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[IBC] Dying Red Mayple
Morning all,
Here I am again with another question. My next door neighbor is moving and she has a 3-3 1/2' Red Mayple and it is not growing nor doing anything, in fact It has only one red leaf on it at the present. It seems to be dying, question.. If we dug it up and croped it back to where the live leaf is, and trimmed the roots, might it then grow as a Bonsai? Otherwise it will just sit there and die. I would like to try at least and see, who knows, it might live that way. Any opions greatly appreciated.. Barb Zone 9 North of Houston ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Lisa Kanis++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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[IBC] Dying Red Mayple
Barb,
Are you sure the maple is not going into fall dormancy and shedding its leaves? Collecting now is not as successful as in spring, but if the tree is going to be unavailable than go for it. Jerry Meislik Whitefish Montana USA Zone 4-5 http://www.bonsaihunk.8m.com/ Morning all, Here I am again with another question. My next door neighbor is moving and she has a 3-3 1/2' Red Mayple and it is not growing nor doing anything, in fact It has only one red leaf on it at the present. It seems to be dying, question.. If we dug it up and croped it back to where the live leaf is, and trimmed the roots, might it then grow as a Bonsai? Otherwise it will just sit there and die. I would like to try at least and see, who knows, it might live that way. Any opions greatly appreciated.. Barb Zone 9 North of Houston ************************************************** **************************** ** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Lisa Kanis++++ ************************************************** **************************** ** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Lisa Kanis++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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[IBC] Dying Red Mayple
Jerry Meislik wrote:
Barb, Are you sure the maple is not going into fall dormancy and shedding its leaves? Collecting now is not as successful as in spring, but if the tree is going to be unavailable than go for it. Jerry Meislik Whitefish Montana USA Zone 4-5 I've collected many deciduous trees in the fall with equal success to spring collecting. I suspect this tree is doing exactly what you suggest, Jerry--shedding it's leaves. They tend to do that. Craig Cowing NY Zone 5b/6a Sunset 37 ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Lisa Kanis++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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[IBC] Dying Red Mayple
The only thing I would add to these suggestions is a
precaution on keeping the plant tto wet over the winter. Soil should be moist, but not soggie. Something like pumice, perlite, or Turface would be a good medium. Kitsune Miko --- Craig Cowing wrote: Jerry Meislik wrote: Barb, Are you sure the maple is not going into fall dormancy and shedding its leaves? Collecting now is not as successful as in spring, but if the tree is going to be unavailable than go for it. Jerry Meislik Whitefish Montana USA Zone 4-5 I've collected many deciduous trees in the fall with equal success to spring collecting. I suspect this tree is doing exactly what you suggest, Jerry--shedding it's leaves. They tend to do that. Craig Cowing NY Zone 5b/6a Sunset 37 ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Lisa Kanis++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Lisa Kanis++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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[IBC] Dying Red Mayple
Jerry Meislik wrote:
Barb, Are you sure the maple is not going into fall dormancy and shedding its leaves? Collecting now is not as successful as in spring, but if the tree is going to be unavailable than go for it. Jerry Meislik Whitefish Montana USA Zone 4-5 I've collected many deciduous trees in the fall with equal success to spring collecting. I suspect this tree is doing exactly what you suggest, Jerry--shedding it's leaves. They tend to do that. MUCH too early to be losing leaves in Zone 9, which is where she lives. There should not even be any color yet. Mine in Zone 8 is still green. Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - The phrase 'sustainable growth' is an oxymoron. - Stephen Viederman ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Lisa Kanis++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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[IBC] Dying Red Mayple
MUCH too early to be losing leaves in Zone 9, which
is where she lives. There should not even be any color yet. Mine in Zone 8 is still green. Yeah, but maples can drop leaves if stressed and then leaf out again. Not a good thing to let happen, but they do come back if the stress is not too great. You want to keep the thing dormant until spring. So it should be kept in low light. The pruning you will do will balance the pruning that will happen to the roots. Scratch the bark with your finger nail. If you see a healthy green, the tree is alive. If you don't see the green, don't bother digging. Kitsune Miko ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Lisa Kanis++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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[IBC] Dying Red Mayple
Kitsune Miko wrote:
MUCH too early to be losing leaves in Zone 9, which is where she lives. There should not even be any color yet. Mine in Zone 8 is still green. And on the other end, my red maples in zone 5b/6a are completely bare! Yeah, but maples can drop leaves if stressed and then leaf out again. Not a good thing to let happen, but they do come back if the stress is not too great. You want to keep the thing dormant until spring. snip Kitsune Miko For that matter, if the tree is indeed stressed, she shouldn't dig it until spring. Craig Cowing NY Zone 5b/6a Sunset 37 ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Lisa Kanis++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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[IBC] Dying Red Mayple
Huston is very hot during the summer now we are in october and I do
not know if a maple there in Huston shoud react as if he was in Chicago... Theo Craig Cowing wrote: Jerry Meislik wrote: Barb, Are you sure the maple is not going into fall dormancy and shedding its leaves? Collecting now is not as successful as in spring, but if the tree is going to be unavailable than go for it. Jerry Meislik Whitefish Montana USA Zone 4-5 I've collected many deciduous trees in the fall with equal success to spring collecting. I suspect this tree is doing exactly what you suggest, Jerry--shedding it's leaves. They tend to do that. Craig Cowing NY Zone 5b/6a Sunset 37 ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Lisa Kanis++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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[IBC] Dying Red Mayple
