Any suggestions for I might try to grow along a very shaded 15 foot
stretch of north- facing garden wall (about 6 foot high) which doesn't
get much direct sunlight? The soil seems very heavy and clumpy, so
presumably has a high clay content, as you'd expect in North London.


Ken Cohen

"ken cohen" wrote in message
om...
Any suggestions for I might try to grow along a very shaded 15 foot
stretch of north- facing garden wall (about 6 foot high) which doesn't
get much direct sunlight? The soil seems very heavy and clumpy, so
presumably has a high clay content, as you'd expect in North London.


Ken Cohen

Parthenocissus henryana, or Hedera helix 'Golden Esther' Lonicera
periclymenum, most clematis and some rambling roses.

--
Charlie, gardening in Cornwall.
http://www.roselandhouse.co.uk
Holders of National Plant Collection of Clematis viticella (cvs)

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ken cohen wrote:
Any suggestions for I might try to grow along a very shaded 15 foot
stretch of north- facing garden wall (about 6 foot high) which doesn't
get much direct sunlight? The soil seems very heavy and clumpy, so
presumably has a high clay content, as you'd expect in North London.

Non-variegated ivy, or nothing. Sorry.

If it is genuinely north facing, it will get NO direct sunlight,
and adding shade to that is bad news indeed.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

ken cohen wrote:
Any suggestions for I might try to grow along a very shaded 15 foot
stretch of north- facing garden wall (about 6 foot high) which doesn't
get much direct sunlight? The soil seems very heavy and clumpy, so
presumably has a high clay content, as you'd expect in North London.


Ken Cohen

try Hydrangea anomola subsp petiolaris with lots of organinc material to
lighten the soil.

pk

"ken cohen" wrote in message
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Any suggestions for I might try to grow along a very shaded 15 foot
stretch of north- facing garden wall (about 6 foot high) which doesn't
get much direct sunlight? The soil seems very heavy and clumpy, so
I've just planted some gunnera and fatsia japonica in a similar though
sheltered place-I dont think the big leaves like direct sun. A few other
plants may well survive but getting them established will be the hard part.

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"ken cohen" wrote in message
om...
Any suggestions for I might try to grow along a very shaded 15 foot
stretch of north- facing garden wall (about 6 foot high) which doesn't
get much direct sunlight? The soil seems very heavy and clumpy, so
I've just planted some gunnera and fatsia japonica in a similar though
sheltered place-I dont think the big leaves like direct sun. A few other
plants may well survive but getting them established will be the hard
part.

I've managed to grow a pyrocantha on one such place. It's slow but gets
there.

On 25/4/05 11:11, in article , "spakker"
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"ken cohen" wrote in message
om...
Any suggestions for I might try to grow along a very shaded 15 foot
stretch of north- facing garden wall (about 6 foot high) which doesn't
get much direct sunlight? The soil seems very heavy and clumpy, so
I've just planted some gunnera and fatsia japonica in a similar though
sheltered place-I dont think the big leaves like direct sun. A few other
plants may well survive but getting them established will be the hard part.


How about trying Geranium palmatum?
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove the weeds to email me)

Cotoneaster horizontalis ... leaves appear early in the season , flowers early summer , brilliant autumn leaf colour , berries thru winter , self supporting , very hardy ... what more could one want ?

about 5 of them would cover the distance probably reduced to 3 over time .

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"Duncan Heenan" writes:
| "spakker" wrote in message
| ...
| "ken cohen" wrote in message
| om...
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| Any suggestions for I might try to grow along a very shaded 15 foot
| stretch of north- facing garden wall (about 6 foot high) which doesn't
| get much direct sunlight? The soil seems very heavy and clumpy, so
| presumably has a high clay content, as you'd expect in North London.
|
| I've just planted some gunnera and fatsia japonica in a similar though
| sheltered place-I dont think the big leaves like direct sun. A few other
| plants may well survive but getting them established will be the hard
| part.
|
| I've managed to grow a pyrocantha on one such place. It's slow but gets
| there.

I think that there are a lot of cross-purposes postings on this
thread. If the north wall really IS "very shaded" by north wall
standards in London, I stand by my remark "non-variegated ivy, or
nothing" as far as climbers go (and there aren't many non-climbers
that are suitable). However, if it is less shaded, I agree that
there are a lot more options.

No north wall in the UK gets ANY sunlight, so that doesn't clarify
anything, but does hint that it might not be as dark as I was
assuming.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

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(Nick Maclaren) writes:
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| No north wall in the UK gets ANY sunlight, so that doesn't clarify
| anything, but does hint that it might not be as dark as I was
| assuming.

Oops, Nick. Think HARDER before posting. The above is incorrect
in fact, but correct in practice :-) Yes, the sun does rise and
set north of west in summer, but the chances of it not being
blocked by a building or tree in most of the UK are negligible.
And it is very weak at that time of day, too.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

Nick Maclaren wrote:
In article ,
"Duncan Heenan" writes:
| "spakker" wrote in message
| ...
| "ken cohen" wrote in message
| om...
|
| Any suggestions for I might try to grow along a very shaded 15 foot
| stretch of north- facing garden wall (about 6 foot high) which doesn't
| get much direct sunlight? The soil seems very heavy and clumpy, so
| presumably has a high clay content, as you'd expect in North London.
|
| I've just planted some gunnera and fatsia japonica in a similar though
| sheltered place-I dont think the big leaves like direct sun. A few other
| plants may well survive but getting them established will be the hard
| part.
|
| I've managed to grow a pyrocantha on one such place. It's slow but gets
| there.

I think that there are a lot of cross-purposes postings on this
thread. If the north wall really IS "very shaded" by north wall
standards in London, I stand by my remark "non-variegated ivy, or
nothing" as far as climbers go (and there aren't many non-climbers
that are suitable). However, if it is less shaded, I agree that
there are a lot more options.

No north wall in the UK gets ANY sunlight, so that doesn't clarify
anything, but does hint that it might not be as dark as I was
assuming.

well, in June, you could have quite a lot of sunlight in early morning
or late afternoon on a true North-facing wall??

I agree with Hydrangea petiolaris. I have grown it sucessfully on a wall
which truly never get any sun at all.

Philippe

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writes
Any suggestions for I might try to grow along a very shaded 15 foot
stretch of north- facing garden wall (about 6 foot high) which doesn't
get much direct sunlight? The soil seems very heavy and clumpy, so
presumably has a high clay content, as you'd expect in North London.

The 'Plants in shade' FAQ has lots of suggestions, and originated from
experience of growing in exactly this situation.
--
Kay
"Do not insult the crocodile until you have crossed the river"

In article , Eyebright Eyebright.1
writes

ken cohen Wrote:
Any suggestions


Ken Cohen

Cotoneaster horizontalis ... leaves appear early in the season ,
flowers early summer , brilliant autumn leaf colour , berries thru
winter , self supporting , very hardy ... what more could one want ?

Something that doesn't try to take over the entire garden

about 5 of them would cover the distance probably reduced to 3 over
time .



--
Kay
"Do not insult the crocodile until you have crossed the river"

Thanks everyone for these suggestions. Are there any vegetables that
might flourish in these conditions?

Ken Cohen

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ken cohen wrote:
Thanks everyone for these suggestions. Are there any vegetables that
might flourish in these conditions?

Mushrooms.

All 'normal' vegetables need light for photosynthesis - it is dark
enough in this country in open locations, and dark ones are quite
hopeless.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.