Bob Hobden" wrote: "Mike" wrote ... What are the views of those on uk.rec.gardening if it happens, and who will it effect? The nearest tectonic plates to us are in the N.Atlantic and are divergent boundaries causing the N.Atlantic Ridge, because these plates are pulling apart there is little chance of a tsunami being caused. The plate boundaries in S E Asia are convergent which is why they suddenly moved 100 ft over one another, when they overcame the friction between themselves, causing the waves. I would be more worried about the effects of the change in the earths rotation caused by this earthquake. The main risk is the big piece of rock which is expected to fall off an island in the Canaries, generate a tidal wave that will wipe out the East Coats of the USA and not do a lot of good to the low countries. You may be right that divergent plates will cause less of a shock wave than convergent ones, but I should be flabberghasted if they couldn't cause enough of one to cause trouble, given the shallowing and focussing of the Channel. Without doing some precise modelling, I can't say what effects that would have on the UK, but it is relatively unlikely to be a major event. Probably not more than 100,000 dead. However, it is NOT true that the UK is safe from earthquakes. There have been some Richter 5+ events on the mainland (including one that killed two people, our only deaths), but there has been a Richter 6.0 under the Dogger bank. If that occurred under London, the carnage could be immense, and it is not completely impossible. But it is pretty unlikely. However, the most likely cause of water-borne carnage is a certainty in the next century or so, but our wonderful government is attempting (and failing) to hide it using terrorism legislation. Probably so that they can say "But we couldn't POSSIBLY have known" and the resulting enquiry will acquit them of all negligence. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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, but should that happen then London would be devastated, and hence the whole country bankrupted, and don't you think that contingency plans are not in place? I know that they aren't. They were a bit ricketty when the Blessed Margaret took over, so she abolished the mechanism for maintaining them. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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"Mike" wrote in message ... What are the views of those on uk.rec.gardening if it happens, and who will it effect? I am about 50 metres inland from the Cliff Walk between Sandown and Shanklin on the Isle of Wight and about 50 metres above sea level. But the Island could very well become 3 Islands again. Unless I am mistaken, there is no plate boundary nearby, nor are there any active submarine volcanoes around there, so you will probably be OK. I think you will be reasonably shielded from that island in the Canaries, part of which is expected to dslide off into the Atlantic at any time now. They say when it goes, that will be the end of New York. Franz |
"Brian Watson" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 02:39:19 +0000, (gp) wrote: wrote: The main risk is the big piece of rock which is expected to fall off an island in the Canaries, generate a tidal wave that will wipe out the East Coast of the USA and not do a lot of good to the low countries. Atlantic City - no harm there Philadelphia - ditto New York - a tragedy Good bye Florida and brother Bush? Not all bad news then. Would that we'd be so lucky! Franz |
wrote in message ... On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 11:57:00 +0000, June Hughes wrote: In message , Cerumen writes wrote in message . .. On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 16:09:33 -0000, "Bob Hobden" wrote: The main risk is the big piece of rock which is expected to fall off an island in the Canaries, generate a tidal wave that will wipe out the East Coats of the USA and not do a lot of good to the low countries. Apparently a tsunami hit the west coast of Ireland in 1775 ? after a seismic event near the Azores and Canaries causing some considerable damage.. I believe that was the earthquake and tsunami that wiped out Lisbon. When did everybody start calling a tidal wave a tsunami and why? Not long ago, because it sounds so knowledgeable. Why not use the Japanese word for earthquake too? Perhaps becaise it might be unpronounceable? Franz |
wrote in message ... On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 17:16:35 +0100, "JennyC" wrote: "Mike" wrote in message ... What are the views of those on uk.rec.gardening if it happens, and who will it effect? I am about 50 metres inland from the Cliff Walk between Sandown and Shanklin on the Isle of Wight and about 50 metres above sea level. But the Island could very well become 3 Islands again. Mike, on the Isle(s) of Wight? I live 6 metres below sea level..................lets hope the polar ice stays where it is (and frozen!) I'm 7 metres above :-) How sound is the structure below you? Franz |
Unless I am mistaken, there is no plate boundary nearby, nor are there
any active submarine volcanoes around there, so you will probably be OK. So glad :-)) I have so much to do :-)) I think you will be reasonably shielded from that island in the Canaries, part of which is expected to dslide off into the Atlantic at any time now. "At any time now" in relation to when ;-)) ? Rather like the notice on the shut shop, "Back soon". Next October is 'soon' with respect to Christmas 2025 They say when it goes, that will be the end of New York. I believe that if that is the case, 'something' would have been done by now if 'any time now' relates to this year!! Mike not holding his breath ;-) |
"mrmalins" wrote in message ... "Charlie" wrote in message ... Mike wrote: Oh no! something else to be frightened about! Where do you differentiate between "frightened of" and "aware of" ? It's pretty old news regurgitated. I wonder where you differentiate between being someone being serious and someone having a laugh :) Charlie -- www.peartreegreen.org No point in bothering about the garden anymore then ? suppose we could make a water feature of it. john .m A salt-water pond kitted up with seaweed? Franz |
On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 14:40:51 +0000 (UTC), Mike wrote:
They say when it goes, that will be the end of New York. I believe that if that is the case, 'something' would have been done by now if 'any time now' relates to this year!! And what would you suggest that "they" do? Get a couple of big sticks and prop it up? You'd need a lot of string and blu-tac to hold back 500 billion tons of rock. -- Tim C. |
"Douglas" wrote in message ... If a tsunami gets us then there isn't going to be much left of Europe let alone the UK. .... At least the plants will get wattered ;-) Yeah, but it's salt water. how will this affect growing crops in the near futire? Jenny I'm getting back on topic again, I apologise. -- Douglas |
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"Nick Maclaren" wrote .. after "Bob Hobden" The nearest tectonic plates to us are in the N.Atlantic and are divergent boundaries causing the N.Atlantic Ridge, because these plates are pulling apart there is little chance of a tsunami being caused. The plate boundaries in S E Asia are convergent which is why they suddenly moved 100 ft over one another, when they overcame the friction between themselves, causing the waves. I would be more worried about the effects of the change in the earths rotation caused by this earthquake. You may be right that divergent plates will cause less of a shock wave than convergent ones, but I should be flabberghasted if they couldn't cause enough of one to cause trouble, given the shallowing and focussing of the Channel. Without doing some precise modelling, I can't say what effects that would have on the UK, but it is relatively unlikely to be a major event. Probably not more than 100,000 dead. We are partly protected from the N. Atlantic by Ireland and the coast that is exposed is high and used to big waves so I can't see serious problems caused by tectonic plate movement there when it's so far below the surface. Of course if it gets channelled up the Channel then the S. coast could suffer badly all the way to the S. Downs but there are a lot of ifs and buts for that to happen. The Seven Bore might be a little bigger than normal too! However, it is NOT true that the UK is safe from earthquakes. There have been some Richter 5+ events on the mainland (including one that killed two people, our only deaths), but there has been a Richter 6.0 under the Dogger bank. If that occurred under London, the carnage could be immense, and it is not completely impossible. But it is pretty unlikely. True, never said we were. However we don't normally get anything we notice unless we are a scientist. However, the most likely cause of water-borne carnage is a certainty in the next century or so, but our wonderful government is attempting (and failing) to hide it using terrorism legislation. Probably so that they can say "But we couldn't POSSIBLY have known" and the resulting enquiry will acquit them of all negligence. Could you explain that Nick? Are we back to the Canaries again? -- Regards Bob In Runnymede, 17 miles West of London |
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