I am having an awfully heated argument with my friend about this plant. All
about its English common name - one of these is of course Schisandra,
another is Magnola vine, but I have googled and lots of sites refer to this
plant as "Wu-wei-zi"'. This name is of course of Chinese origin (it means
"having five tastes" or something), but the question is, whether it has been
*accepted* into English language? Or is my friend right and it is solely and
purely Chinese?

Regards, B.

In article ,
Basia Kulesz wrote:
I am having an awfully heated argument with my friend about this plant. All
about its English common name - one of these is of course Schisandra,
another is Magnola vine, but I have googled and lots of sites refer to this
plant as "Wu-wei-zi"'. This name is of course of Chinese origin (it means
"having five tastes" or something), but the question is, whether it has been
*accepted* into English language? Or is my friend right and it is solely and
purely Chinese?

Well, it might have been accepted into English by Chinese speakers,
I suppose. Other than that, no, it hasn't been. And Magnola vine
is new to me, too - for such specialised plants, most gardeners will
use the Latin names. It may be a more common plant in some parts of
the English-speaking world, but isn't widespread in the UK. Which
doesn't mean that NOBODY calls it a Magnola vine - just that it isn't
a particularly common name for it.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

On 28/1/05 18:27, in article , "Basia
Kulesz" wrote:

I am having an awfully heated argument with my friend about this plant. All
about its English common name - one of these is of course Schisandra,
another is Magnola vine, but I have googled and lots of sites refer to this
plant as "Wu-wei-zi"'. This name is of course of Chinese origin (it means
"having five tastes" or something), but the question is, whether it has been
*accepted* into English language? Or is my friend right and it is solely and
purely Chinese?

Is this what you're looking for?

"Schizandra (Schizandra chinensis) is a creeping vine with small red berries
that is native to Northern China. In ancient China, Schizandra was used as a
staple food for hunting and gathering tribes. As a traditional medicinal
herb, Schizandra, called Wu-wei-tzu in China, has been used as an astringent
for a treatment for dry cough, asthma, night sweats, nocturnal seminal
emissions and chronic diarrhea. It is also used as a tonic for the treatment
of chronic fatigue."
http://www.betterbodz.com/library/schizandra.html
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove the weeds to email me)

U¿ytkownik "Janet Baraclough" napisa³ w
wiadomo¶ci ...
| The message
| from "Basia Kulesz" contains these words:
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| There's no common name given for schisandra chinensis in The Hillier
| Manual of Trees and Shrubs, (which is a reliable UK reference) .
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| I've never heard of the names Magnola vine and Wu-wei-zi.

Well, you've all been most helpful - thank you!

Regards, B.

On 28/1/05 22:49, in article , "Basia
Kulesz" wrote:

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Well, you've all been most helpful - thank you!

Regards, B.

Did you happen to see my post describing the plant you were asking about?
It is 'Schizandra' not 'schisandra'.
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove the weeds to email me)

U¿ytkownik "Sacha" napisa³ w wiadomo¶ci
k...
| On 28/1/05 22:49, in article , "Basia
| Kulesz" wrote:
|

| Did you happen to see my post describing the plant you were asking about?
| It is 'Schizandra' not 'schisandra'.

Well, RHS encyclopedia gives the name as "Schisandra" (family
Schisandraceae)- I really checked before asking:-)

Regards, B.

On 29/1/05 15:13, in article , "Basia
Kulesz" wrote:


U¿ytkownik "Sacha" napisa³ w wiadomo¶ci
k...
| On 28/1/05 22:49, in article , "Basia
| Kulesz" wrote:
|

| Did you happen to see my post describing the plant you were asking about?
| It is 'Schizandra' not 'schisandra'.

Well, RHS encyclopedia gives the name as "Schisandra" (family
Schisandraceae)- I really checked before asking:-)

Regards, B.