Folks, if I remember the original poster's comment,
the tree is doomed if it isn't collected now. So the best advise is to discuss how this tree can be most safely dug. In California, I transplant many things now and they survive because of the aftercare. So what would be the prime aftercare for this maple in ?Texas? Kitsune Miko --- Theo wrote: Huston is very hot during the summer now we are in october and I do not know if a maple there in Huston shoud react as if he was in Chicago... Theo Craig Cowing wrote: Jerry Meislik wrote: Barb, Are you sure the maple is not going into fall dormancy and shedding its leaves? Collecting now is not as successful as in spring, but if the tree is going to be unavailable than go for it. Jerry Meislik Whitefish Montana USA Zone 4-5 I've collected many deciduous trees in the fall with equal success to spring collecting. I suspect this tree is doing exactly what you suggest, Jerry--shedding it's leaves. They tend to do that. Craig Cowing NY Zone 5b/6a Sunset 37 ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Lisa Kanis++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Lisa Kanis++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Lisa Kanis++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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[IBC] Dying Red Mayple
Zone 9 is at the penultimate southern range of the Japanese red
maple (it's actually TOO hot for them there -- especially in pots), and pretty close to the red line on the American red maple, though they (the American tree) do grow in Miami, which is zone 10. So, in an area like Houston, you can figure that it won't take much to stress either species, and as someone said it is NOT advisable to dig a stressed tree if there's any way to avoid it. Over the winter in the south (and Houston qualifies ;-), it should be cut back (in place) and watered copiously. A high P and K fertilizer probably wouldn't hurt at this time of year, either. Scatter some superphosphate and wood ash around the base of the tree and water in well. Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - The phrase 'sustainable growth' is an oxymoron. - Stephen Viederman Huston is very hot during the summer now we are in october and I do not know if a maple there in Huston shoud react as if he was in Chicago... Theo ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Lisa Kanis++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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[IBC] Dying Red Mayple
Barb: You might want to consult the BCI Species Guide on Acer rubrum at
http://bonsai-bci.com/species/rubrum.html Alan Walker, Lake Charles, LA, USA http://LCBSBonsai.org http://bonsai-bci.com ================================ Jim Lewis wrote: Zone 9 is at the penultimate southern range of the Japanese red maple (it's actually TOO hot for them there -- especially in pots), and pretty close to the red line on the American red maple, though they (the American tree) do grow in Miami, which is zone 10. So, in an area like Houston, you can figure that it won't take much to stress either species, and as someone said it is NOT advisable to dig a stressed tree if there's any way to avoid it. Over the winter in the south (and Houston qualifies ;-), it should be cut back (in place) and watered copiously. A high P and K fertilizer probably wouldn't hurt at this time of year, either. Scatter some superphosphate and wood ash around the base of the tree and water in well. Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - The phrase 'sustainable growth' is an oxymoron. - Stephen Viederman ===== Houston is very hot during the summer. now we are in october, and I do not know if a maple there in Houston should react as if he was in Chicago... Theo ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Lisa Kanis++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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[IBC] Dying Red Mayple
Hi
The point is that the person that wants to collect it knows nothing about maples nor about their care , so she thinks *is doomed* this is the hinge of all problems is it mostly dead.. so witdrowing from ground will definitively kill it or is just in a dvanced dormancy.. ? could she wait until spring? in spring if it will sprout again it means it is ok if will not it means that was going to die anyway. if it is really going to die she will do an useless job to take it away .. if it is not she will have all chanches to make a Bonsai next spring.. should she try to just keep the soil moist during this time until spring , and that's all Theo Kitsune Miko wrote: Folks, if I remember the original poster's comment, the tree is doomed if it isn't collected now. So the best advise is to discuss how this tree can be most safely dug. In California, I transplant many things now and they survive because of the aftercare. So what would be the prime aftercare for this maple in ?Texas? Kitsune Miko --- Theo wrote: Huston is very hot during the summer now we are in october and I do not know if a maple there in Huston shoud react as if he was in Chicago... Theo Craig Cowing wrote: +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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[IBC] Dying Red Mayple
Morning all,
Here I am again with another question. My next door neighbor is moving and she has a 3-3 1/2' Red Mayple and it is not growing nor doing anything, in fact It has only one red leaf on it at the present. It seems to be dying, question.. If we dug it up and croped it back to where the live leaf is, and trimmed the roots, might it then grow as a Bonsai? Otherwise it will just sit there and die. I would like to try at least and see, who knows, it might live that way. Any opions greatly appreciated.. Barb Zone 9 North of Houston In Zone 9, _I_ would let it go. Few, if any, Japanese red maples (Acer palmatum and it's 1,001 cultivars) do well in climates warmer than zone 8 (where I am) -- and they often struggle here. The fact that it is 3 feet tall and has one leaf at the end of your long, hot summer is probably indicative that this tree is very unhappy. It is unlikely to be any less unhappy in a bonsai pot. Dig it if you want, but then never let it see full sun. Even morning sun where you are may be too much. And it's likely to even be too warm in full shade. In a pot, near-continuous misting would be mandatory in warm months. And even then . . . Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - The phrase 'sustainable growth' is an oxymoron. - Stephen Viederman ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Lisa Kanis++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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