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Running waterline into a barn
I have a yard hydrant about 40 ft away from a barn. Every winter its the
same fight with garden hoses freezing up. I need to fill a water tank in the barn for a few horses about every 2 days. This hydrant is uphill from the barn, and there is a pole right near that hydrant. My thought is to run a piece of stainless steel cable from that pole to the barn. Then attach the hose to the cable with wire-ties. The hose then runs into the barn, and to the stock tank. It will slope downhill all the way, so as soon as the tank is filled, I will remove the female hose end from the hydrant and the water inside the hose will drain into the tank, so the hose can not freeze. However, I must make sure there are no sags in the hose, where water will collect and freeze. The other problem I see, is that where the hose enters the barn wall, rain water will run down the outside of the hose and into the barn. I cant put a drip loop in the hose, because that spot would freeze in winter. I'm thinking I'll have to put some silicone caulk where it enters the wall. Anyhow, I thought I'd ask if anyone on here has tried something like this? I am also thinking of using some other material, instead of a hose. I'm aware that a hose exposed to sunlight wont last real long, so I could also use that black polyurathane pipe that's made for underground use, or some of that PEX pipe. That Poly pipe is kind of stiff, so I dont know if I could get all the sags out of it. And being black, how well will that pipe hold up in sunlight? So, what about that PEX pipe? How does that hold up in sunlight? I've never used it, but have felt it in stores, and it seems rather stiff also. I know it needs a special tool to attach fittings, and I will need to attach a fitting on the one end by the hydrant, so I can run a short hose from that pipe to the hydrant. I'm not too worried about needing that tool, because I can get the hardware store to clamp that fitting for a buck, before I hang the pipe. Anyhow, what would be the best material to use? Poly pipe, PEX pipe, or just a garden hose? |
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On Mon, 19 Dec 2016 09:40:16 -0500, Brooklyn1
wrote: Seems to me rather than the Rube Goldberg approach 40' is no biggie to carry a couple of buckets, especially downhill to your barn... have you considered a wagon with a few of 5 gallon buckets... should be a walk in the park to lug a couple empty buckets back uphill. Anyway that's how I water shrubs and trees that're too far from a hose bib, by pulling a cart full of buckets with my tractor, better than dragging a few hundred feet of garden hose filled with water. My barn is 350' from a hose bib so I lug two 1 gallon milk jugs of water every day for watering the feral cats... I have electric in the barn but no water, heated water bowls work fine in winter. I thought of a water line when I had the electric cable buried but water can present freeze-up problems in winter no matter how well thought out. It's a lot simpler to just carry water or haul water with a cart. If you have a small garden tractor and a cart with a bunch of five gallon plastic contractor's buckets your problem is solved. This is all you need, that cart will hold 10 five gallon buckets: This dont answer my question. What you're saying is what I do NOW. Much of the time using a hose is just too much trouble, so I carry buckets. Being 66 years old, this is not easy anymore. Using a cart and /or tractor is not an option. There are 2 concrete steps between the barn and hydrant. As winter goes on, those steps tend to ice up and eventually becomes a ramp. I have fallen several times there already. Those steps would ice up much less if I was not splashing water on them while carrying buckets of water. This is not a matter of carrying a couple gallon jugs, it's at least 12 five gallon pails every other day, and doing that this past weekend with windchills at around 40 deg. below zero was no fun. Installing something as I suggest, is not a major job and not costly, I'm just trying to determine what would be the best materials to use. |
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This is not a matter of carrying a couple gallon jugs, it's at least 12 five gallon pails every other day, and doing that this past weekend with windchills at around 40 deg. below zero was no fun. Just curious - how do you prevent the " yard hydrant " from freezing up ? John T. |
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On Mon, 19 Dec 2016 17:52:48 -0500, wrote:
snips This is not a matter of carrying a couple gallon jugs, it's at least 12 five gallon pails every other day, and doing that this past weekend with windchills at around 40 deg. below zero was no fun. Just curious - how do you prevent the " yard hydrant " from freezing up ? John T. They are made to not freeze. They sit above the ground, but are about 9 feet long. At least 6 feet is in the ground. The water in that 9' piece (pipe) drains down into the ground as soon as they are turned off. They work quite well, but in the extreme cold, they do get stiff. I always apply vaseline around the shaft that's under the handle. That keeps that shaft from sticking to the seals in there, and lubes the seals too. To learn more about them, Go to: http://www.woodfordmfg.com/woodford/...Model-y34.html One point, they MUST be adjusted properly or the water dont drain down, and if that happens, it's a real pain to unthaw them. I always check them before winter to make sure they are working properly.... |
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On Mon, 19 Dec 2016 22:50:07 -0500, Brooklyn1
