This might explain the whole thing. It seems the mixture was
too
concentrated. Also the watering was done by placing it in a
few
inches of water so the soil never got a chance to wash out.
Lot of
the leaves fell into the plant too and some of the soap residue
might
have gone into the soil because the leaf drop seems to have
accelerated recently. Plant is not robust enough to replant
but we
did replace the soil on the outside. I am wondering if we can
give
the soil a good wash by watering it from the top for a few
minutes.
Will this be too much water?


Repotting seldom hurts a sick plant, especially if roots are the
problem.

I recall you saying you watered every 3-4 days. That sounds
pretty good, but do you check the soil before you water? It
should be barely damp to the touch, or even dry. Your
description of brown-turning-black leaves is typical of a root
problem, and the most common root problem is too much water
and
rotted roots.

I water it after testing the soil by inserting the finger about
1/2"
deep. If it is damp then it is not watered.

What kind of soil is it in? And, oh yes, are there rocks
glued
onto the top of the soil?

It was in soild that came orignially with the plant. I am not
sure
about "rocks glued onto ..." What do you mean by that?

If you can jam your finger into the soil, there aren't any
rocks -- and if they were there, you'd know it. ;-)


As the tree is probably leafless now, it will want less water
since it no longer is transpiring through the leaves.

Noted.

_I_ would lift the tree from its pot and take a close look at
the
roots. They should be yellow-brown and firm, not black and
soggy-crumbly.

The roots seem fine.

Others have already told you that Serissa lose their leaves
when
you even look cross-eyed at them, but this sounds more
serious;
usually the leaves just turn yellow and drop off. Then they
immediately (almost) resprout.

Strange thing is that there is a little bit of growth but when
leaves
get bigger they die out. Also some of the leaves are
disproportionately large but that is because they are close to
the
light source.


Gosh, that STILL sounds like a root problem. Those new leaves
are sprouting from the nutrient reserves the tree has stored up
for the winter. The fact that they're dying right away indicates
to me that there's nothing much _beyond_ those reserves. It
doesn't sound to me like there is a lot of hope, but _I_ would
repot into a shallow, LARGER pot (maybe an azalea pot???), using
a coarse bonsai soil, then would set it aside in a cool spot, but
still where it gets at least 12 hours of good light.

BTW, large leaves usually indicate the light level is too LOW --
the tree is trying its darndest to increase the surface area to
allow at least some photosynthesis.

Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Nature
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HI

Jim wrote:

On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 08:44:40 +0100, Theo wrote:

Leaves have been burned out by acids from soap and incandescence bulbs
if you can make a Cold shelter like a Cardboard box put it inside
and cover with Transparent plastic to make a sort of show window case
Serissa should live actually between -5 to+ 14 ° Celsius degress no
more in the winther time I mean -- Put the pot inside a box filled
with peat to protect from hard winter cold or if she has lost most of
leaves you can put it even in a dark cold room like a garage or in the
basement
keep the soil moist but not soggy
will sprout again


It seems that it is almost gone. Are you suggesting that if I put it
in near a window, where it is colder, and cover it with a cardboard
box on all sides, thus making it dark, that it will sprout again in
May when summer weather returns? I don't have a basement or a garage.

well if you keep it inside the apt behind a window glasspanel and
put a cardboard box around you built up a cold green house and it
is ok !
from the open side facing theh window pane will receive ligh be
careful that temps does not go under -5 :-).. you are in Canada !
let the soil dry at 80% before water again so it might take 5
days to one week probably , and spry some water on the leaves .. and
leave it quiet
If the soil is one of the woirst kind teh cardboard one browniswsh
make little holes with a tootpick to let water permeate it .. and
as soon as the season allows it change the soil
Theo


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HI

Jim wrote:

On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 08:44:40 +0100, Theo wrote:

Leaves have been burned out by acids from soap and incandescence bulbs
if you can make a Cold shelter like a Cardboard box put it inside
and cover with Transparent plastic to make a sort of show window case
Serissa should live actually between -5 to+ 14 ° Celsius degress no
more in the winther time I mean -- Put the pot inside a box filled
with peat to protect from hard winter cold or if she has lost most of
leaves you can put it even in a dark cold room like a garage or in the
basement
keep the soil moist but not soggy
will sprout again


It seems that it is almost gone. Are you suggesting that if I put it
in near a window, where it is colder, and cover it with a cardboard
box on all sides, thus making it dark, that it will sprout again in
May when summer weather returns? I don't have a basement or a garage.

well if you keep it inside the apt behind a window glasspanel and
put a cardboard box around you built up a cold green house and it
is ok !
from the open side facing theh window pane will receive ligh be
careful that temps does not go under -5 :-).. you are in Canada !
let the soil dry at 80% before water again so it might take 5
days to one week probably , and spry some water on the leaves .. and
leave it quiet
If the soil is one of the woirst kind teh cardboard one browniswsh
make little holes with a tootpick to let water permeate it .. and
as soon as the season allows it change the soil
Theo


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Thanks for all your help. I repotted the plant and I noticed that
roots were all fine and brown/yellow in colour. It is sitting near a
window so it will get about 1.5hr of direct sunlight in the morning.
There is a small humidity tray as well so now it is up to Serissa to
shape up or ship out!

j

So now as you repotted and I hope you watered well
next watering will be ONLY when the soil will be dried to 80% not before
Try to get sense and the habit to judge by sight ( the color of
soil) the fineer touch, soggy, wet, moist ,almost, dry,dry when water
is needed again or when can wait for 1-2 days more ...
Let you dear Serisse recuperate properly :-) all will be ok but
overbabysittings bonsai is as dangerous as lack of care..
Theo

Jim wrote:

Thanks for all your help. I repotted the plant and I noticed that
roots were all fine and brown/yellow in colour. It is sitting near a
window so it will get about 1.5hr of direct sunlight in the morning.
There is a small humidity tray as well so now it is up to Serissa to
shape up or ship out!

j

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