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28-10-2003, 03:22 PM
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[IBC] Spirit of Bonsai Design by Chye Tan
I'm seeing this book listed in various book sites. Anyone own it? Thoughts?
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28-10-2003, 04:02 PM
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[IBC] Spirit of Bonsai Design by Chye Tan
I'm seeing this book listed in various book sites. Anyone own
it? Thoughts? David J. Bockman, Fairfax, VA (USDA Hardiness Zone 7) Bunabayashi Bonsai On The World Wide Web: http://www.bunabayashi.com email: It appears to be not out yet -- or JUST out. I checked several sites that offered it and they said September release -- or October release. Prices ranged from $29 plus (which seems to be the standard for bonsai books these days) to $15 plus. There also appear to be no other books out by the author, who is unknown to me. If it truly is on the design and not just another basic, how-to book, it may be worth looking at. I've quit buying new basic books. Most of them are carbon copies of one another. If someone buys it, please do a mini-review to be added to our IBC website's list of books. Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - The phrase 'sustainable growth' is an oxymoron. - Stephen Viederman ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Lisa Kanis++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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29-10-2003, 06:32 AM
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[IBC] Spirit of Bonsai Design by Chye Tan
G'day all...
Not a mini review, but from Amazon: Spirit of Bonsai Design by Chye Tan Synopsis Written from a Zen perspective, this guide shows how an understanding of Zen aesthetics and its profound influence on bonsai design can improve your skills at shaping, displaying and appreciating bonsai. For example, most bonsai feature a triangular shape because it symbolizes the relationship between life-giving force, the artist and the work created. Similarly, bonsai trees are planted off-centre because they represent heaven and earth. The central point in the pot is where heaven and earth meet and nothing is allowed to occupy this space. Aimed at both novice and more experienced bonsai enthusiasts, the book explains the key stages of creating bonsai, from first inspirations in nature and choosing your tree to appropriate shaping techniques and practicalities such as root trimming and watering. The book features photographs and annotated illustrations of each major style and a gallery of bonsai masterpieces taken from the collections of some of the world's most famous masters of the art. ####### Have a good day... Pat Dez of the Arizona High Dezert, at 4550', Oracle, AZ, 2000' above Tucson Sunset Zone 10 USDA Zone 8 aka: Pat Patterson 'riding off in all directions' |
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29-10-2003, 01:42 PM
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[IBC] Spirit of Bonsai Design by Chye Tan
G'day all...
Not a mini review, but from Amazon: Spirit of Bonsai Design by Chye Tan Synopsis Written from a Zen perspective, this guide shows how an understanding of Zen aesthetics and its profound influence on bonsai design can improve your skills at shaping, displaying and appreciating bonsai. For example, most bonsai feature a triangular shape because it symbolizes the relationship between life-giving force, the artist and the work created. Similarly, bonsai trees are planted off-centre because they represent heaven and earth. The central point in the pot is where heaven and earth meet and nothing is allowed to occupy this space. Aimed at both novice and more experienced bonsai enthusiasts, the book explains the key stages of creating bonsai, from first inspirations in nature and choosing your tree to appropriate shaping techniques and practicalities such as root trimming and watering. The book features photographs and annotated illustrations of each major style and a gallery of bonsai masterpieces taken from the collections of some of the world's most famous masters of the art. ####### Thanks, Pat . . . Reading that (especially the part after "Aimed at both novice and .. . ."), it sounds like the same old, same old -- with a Zennish gimmick. None of my local stores have it in stock, yet. I think I'd have to see it in the flesh before I plunked cash for it. Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - VEGETARIAN: An Indian word meaning "lousy hunter." (Borrowed from a sig by fellow listowner, Scott Peterson) ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Lisa Kanis++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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29-10-2003, 07:42 PM
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[IBC] Spirit of Bonsai Design by Chye Tan
Hi All,