wrote: I'm older than you (73) and I carry water buckets all the time... perhaps you are too old to have horses. From my experience living in the northern Catskills where it gets very cold in winter I have learned that the best way to transport water in winter is in buckets by cart... hoses/pipes are very problematic in winter. And you don't have far to go, 40' is nothing, I can pee 40'. LOL I already answered you, and explained my situation. Perhaps you are too old to comprehend what you read on a newsgroup. If you wish to carry pails, feel free to do so. I don't care to carry buckets of water. Brains are always stronger than muscles. I'll use my brains to design this hose method, and prevent pulled muscles, falls on the ice, and soaked pants legs. If anyone on here can stick to the question, please let me know what materials would work best for this project. |
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Roxopoop wrote:
Brooklyn1 wrote: I'm older than you (73) and I carry water buckets all the time... perhaps you are too old to have horses. From my experience living in the northern Catskills where it gets very cold in winter I have learned that the best way to transport water in winter is in buckets by cart... hoses/pipes are very problematic in winter. And you don't have far to go, 40' is nothing, I can pee 40'. LOL I already answered you, and explained my situation. Perhaps you are too old to comprehend what you read on a newsgroup. If you wish to carry pails, feel free to do so. I don't care to carry buckets of water. Brains are always stronger than muscles. I'll use my brains to design this hose method, and prevent pulled muscles, falls on the ice, and soaked pants legs. Perhaps if you made an appointment with a Urologist you wouldn't be peeing your pants. How nuch mucle do you think is required to drive a tractor... less than walking. And what's with those concrete steps you conveniently invented... if you live with a barn full of horses you have to have enough property to tractor around any concrete steps... do you think a tractor cares that it needs to travel a few feet from as the crow flies... and most any tractor can navigate a whole staircase easier than a horse, like it's just a rough slope. I don't think you possess enough IQ to identify your own dilemma let alone how to resolve it... your only problem is you. This is really all you need and use of a backhoe for an hour... or buy a $15 shovel and hire a strong teen for a day... bury it below the freeze line and wrap the last few feet with thermatape... anyone who keeps horses or any livestock in a cold climate would advise you exactly the same. https://www.lowes.com/pd/Raindrip-5-...Tubing/3136515 https://www.lowes.com/pd/EasyHeat-12...-Cable/1068425 I still think hauling water with a cart hitched to a garden tractor is a better solution. I can't imagine anyone who keeps horses not having at least a small tractor, how do you haul hay bales, how do you haul away all the manure and muck. Even a snow blower can haul a cart. Ask at the local high school, any of their athletes would appreciate a days pay and they'll appreciate the work out too, digging a forty foot trench by hand is a better work out than a whole day pumping iron at Gold's Gym. Hire two, one at each end and they'll meet in the middle, it'll be a competition, they'll finish sooner. I hired two teenage brothers from the HS wrestling team to groom the 350' trench to my barn used to bury the electric line. Cost me the same $250 plus $100 worth of topsoil I would have had to pay the guy who dug the trench only I'd rather give the job to local kids. They hoed out all the rocks into buckets and hauled them with my cart to my creek to fill in eroded spots I pointed out. With the bucket on my tractor I spread topsoil all along the trench and they raked it smooth. Was a good job and they appreciated the pay. Whoa! Scratch all that... you have a barn full of horses, have them haul their own stinkin' water. LOL However, Mr. Poop, you are an ingrate, It's very obvious that you didn't want any help, you posted like any common troll... what kinda pinheaded schmuck can afford to keep horses who can't afford to have someone plumb a teensy 40' water line. DUH |
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Brooklyn1 wrote:
Roxopoop wrote: Brooklyn1 wrote: I'm older than you (73) and I carry water buckets all the time... perhaps you are too old to have horses. From my experience living in the northern Catskills where it gets very cold in winter I have learned that the best way to transport water in winter is in buckets by cart... hoses/pipes are very problematic in winter. And you don't have far to go, 40' is nothing, I can pee 40'. LOL I already answered you, and explained my situation. Perhaps you are too old to comprehend what you read on a newsgroup. If you wish to carry pails, feel free to do so. I don't care to carry buckets of water. Brains are always stronger than muscles. I'll use my brains to design this hose method, and prevent pulled muscles, falls on the ice, and soaked pants legs. Perhaps if you made an appointment with a Urologist you wouldn't be peeing your pants. How nuch mucle do you think is required to drive a tractor... less than walking. And what's with those concrete steps you conveniently invented... if you live with a barn full of horses you have to have enough property to tractor around any concrete steps... do you think a tractor cares that it needs to travel a few feet from as the crow flies... and most any tractor can navigate a whole staircase easier than a horse, like it's just a rough slope. I don't think you possess enough IQ to identify your own dilemma let alone how to resolve it... your only problem is you. This is really all you need and use of a backhoe for an hour... or buy a $15 shovel and hire a strong teen for a day... bury it below the freeze line and wrap the last few feet with thermatape... anyone who keeps horses or any livestock in a cold climate would advise you exactly the same. https://www.lowes.com/pd/Raindrip-5-...Tubing/3136515 https://www.lowes.com/pd/EasyHeat-12...