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[IBC] High chlorine levels in water
Hi Tony,
I do not like to water my trees with chlorinated water but I am also too cheap to buy a R/O system. Chlorine is a very reactive chemical and while it does not appear to have any short term effect I do not advise using it over the long term. If you do have to use it try and use a breaker nozzle to allow as much aeration as possible which will let a fair amount of the chlorine to "boil off". If you can drink it, you can water your trees with it. Chlorine is quite volatile and will dissipate quickly. If you want, you can fill a bucket or barrel with household water and let it stand for a few hours, then dip your sprinkling can in it and water away. But I can't imagine, with all the salts you are putting into your soil when you fertilizer, that the amount of Cl2 in your drinking water is going to do anything -- good or bad -- to your trees. Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - The phrase 'sustainable growth' is an oxymoron. - Stephen Viederman ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Mike Page ++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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[IBC] High chlorine levels in water
Yepper Jim you are correct about chlorine being volatile in fact among the
non-metals only fluorine is more chemically active. What concerns me is the chlorides and chlorates which may occur. Also long term effects on humans and on bonsais are very different due to the life span between the two (I should have the grace of aging that these trees do) and this is just my thoughts on chlorine. Also I do enjoy as many sides as I can, makes me grow without any weight gain. Thanks for the input. Robert "Jim Lewis" wrote in message news:000e01c34a0f$512d6440$a7112cc7@pavilion... Hi Tony, I do not like to water my trees with chlorinated water but I am also too cheap to buy a R/O system. Chlorine is a very reactive chemical and while it does not appear to have any short term effect I do not advise using it over the long term. If you do have to use it try and use a breaker nozzle to allow as much aeration as possible which will let a fair amount of the chlorine to "boil off". If you can drink it, you can water your trees with it. Chlorine is quite volatile and will dissipate quickly. If you want, you can fill a bucket or barrel with household water and let it stand for a few hours, then dip your sprinkling can in it and water away. But I can't imagine, with all the salts you are putting into your soil when you fertilizer, that the amount of Cl2 in your drinking water is going to do anything -- good or bad -- to your trees. Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - The phrase 'sustainable growth' is an oxymoron. - Stephen Viederman ************************************************** ************************** **** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Mike Page ++++ ************************************************** ************************** **** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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[IBC] High chlorine levels in water
Yepper Jim you are correct about chlorine being volatile in
fact among the non-metals only fluorine is more chemically active. What concerns me is the chlorides and chlorates which may occur. Drinking water is chlorinated at about 0.3-0.5 mg/l (1 mg/l = 1 part per million, so this is 1/3 to 1/2 parts chlorine per million parts water). That's still enough to taste or smell. To contrast, one of the standard fertilizers I use for my trees contains 0.1% Chlorine, I dilute the fertilizer a bit, but . . . The fertilizer also contains nitrogen, phosphate, potash, calcium, magnesium, boron, cobalt, copper, iron, manganese, molybdenum, sodium, and zinc in percentages ranging from 9.0% down to 0.00015%. You would NOT want it in your drinking water. But my trees seem to like it. Your drinking water with its small amount of chlorine would be a simple chemical compound in comparison. Also long term effects on humans and on bonsais are very different due to the life span between the two Well, the potential for human damage from chlorine may even be greater because of the carcinogenic compounds that can sometimes be formed when chlorine reacts with some organic materials in the water. This is a subject of some current controversy. The physiologic differences between plants and people simply cannot be compared; neither can the life spans of two such disparate organisms. I can see no relationship between either and chlorine in drinking water. (I should have the grace of aging that these trees do) Well, we get heart rot, cankers, borers, and bacterial, viral, and fungal diseases just like trees (we call them different things). And an old, rotten tree doesn't seem to me to be dying too gracefully; when trees get sick, Ma Nature simply forgets about them and lets them be attacked by everything virulant in the neighborhood. and this is just my thoughts on chlorine. Well, _I_ wouldn't worry about chlorine in drinking water and your bonsai (note: NOT bonsais). But if you do, just let the water stand for a bit. No biggie. There are worse things to worry about, so save your concern for them. Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - The phrase 'sustainable growth' is an oxymoron. - Stephen Viederman ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Mike Page ++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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[IBC] High chlorine levels in water
In our new house I have a pair of whole house filters (Sears, $35 each)
with a sediment filter first & chlorine/other general stuff filter second (Sears, about $5 and $7). I am also going to either run the water line up into the utility room so I can put a whole house with chlorine filter on the outside faucets, or run the outside faucets so they use the 2 existing filters. The trees will be in back with one water garden & later koi pond and I will also have a couple potted trees in the front yard, along with the goldfish pond, 2 water gardens & other container plants. Dusty ----------------------------------- Walk in Beauty Traditional Facets Gemstones, Jewelry, Faceted Opals, Calligraphy & Oriental art supplies, Author of the Rendezvous Cooking series, Birthstones Through the Ages, The Runes, Gemstone & wood rune sets, Panther Tent dealer. ----------------------------------- Spam, UCE and unsolicited sales e-mails will be billed $100 per occurance ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Mike Page ++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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[IBC] High chlorine levels in water
In a message dated 7/15/2003 1:52:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
writes: In our new house I have a pair of whole house filters (Sears, $35 each) with a sediment filter first &chlorine/other general stuff filter second I am not a chemist but I know some filters/conditioners add things to the water. How would a chlorine filter work? Since it is a dissolved gas how can you "filter" it out? Billy on the Florida Space Coast ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Mike Page ++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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[IBC] High chlorine levels in water
"Billy M. Rhodes" wrote:
In a message dated 7/15/2003 1:52:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time, writes: In our new house I have a pair of whole house filters (Sears, $35 each) with a sediment filter first &chlorine/other general stuff filter second I am not a chemist but I know some filters/conditioners add things to the water. How would a chlorine filter work? Since it is a dissolved gas how can you "filter" it out? Billy on the Florida Space Coast I'm not a chemist either, but my understanding is that it evaporates. Is that correct? Letting it stand for awhile can take care of that. Craig Cowing NY Zone 5b/6a Sunset 37 ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Mike Page ++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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