I have followed my beginners course with Chye Yan. he lives about an 1/2 hour drive from here. If his book is only half as good as his trees I'll buy it... I know this is not his first book. regards, René regards, René "Jim Lewis" schreef in bericht news:007d01c39e1e$1ca21e60$51112cc7@pavilion... G'day all... Not a mini review, but from Amazon: Spirit of Bonsai Design by Chye Tan Synopsis Written from a Zen perspective, this guide shows how an understanding of Zen aesthetics and its profound influence on bonsai design can improve your skills at shaping, displaying and appreciating bonsai. For example, most bonsai feature a triangular shape because it symbolizes the relationship between life-giving force, the artist and the work created. Similarly, bonsai trees are planted off-centre because they represent heaven and earth. The central point in the pot is where heaven and earth meet and nothing is allowed to occupy this space. Aimed at both novice and more experienced bonsai enthusiasts, the book explains the key stages of creating bonsai, from first inspirations in nature and choosing your tree to appropriate shaping techniques and practicalities such as root trimming and watering. The book features photographs and annotated illustrations of each major style and a gallery of bonsai masterpieces taken from the collections of some of the world's most famous masters of the art. ####### Thanks, Pat . . . Reading that (especially the part after "Aimed at both novice and . . ."), it sounds like the same old, same old -- with a Zennish gimmick. None of my local stores have it in stock, yet. I think I'd have to see it in the flesh before I plunked cash for it. Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - VEGETARIAN: An Indian word meaning "lousy hunter." (Borrowed from a sig by fellow listowner, Scott Peterson) ************************************************** ************************** **** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Lisa Kanis++++ ************************************************** ************************** **** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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29-10-2003, 10:43 PM
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[IBC] Spirit of Bonsai Design by Chye Tan
Hi All,
I have followed my beginners course with Chye Yan. he lives about an 1/2 hour drive from here. If his book is only half as good as his trees I'll buy it... I know this is not his first book. regards, René Where's "here?" Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - VEGETARIAN: An Indian word meaning "lousy hunter." (Borrowed from a sig by fellow listowner, Scott Peterson) ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Lisa Kanis++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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30-10-2003, 12:42 AM
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[IBC] Spirit of Bonsai Design by Chye Tan
Greetings:
I am sorry to chime in, but I would be very interested to find out where Mr. Chye Tan gained his experience with Zen Buddhism. Spending more than five years looking for a connection, I would be willing to travel anywhere in the U.S. or Japan to interview him as he would be my first direct connection. My definition of "experience" is PRACTICE, as in meditation at a recognized religious facility where bonsai was part of the organization's religion related activity. I am looking for facts and primary sources, not hearsay. Any leads will be greatly appreciated and will be properly credited upon publication of the material. Sincerely yours. Gassho! (Any Zen practitioner will understand this.) Peter Aradi Tulsa, Oklahoma ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Lisa Kanis++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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30-10-2003, 03:02 AM
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[IBC] Spirit of Bonsai Design by Chye Tan
Greetings:
I am sorry to chime in, but I would be very interested to find out where Mr. Chye Tan gained his experience with Zen Buddhism. Chime away, Peter. I was wondering the same thing you obviously are. I have _never_ read anything reliable that tells me that Zen and Bonsai have any direct connection -- but _I_ am not even close to being an expert, so was reluctant to do any chiming myself. Of course, you can bring Zen into anything you do, I suppose -- even motorcycle maintenance. ;-) Anyway, when I finally see the book, I'll at least glance at it to see how he ties bonsai and Zen together. This fellow's name _sounds_ Chinese; Zen Buddhism, of course, was borrowed from China, but matured in Japan. I suppose he could be espousing an early Chinese tie in. IMHO, bonsai and Taoism may have a closer connection, back during the early Chinese roots of artistic trees in pots. But that, too, is tenuous. ;-) Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - The phrase 'sustainable growth' is an oxymoron. - Stephen Viederman ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Lisa Kanis++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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30-10-2003, 04:12 PM
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[IBC] Spirit of Bonsai Design by Chye Tan
Jim Lewis wrote:
Greetings: I am sorry to chime in, but I would be very interested to find out where Mr. Chye Tan gained his experience with Zen Buddhism. Chime away, Peter. I was wondering the same thing you obviously are. I have _never_ read anything reliable that tells me that Zen and Bonsai have any direct connection -- but _I_ am not even close to being an expert, so was reluctant to do any chiming myself. Of course, you can bring Zen into anything you do, I suppose -- even motorcycle maintenance. ;-) snip Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - The phrase 'sustainable growth' is an oxymoron. - Stephen Viederman The historical connection between bonsai and Zen may be difficult to establish, but why can't a person from any given religious or philosophical persuasion import their faith *into* bonsai? For example, Iris Cohen and I have both found very strong links with our respective branches of the Judeo-Christian heritage, yet the people who first conceived of bonsai however many years ago certainly weren't Jewish or Christian. We need to remember that just as bonsai is an art that continues to evolve in terms of techniques, so it is also a philosophical discipline (for some) which continues to evolve as well. Just because the author under discussion has made a connection with bonsai and Zen, does that mean he is claiming that there is a historical connection? Craig Cowing NY Zone 5b/6a Sunset 37 ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Lisa Kanis++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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30-10-2003, 04:42 PM
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[IBC] Spirit of Bonsai Design by Chye Tan
Elize:
If you can get verifyable information that Mr. Chye have experience and practiced meditation at a recognized religious facility where bonsai was part of the organization's religion related activity I will travel to Holland to interview him within 12 months of receiving the data. As I said before, I am looking for facts and primary sources, not hearsay. Sincerely yours. Peter Aradi Tulsa, Oklahoma ----- Original Message ----- From: "elize marie mann" To: Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 9:24 AM Subject: [IBC] Spirit of Bonsai Design by Chye Tan Chye lives in Holland. Gr. Elize Marie mann Epe Holland ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht ----- Van: "p.aradi" Aan: Verzonden: donderdag 30 oktober 2003 1:17 Onderwerp: [IBC] Spirit of Bonsai Design by Chye Tan Greetings: I am sorry to chime in, but I would be very interested to find out where Mr. Chye Tan gained his experience with Zen Buddhism. Spending more than five years looking for a connection, I would be willing to travel anywhere in the U.S. or Japan to interview him as he would be my first direct connection. My definition of "experience" is PRACTICE, as in meditation at a recognized religious facility where bonsai was part of the organization's religion related activity. I am looking for facts and primary sources, not hearsay. Any leads will be greatly appreciated and will be properly credited upon publication of the material. Sincerely yours. Gassho! (Any Zen practitioner will understand this.) Peter Aradi Tulsa, Oklahoma ************************************************** ************************** **** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Lisa Kanis++++ ************************************************** ************************ ** **** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ ************************************************** ************************** **** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Lisa Kanis++++ ************************************************** ************************** **** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Lisa Kanis++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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30-10-2003, 05:02 PM
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[IBC] Spirit of Bonsai Design by Chye Tan
Craig:
You absolutely correct regarding historical connection. Unfortunately it is implied in all "Zen and the Art of ?????" books. So please consider the following. I have just looked at the book section of Amazon.com and found the following titles. It is only a small and partial list: Zen and the art of... Motorcycle maintenance Archery Martial arts Making a living Stand-up comedy Writing Pottery Just sitting Leadership Murder Guitar Gardening Stick fighting Cooking Painting Postm,odern philosophy Controlled accident Windsurfing Calligraphy Teaching Screen writing Climbing mountains Slaying vampires Macintosh Street fighting Diabetes maintenance Snowboarding Loving Casino gaming Poker Knitting Falling in love Travel Golf Monologu8e Anything etc., etc. Christian had a far greater influence on our culture and you as a clergyman is much better qualified to address that than I. Yet, I have not found anywhere a title like "Presbyterian way to bowling" or the "Southern Baptists an the Art of NASCAR." I think by now you get the point. Mentioning Zen invokes a strange, exotic, inscrutable