Looking further it appears as both, and it seems to be well known in the
herbal medicine business
"Schisandra
Schisandra chinensis

Berries from the plant (Schisandra chinensis) have been one of the primary
medicinal agents of Chinese herbal medicine since antiquity. The first
recorded use of schisandra is found in China's earliest text of herbal
medicine, the Divine Husbandman's Classic of the Materia Medica, which is
believed to have originated in the first century B.C. In this text,
schisandra is said to "prolong the years of life without aging," and it is
also said to increase energy (called "qi," pronounced "chee"), suppress
cough, treat fatigue, and act as a sexual tonic. In Traditional Chinese
Medicine (TCM), schisandra berries have been used predominantly for the
lungs and kidneys as an astringent tonic to arrest mucous discharges,
alleviate spontaneous sweating, and check urinary and reproductive
secretions such as in urinary incontinence."
http://www.organicfood.co.uk/vms/schisandra.html
Sounds a useful sort of supplement!
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove the weeds to email me)

"Basia Kulesz" wrote in message
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U¿ytkownik "Sacha" napisa³ w
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| On 28/1/05 22:49, in article ,
"Basia
| Kulesz" wrote:
|

| Did you happen to see my post describing the plant you were asking
about?
| It is 'Schizandra' not 'schisandra'.

Well, RHS encyclopedia gives the name as "Schisandra" (family
Schisandraceae)- I really checked before asking:-)

So does mine, and so does The Plantfinder.
Sacha, how many have you sold with a wrong spelling for the name?
{:-))

Franz

Regards, B.

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from "Franz Heymann" contains these words:

So does mine, and so does The Plantfinder.
Sacha, how many have you sold with a wrong spelling for the name?
{:-))

Well you all had me looking it up as well because I have always spelt
it Schizandra ...

Seems either is/was correct. L. H. Bailey - published 1947 - has it with a Z,
Sanders - the 1950's edition - has Schisandra but notes it can be spelt
Schizandra.

Jennifer

On 30/1/05 17:55, in article , "Franz
Heymann" wrote:


"Basia Kulesz" wrote in message
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U¿ytkownik "Sacha" napisa³ w
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| On 28/1/05 22:49, in article ,
"Basia
| Kulesz" wrote:
|

| Did you happen to see my post describing the plant you were asking
about?
| It is 'Schizandra' not 'schisandra'.

Well, RHS encyclopedia gives the name as "Schisandra" (family
Schisandraceae)- I really checked before asking:-)

So does mine, and so does The Plantfinder.
Sacha, how many have you sold with a wrong spelling for the name?
{:-))

None that I know of because we don't stock it. ;-)) Apparently we did some
time ago and nobody wanted it and no, I don't know how we spelled it then!
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove the weeds to email me)

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On 30/1/05 17:55, in article , "Franz
Heymann" wrote:


"Basia Kulesz" wrote in message
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U¿ytkownik "Sacha" napisa³ w
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| On 28/1/05 22:49, in article ,
"Basia
| Kulesz" wrote:
|

| Did you happen to see my post describing the plant you were asking
about?
| It is 'Schizandra' not 'schisandra'.

Well, RHS encyclopedia gives the name as "Schisandra" (family
Schisandraceae)- I really checked before asking:-)

So does mine, and so does The Plantfinder.
Sacha, how many have you sold with a wrong spelling for the name?
{:-))

None that I know of because we don't stock it. ;-)) Apparently we did
some
time ago and nobody wanted it and no, I don't know how we spelled it then!
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove the weeds to email me)

They are not great sellers because you realy need two plants (male and
female) or you miss out on the seed pods which are like strings of red
beads, the flowers are beautiful (especially S. rubriflora) like miniature
magnolias (they are related) but relatively small and short lived.
They are also b.....s to propagate!
--
Charlie, gardening in Cornwall.
http://www.roselandhouse.co.uk
Holders of National Plant Collection of Clematis viticella (cvs)

On 1/2/05 8:48, in article ,
"Charlie Pridham" wrote:

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They are not great sellers because you realy need two plants (male and
female) or you miss out on the seed pods which are like strings of red
beads, the flowers are beautiful (especially S. rubriflora) like miniature
magnolias (they are related) but relatively small and short lived.
They are also b.....s to propagate!

As to the latter, Ray has quite enough fun with Rhamnus! ;-( Out of about
16 cuttings, I think he got 3 to take. The only small consolation is that
they're notorious for it!
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove the weeds to email me)