Dear Newsgroup Admin,

It seems the gateway for rec.arts.bonsai has been unsubscribed from the
list, causing non-IBC subscribers using the public newsgroup rec.arts.bonsai
to be excluded from all threads and messages except for those posted by
fellow public subscribers. This isnt 'something on my end' as some are sure
to suggest, several public users of rec.arts.bonsai have made similar
observations.

Day 9 without rec.arts.bonsai.....HELP!

I refer your attention to the message titled 'Your removal from the BONSAI
list' posted on rec.arts.bonsai on the 31 Oct 2005 from HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM
LISTSERV Server , 14.4

Mon, 31 Oct 2005 00:11:20

You have been automatically removed from the BONSAI list (Internet Bonsai
Club) as a result of repeated delivery error reports from your mail
system. This decision was based on the automatic error monitoring policy
in effect for the list, and has not been reviewed or otherwise confirmed
by a human being. If you receive this message, it means that something is
wrong: while you are obviously able to receive mail, your mail system has
been regularly reporting that your account did not exist, or that you
were otherwise permanently unable to receive mail. Here is some
information which may assist you or your local help desk in determining
the cause of the problem:

- The failing address is .

- The first error was reported on 2005-10-26.

- Since then, a total of 13 delivery errors have been received.

- The last reported error was: 5.0.0 X-Unix; 1

PLEASE DO NOT IGNORE THIS MESSAGE. While you can of course re-subscribe
to the list, it is important for you to report this problem to your mail
administrator so that it can be solved. This problem is not specific to
the BONSAI list, and also affects your private mail. This means that YOU
HAVE PROBABLY LOST SOME PRIVATE MAIL AS WELL. Anyone trying to write to
you during the same time frame will probably have received the same
errors for the same reason. The BONSAI list is but one of the many people
who may have tried to write to you while your mail system was
malfunctioning.

DO NOT LET TECHNICAL PEOPLE CONVINCE YOU THAT THIS IS NORMAL. It is never
normal for a mail system to claim that a valid, working account does not
exist, just as it would not be normal for the post office to return some
of your mail with "addressee unknown" when the address was written
correctly. It is true that some mail systems are less reliable than
others, and your technical people may be doing the best they can with the
tools they have. But, ultimately, the level of service that you are
receiving is the result of a business decision, and not something due to
a universal technical limitation that one can only accept. Reliable mail
systems do exist, and it is ultimately up to you to decide whether this
level of service is acceptable or not.

Hi Martin,

I'm replying direct from rec.arts (rather than the list). I see that
rec.arts has been a bit slow, but it is working as far as the lists
connection with news.guy. I'll see if I can find another area where the
problem (if there is one) may be. Otherwise, the link is working.

Regards
Shelly Hurd - List Manager

"Martin" wrote in message ...
Dear Newsgroup Admin,

It seems the gateway for rec.arts.bonsai has been unsubscribed from the
list, causing non-IBC subscribers using the public newsgroup
rec.arts.bonsai
to be excluded from all threads and messages except for those posted by
fellow public subscribers. This isnt 'something on my end' as some are
sure
to suggest, several public users of rec.arts.bonsai have made similar
observations.

Day 9 without rec.arts.bonsai.....HELP!