Orient that Westerners can't really understand. So let's use it in the title or the book and sell some books. How about "Zen and the Internet" with matching volumes on "Catholicism and Websurfing," "Java and Jews," and "Managing email accounts for Muslims." Cheers. Peter Aradi Tulsa, Oklahoma ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Cowing" To: Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 9:40 AM Subject: [IBC] Spirit of Bonsai Design by Chye Tan Jim Lewis wrote: Greetings: I am sorry to chime in, but I would be very interested to find out where Mr. Chye Tan gained his experience with Zen Buddhism. Chime away, Peter. I was wondering the same thing you obviously are. I have _never_ read anything reliable that tells me that Zen and Bonsai have any direct connection -- but _I_ am not even close to being an expert, so was reluctant to do any chiming myself. Of course, you can bring Zen into anything you do, I suppose -- even motorcycle maintenance. ;-) snip Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - The phrase 'sustainable growth' is an oxymoron. - Stephen Viederman The historical connection between bonsai and Zen may be difficult to establish, but why can't a person from any given religious or philosophical persuasion import their faith *into* bonsai? For example, Iris Cohen and I have both found very strong links with our respective branches of the Judeo-Christian heritage, yet the people who first conceived of bonsai however many years ago certainly weren't Jewish or Christian. We need to remember that just as bonsai is an art that continues to evolve in terms of techniques, so it is also a philosophical discipline (for some) which continues to evolve as well. Just because the author under discussion has made a connection with bonsai and Zen, does that mean he is claiming that there is a historical connection? Craig Cowing NY Zone 5b/6a Sunset 37 ************************************************** ************************** **** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Lisa Kanis++++ ************************************************** ************************** **** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Lisa Kanis++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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30-10-2003, 05:42 PM
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[IBC] Spirit of Bonsai Design by Chye Tan
"p.aradi" wrote:
Craig: You absolutely correct regarding historical connection. Unfortunately it is implied in all "Zen and the Art of ?????" books. So please consider the following. I have just looked at the book section of Amazon.com and found the following titles. It is only a small and partial list: Zen and the art of... snip Christian had a far greater influence on our culture and you as a clergyman is much better qualified to address that than I. Yet, I have not found anywhere a title like "Presbyterian way to bowling" or the "Southern Baptists an the Art of NASCAR." I think by now you get the point. Mentioning Zen invokes a strange, exotic, inscrutable Orient that Westerners can't really understand. So let's use it in the title or the book and sell some books. No, but I do have a book entitled "The Bonsai Theory of Church Growth." How about "Zen and the Internet" with matching volumes on "Catholicism and Websurfing," "Java and Jews," and "Managing email accounts for Muslims." Cheers. Peter Aradi Tulsa, Oklahoma Peter: You're right, Zen is associated with mystery and has become a buzz word in our culture, used by people who have absolutely no understanding of or appreciation for Zen as a discipline. No, there aren't books with titles such as you suggest, but Christianity has been hijacked plenty of times by people looking for higher justifications for their actions--witness the under-secretary of Defense recently who told a church group that the US Army was a Christian army, implying that this "christian" army is on a crusade in the Middle East. Very dangerous IMHO. In terms of Christian concepts being taken over by a wider culture, I offer as examples Christmas and Easter, with much of what our culture has done to these observances having nothing to do with the birth or death/resurrection of Jesus. Believe me, I am sympathetic to your concern about how Zen has been hijacked by popular culture. It is probably unnerving. Craig Cowing NY Zon4 5b/6a Sunset 37 ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Lisa Kanis++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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31-10-2003, 07:42 AM
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[IBC] Spirit of Bonsai Design by Chye Tan
G'day all...
Jim said "...I'd have to see it in the flesh before I plunked cash for it..." I'm with you on that one Jim. Have a good day... Pat...in South Eastern Arizona where we are getting California's smoke... Dez of the Arizona High Dezert, at 4550', Oracle, AZ, 2000' above Tucson Sunset Zone 10 USDA Zone 8 aka: Pat Patterson 'riding off in all directions' |
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