-Cable/1068425 I still think hauling water with a cart hitched to a garden tractor is a better solution. I can't imagine anyone who keeps horses not having at least a small tractor, how do you haul hay bales, how do you haul away all the manure and muck. Even a snow blower can haul a cart. Ask at the local high school, any of their athletes would appreciate a days pay and they'll appreciate the work out too, digging a forty foot trench by hand is a better work out than a whole day pumping iron at Gold's Gym. Hire two, one at each end and they'll meet in the middle, it'll be a competition, they'll finish sooner. I hired two teenage brothers from the HS wrestling team to groom the 350' trench to my barn used to bury the electric line. Cost me the same $250 plus $100 worth of topsoil I would have had to pay the guy who dug the trench only I'd rather give the job to local kids. They hoed out all the rocks into buckets and hauled them with my cart to my creek to fill in eroded spots I pointed out. With the bucket on my tractor I spread topsoil all along the trench and they raked it smooth. Was a good job and they appreciated the pay. Whoa! Scratch all that... you have a barn full of horses, have them haul their own stinkin' water. LOL However, Mr. Poop, you are an ingrate, It's very obvious that you didn't want any help, you posted like any common troll... what kinda pinheaded schmuck can afford to keep horses who can't afford to have someone plumb a teensy 40' water line. DUH Why are you being such a dick ? And who says your way is the only way ? We had horses when I was a kid , we used a hose to fill the tank - but ours was apparently a lot bigger than his because we only had to fill once a week or so . And before you ask , yes it was subfreezing and sometimes subzero weather , we had a heater in the tank . -- Snag |
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Terry Coombs wrote:
Brooklyn1 wrote: Roxopoop wrote: Brooklyn1 wrote: I'm older than you (73) and I carry water buckets all the time... perhaps you are too old to have horses. From my experience living in the northern Catskills where it gets very cold in winter I have learned that the best way to transport water in winter is in buckets by cart... hoses/pipes are very problematic in winter. And you don't have far to go, 40' is nothing, I can pee 40'. LOL I already answered you, and explained my situation. Perhaps you are too old to comprehend what you read on a newsgroup. If you wish to carry pails, feel free to do so. I don't care to carry buckets of water. Brains are always stronger than muscles. I'll use my brains to design this hose method, and prevent pulled muscles, falls on the ice, and soaked pants legs. Perhaps if you made an appointment with a Urologist you wouldn't be peeing your pants. How nuch mucle do you think is required to drive a tractor... less than walking. And what's with those concrete steps you conveniently invented... if you live with a barn full of horses you have to have enough property to tractor around any concrete steps... do you think a tractor cares that it needs to travel a few feet from as the crow flies... and most any tractor can navigate a whole staircase easier than a horse, like it's just a rough slope. I don't think you possess enough IQ to identify your own dilemma let alone how to resolve it... your only problem is you. This is really all you need and use of a backhoe for an hour... or buy a $15 shovel and hire a strong teen for a day... bury it below the freeze line and wrap the last few feet with thermatape... anyone who keeps horses or any livestock in a cold climate would advise you exactly the same. https://www.lowes.com/pd/Raindrip-5-...Tubing/3136515 https://www.lowes.com/pd/EasyHeat-12...-Cable/1068425 I still think hauling water with a cart hitched to a garden tractor is a better solution. I can't imagine anyone who keeps horses not having at least a small tractor, how do you haul hay bales, how do you haul away all the manure and muck. Even a snow blower can haul a cart. Ask at the local high school, any of their athletes would appreciate a days pay and they'll appreciate the work out too, digging a forty foot trench by hand is a better work out than a whole day pumping iron at Gold's Gym. Hire two, one at each end and they'll meet in the middle, it'll be a competition, they'll finish sooner. I hired two teenage brothers from the HS wrestling team to groom the 350' trench to my barn used to bury the electric line. Cost me the same $250 plus $100 worth of topsoil I would have had to pay the guy who dug the trench only I'd rather give the job to local kids. They hoed out all the rocks into buckets and hauled them with my cart to my creek to fill in eroded spots I pointed out. With the bucket on my tractor I spread topsoil all along the trench and they raked it smooth. Was a good job and they appreciated the pay. Whoa! Scratch all that... you have a barn full of horses, have them haul their own stinkin' water. LOL However, Mr. Poop, you are an ingrate, It's very obvious that you didn't want any help, you posted like any common troll... what kinda pinheaded schmuck can afford to keep horses who can't afford to have someone plumb a teensy 40' water line. DUH Why are you being such a dick ? And who says your way is the only way ? We had horses when I was a kid , we used a hose to fill the tank - but ours was apparently a lot bigger than his because we only had to fill once a week or so . And before you ask , yes it was subfreezing and sometimes subzero weather , we had a heater in the tank . Shove a heater up your big black lying ass, COOMBS! Coombs is a black name, a FAGGOT BLACK name. |
