In a message dated 8/9/2003 10:31:21 AM Eastern Standard Time,
writes:

In fact, every tree can NOT be exceptional, because that would
negate the term itself.

However, the possibility should be there; otherwise, why bother?


What we are all dancing around is the SELECTION of suitable materials for
bonsai culture. Here, again, the selection will be based on the tree's
characteristics, the skill level of the practitioner, the growing region and associated
climate, and, importantly, what the practioner can see both now and in the
future.

Selecting the right material will have an incredible impact on the long-term
result.

Cordially,

Michael Persiano
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Iris,

For the collected one that refuses to bud back have you considered making a
literati? Some interesting bends in the trunk and cutting off (possibly
jinning) the lower branches might do the trick. With the longer, softer
foliage of eastern white pine it might make a very graceful tree. However,
the root pruning will probably be a challenge since literati are generally
in smaller pots - it might take several transitional pots.

Marty - after reading all of the other responses

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Subject: [IBC] White Pine

Well, after nursing the collected seedling along, I gave up. It refuses to
bud back any further. I just bought a nursery pine, in a manageable size, at
a
price I can afford. It looks as though it can easily be cut back to bonsai
proportions. The question is scheduling. Can I leave it in the nursery pot
or
should I put it in the ground? I will need it in a pot to take it to a
workshop in
the fall. Can I do any pruning now? It has pretty close internodes, but too
many branches. Also, the branches need to be shortened. When, if ever, can I
prune the roots?
Iris

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MartyWeiser wrote:

Iris,

For the collected one that refuses to bud back have you considered making a
literati? Some interesting bends in the trunk and cutting off (possibly
jinning) the lower branches might do the trick. With the longer, softer
foliage of eastern white pine it might make a very graceful tree. However,
the root pruning will probably be a challenge since literati are generally
in smaller pots - it might take several transitional pots.

Marty - after reading all of the other responses


I've turned one of my collected eastern white pines into a literati. It had a
straight trunk that went out at a 45 degree angle. About 1/3 up the trunk I cut a
large wedge, wrapped the area in raffia, and bent it downward, then put a kink in
the lower 1/3. I'm going to leave it for the rest of the year and check it in the
spring and probably repot. As Marty said, you have to watch the roots. The
foliage on mine is on the outermost 1/3.

Craig Cowing
NY
Zone 5b/6a Sunset 37

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In a message dated 8/10/03 12:05:02 AM, writes:
For the collected one that refuses to bud back have you considered making a
literati?

There wasn't enough there even for a literati. After buying a cultivated tree
with lots of branches, I threw it out. It didn't have any new roots.
Iris

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In a message dated 8/7/03 3:36:40 PM, writes:
I understand there are some dwarf cultivars that bud back. * Anita Hawkins
tells me she has one.

I tried getting one. Bill took one look at it & said it would never be
suitable for bonsai. I put it in the garden. This is the standard form, but it was
raised nicely.

If you put it in the ground it will take off so quickly you'll never catch
up with it.

That's what I thought.

Marty Haber writes:
If you have an Eastern white pine, you have a headache. Long needles, hard
to transplant, even in spring; and those long internodes you were mentioning.


This one has been kept sheared, & the internodes are not that long. With
bonsai training, the needles are better than ponderosa pine, thank you.

Work on it at the workshop, then bury it in the ground for the winter. *
Next spring you can put it in a bonsai pot, but you still have to be careful
with those ticklish roots.

Sounds good. Thanks.
Iris


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