"Chris Bacon" wrote in message
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John Edgar wrote:
You do not need to be humane, but maleficent in the extreme. They are
vermin and will do untold damage in your roof. They may look like
charming rascals, but they are more like monsters.

Put some poison in your roof space. That gets rid of them. You do not
ned the female giving birth up there, because the whole family will
keep coming back and they are extremely persistent. You need to kill
them all quickly. If you do not get rid of them, they will eat through
electric wiring. It all gets very expensive.

It does get expensive. I have recently replaced all the wiring in
a loft in a semi-detached house. It was nibbled bare in many places,
and a flex to a loft light had been gnawed through. The loft
insulation had been tunnelled into, raked about, and was covered in
squirrel excrement and urine. Some joists (2"x4") had been chewed
badly, about 30% of their cross-sectional area having been removed.
The loft hatch had apparently been a favoured spot for urination,
and the white gloss paint had bubbled off along one side. The owner
had previously re-wired and installed new loft insulation after the
same problem.

I've never heard a way to deter them that works. If you can find
out how they're getting in, stop up the way, but you may well find
that disposing of the individual that's found its way in is best
as they are persistent little osds and will try to re-open their
route in.

Try a Fenn trap (Mk IV). Follow the instructions. They're about a
tenner each to buy. You can get them at good fishing/sports shops,
or on the 'Net, eg: http://www.vespestcontrol.co.uk/fenn.html
http://www.euroguns.co.uk/acatalog/Fenn_traps.html Bacon rind tied
around the plate is good bait. Mind your fingers when you set them,
they are a bit vicious (don't put your fingers near a live squirrel,
either!). Make sure you inspect the trap at least twice a day for
humanitarian reasons. Also, make sure you fasten the chain on the
trap down so it can't be dragged away into the eaves. Otherwise, a
"live trap" is useful (use maize for bait) - when you've caught a
squirrel, dunk the trap and contents into a water butt. It's illegal
to release a caught squirrel elsewhere.

I am sorry but the thought of any creature struggling to breath for several
minutes while underwater turns my stomach. I nearly drowned as a youngster
and it was not pleasant and certainly not fast. The memory has never left me
and I would never advocate using this bloody inhumane method of killing
anything.

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I am sorry but the thought of any creature struggling to breath for several
minutes while underwater turns my stomach. I nearly drowned as a youngster
and it was not pleasant and certainly not fast. The memory has never left me
and I would never advocate using this bloody inhumane method of killing
anything.

Much as I dislike grey squirrels (except in a pie or casserole) I have
to agree with the above. I rescued some sort of fly from rainwater in a
container, yesterday as it struggled to get a grip on the plastic sides.

Any squirrels I kill depart suddenly, with a ·22" hole in the head.

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The message
from "pammyT" contains these words:

I am sorry but the thought of any creature struggling to breath for
several
minutes while underwater turns my stomach. I nearly drowned as a
youngster
and it was not pleasant and certainly not fast. The memory has never
left me
and I would never advocate using this bloody inhumane method of killing
anything.

Much as I dislike grey squirrels (except in a pie or casserole) I have
to agree with the above. I rescued some sort of fly from rainwater in a
container, yesterday as it struggled to get a grip on the plastic sides.

Any squirrels I kill depart suddenly, with a ·22" hole in the head.

I have no problem with killing vermin. In theory, I have no problem with
killing any animal. But as a rational compassionate human being, I abhoir
cruelty and suffering. If you must eradicate vermin, for heaven's sake, do
it fast without making the creature suffer. It doesn't *know* it is vermin.
It doesn't act the way it does, simply to make a nuisance of itself. It is
simply being a grey squirrel.

How can it be inhumane? We are not dealing with humans, but animals and
vermin at that.

"John Edgar" wrote in message
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How can it be inhumane? We are not dealing with humans, but animals and
vermin at that.

ITY are a troll. Either that or you are clinically a phychopath, unable to
imagine anything from another perspective and have no concept of another's
suffering.

"pammyT" wrote in message
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"John Edgar" wrote in message
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How can it be inhumane? We are not dealing with humans, but animals and
vermin at that.

ITY are a troll. Either that or you are clinically a phychopath, unable to
imagine anything from another perspective and have no concept of another's
suffering.

No he is not a troll, it is quite possible you are, who else would make such
a fuss about killing vermin.

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"John Edgar" wrote in message
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How can it be inhumane? We are not dealing with humans, but animals and
vermin at that.

ITY are a troll. Either that or you are clinically a phychopath, unable to
imagine anything from another perspective and have no concept of another's
suffering.

No he is not a troll, it is quite possible you are, who else would
make such
a fuss about killing vermin.

Most people, I'd guess, as well as HM Governments of various flavours
over the years.

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Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar.
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ITY are a troll. Either that or you are clinically a phychopath, unable
to
imagine anything from another perspective and have no concept of
another's
suffering.

Yes I do. I don't want humans to suffer, nor pussy cats nor dogs nor
horses not red squirrels nor bumble bees, and so on. Vermin are
different.
John

"John Edgar" wrote in message
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How can it be inhumane? We are not dealing with humans, but animals and
vermin at that.


I'm assuming you are responding to a post which suggested that killing
squirrels by drowning might be considered inhumane?

Do you believe it is impossible to be inhumane to any non-human animal? If
so, how would you define 'humane'?

In message , BAC
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"John Edgar" wrote in message
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How can it be inhumane? We are not dealing with humans, but animals and
vermin at that.


I'm assuming you are responding to a post which suggested that killing
squirrels by drowning might be considered inhumane?

Do you believe it is impossible to be inhumane to any non-human animal? If
so, how would you define 'humane'?


I think humane is treating any species with the dignity and kindness
that I would afford a 'human' under the same circumstances. In fact I
think some humans are the only creatures that I could delight in killing
slowly :-))
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Do not mess in the affairs of dragons - for
you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup!

"Sue Begg" wrote in message
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Sue Begg
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I'd love to, when can we meet?(:-)

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"Sue Begg" wrote in message
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Sue Begg
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I'd love to, when can we meet?(:-)

LOL it's not a pretty sight nowadays :-))
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Sue Begg
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Do not mess in the affairs of dragons - for
you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup!

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In message , Alan Holmes
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"Sue Begg" wrote in message
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Sue Begg
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I'd love to, when can we meet?(:-)

LOL it's not a pretty sight nowadays :-))

Snap!(:-)

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Sue Begg
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Do not mess in the affairs of dragons - for
you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup!

In fact I
think some humans are the only creatures that I could delight in
killing
slowly :-))

So you are just as bad, if not worse, than I am. At least I
differentiate between human animals and animal animals.
John

BAC wrote:
"John Edgar" wrote in message
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How can it be inhumane? We are not dealing with humans, but animals
and vermin at that.


I'm assuming you are responding to a post which suggested that killing
squirrels by drowning might be considered inhumane?

Do you believe it is impossible to be inhumane to any non-human
animal? If so, how would you define 'humane'?

From the Chambers Dictionary: -

humane adj 1 kind and sympathetic. 2 said of a killing: done with as little
pain and suffering as possible. 3 said of a branch of learning: aiming to
civilize and make more elegant and polite. humanely adverb. humaneness noun.

Nothing whatsoever to do with 'human' except it's usually humans doing the
killing.


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