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On 2016-12-21 00:29:50 +0000, Brooklyn1 said:
Shove a heater up your big black lying ass, COOMBS! Coombs is a black name, a FAGGOT BLACK name. Everyone get ready for a torrent of lovely and cute photos of B1's precious property and tractor-driving cats. What a pathetic **** you are, Sheldon. |
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Brooklyn1 wrote:
Terry Coombs wrote: Brooklyn1 wrote: However, Mr. Poop, you are an ingrate, It's very obvious that you didn't want any help, you posted like any common troll... what kinda pinheaded schmuck can afford to keep horses who can't afford to have someone plumb a teensy 40' water line. DUH Why are you being such a dick ? And who says your way is the only way ? We had horses when I was a kid , we used a hose to fill the tank - but ours was apparently a lot bigger than his because we only had to fill once a week or so . And before you ask , yes it was subfreezing and sometimes subzero weather , we had a heater in the tank . Shove a heater up your big black lying ass, COOMBS! Coombs is a black name, a FAGGOT BLACK name. My English , Danish , and Viking ancestors would be really surprised to find out that they were all black ... I think I'll wait until after her 3rd consecutive orgasm to let my wife know I'm gay . -- Snag |
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On Tue, 20 Dec 2016 18:13:48 -0600, "Terry Coombs"
wrote: However, Mr. Poop, you are an ingrate, It's very obvious that you didn't want any help, you posted like any common troll... what kinda pinheaded schmuck can afford to keep horses who can't afford to have someone plumb a teensy 40' water line. DUH Why are you being such a dick ? And who says your way is the only way ? We had horses when I was a kid , we used a hose to fill the tank - but ours was apparently a lot bigger than his because we only had to fill once a week or so . And before you ask , yes it was subfreezing and sometimes subzero weather , we had a heater in the tank . -- Snag Yes, I do have a heater in my tank. I also plan to buy a larger tank, since mine is small and does need to be filled too often. (In warm weather I use two of these smaller tanks, but if I have to buy another heater and use twice the electricity, I may as well just get a bigger tank, and will probably save money in the long run, with the price of electricity. As far as your comment about "being such a dick", I see I came to this group for the first time, and apparently snagged the group's resident troll right off the bat. Particularly when this troll has no idea what my property looks like, and the fact that digging in a new hydrant (inside the barn), would require ripping up concrete, and all sorts of other costly things. And yeah, I have 3 farm tractors, none of which I'd even consider trying to drive over concrete steps, and going another direction, would require excavating a hill, and totally changing my fencing. ALL OF WHICH IS TOTALLY UNNECESSARY, when I can spend under $50 to run some cable and rig up a hose to make life easier.... My reason for considering the PEX pipe, is because I was told that it can withstand freezing and not break. Of course, since this "pipeline" will only be connected for the minutes it takes to fill the tank, and water runs down hill, it should not freeze, but I'm still aware that every dip in any pipe or hose, is a spot which will develop ice in cold weather. I guess that means that no matter what I use, I will need to use a lot of wire ties, or wire it so the "dips" are minimal. As far as the foul mouthed resident troll on this newsgroup, I just activated my filters. I guess every newsgroup has at least one of them these days. Probably a big part of the reason that all the newsgoups are dying. Thanks for your reply! |
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Terry Coombs said
Brooklyn1 wrote: Terry Coombs wrote: Brooklyn1 wrote: However, Mr. Poop, you are an ingrate, It's very obvious that you didn't want any help, you posted like any common troll... what kinda pinheaded schmuck can afford to keep horses who can't afford to have someone plumb a teensy 40' water line. DUH Why are you being such a dick ? And who says your way is the only way ? We had horses when I was a kid , we used a hose to fill the tank - but ours was apparently a lot bigger than his because we only had to fill once a week or so . And before you ask , yes it was subfreezing and sometimes subzero weather , we had a heater in the tank . Shove a heater up your big black lying ass, COOMBS! Coombs is a black name, a FAGGOT BLACK name. My English , Danish , and Viking ancestors would be really surprised to find out that they were all black ... I think I'll wait until after her 3rd consecutive orgasm to let my wife know I'm gay . We have an internal USENET server running at our large company. It used to be full of useful conversations and friendly arguement. Those were the days. Sadly, everyone's moved on to Yammer (a panty-wasted POS Facebook look- like with 95% frills and 5% content. Thanks for the above tirade - it's needed peridically to keep the blood flowing. :-) Flame on! --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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