Mountain Hemlocks do best in semi-shade. The main problem is adalgid
invasion. If you see puffy white stuff in the crotches of small branches,
you've got them. If you see only a few, use a cotton swab and alcohol to
remove them: if too many for that, use Diazonon or other systemic.
Marty
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Subject: [IBC] experience with Mountain Hemlock?


I picked up a young Mountain Hemlock from Bonsai Northwest's nursery
today. Anyone willing to share their experiences with this tree?
Advice?


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Mountain Hemlocks do best in semi-shade. The main problem is
adalgid
invasion. If you see puffy white stuff in the crotches of
small branches,
you've got them. If you see only a few, use a cotton swab and
alcohol to
remove them: if too many for that, use Diazonon or other
systemic.

This too, but in MY book the main problem is its slowness --
approaching slothfulness. They just SIT there. If they add a
quarter-inch a year, you're doing well.

Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Only where
people have learned to appreciate and cherish the landscape and
its living cover will they treat it with the care and respect it
should have - Paul Bigelow Sears.

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I think you guys are talking about a different animal Tsuga canadensis
and not Mountain Hemlock (Tsuga mertensiana).
Mountain Hemlock are not under story trees but require full light and
they do not get hemlock woolly adelgid, Adelges tsugae not that I have
ever heard of. The growth rate is moderate depending on your level of
cultural practice i.e. fertilizer etc.
Any good draining soil works, an organic mix with lava 50/50 or 60 lava
40 organic seems to be what most people use. Do not let them dry out in
the spring during bud break. Any other problems just contact anyone in
the Puget Sound club.
Anton
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From: Internet Bonsai Club ] On Behalf
Of Jim Lewis
Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 5:52 AM
To:
Subject: [IBC] experience with Mountain Hemlock?

Mountain Hemlocks do best in semi-shade. The main problem is
adalgid
invasion. If you see puffy white stuff in the crotches of
small branches,
you've got them. If you see only a few, use a cotton swab and
alcohol to
remove them: if too many for that, use Diazonon or other
systemic.

This too, but in MY book the main problem is its slowness --
approaching slothfulness. They just SIT there. If they add a
quarter-inch a year, you're doing well.

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They just sit there.
Quite true. I believe hemlocks are the slowest growers (with the exception
of some hybrid pines, i.e. Adcock's),
but slowness has its advantages - less pruning, easier after-care.
Marty
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Subject: [IBC] experience with Mountain Hemlock?



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Mountain Hemlock make wonderful bonsai subjects. As Marty noted, semi shade
is best, and they like to stay a little on the moist side. I don't think
you need to worry about slow growth, mine will put out 1/2" to 1" long new
shoots if I don't pinch the new growth. I avoid fertilizing early in the
year to keep the spring growth spurt in check and to keep needle size down.

Mountain Hemlock is quite flexible, you can wire and bend branches into most
any desired position. They typically have a profusion of small tertiary
branches, which will all need to be wired once you start, so you will have
plenty of detail wiring ahead of you. Watch for wire cutting in once you
have wired your tree. I completely wired one of mine last September, and I
had to remove much of the wire just last week because it was already
starting to cut in.

Regards,
Roger Snipes Spokane, WA Zone 5, or maybe Zone 6.
Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it, misdiagnosing it,
and then misapplying the wrong remedies. Groucho Marx (1895-1977)


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I picked up a young Mountain Hemlock from Bonsai Northwest's nursery
today. Anyone willing to share their experiences with this tree?
Advice?

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My favorite tree - if I have such - and one of the least trouble for me. I
certainly find Roger's experience the same as mine - definite on Marty's
semi-shade and a flexible branching. And whether or not it is noted by
others I notice the color of my hemlocks holds well. At least I am never
worrying about some yellowing of a rich dark green. Maybe that is due to
their liking moist soil, and I tend to keep other conifers too damp for
their liking.

I am a little cautious judging "mountain hemlock" There is eastern or
Canadian hemlock, slow-growing, (Tsuga canadensis) and then the
northwestern(Tsuga heterophylla), or Western hemlock, is called fast
growing. Among the lot of hemlocks there is a such variety of growth based
on location - at timberline the "mountain hemlock" is a "creeping shrub"
but in the high mountains is a large tree. It is a tree that grows well in
mixed forests. Here, in the northwest shares forests with the high mountain
conifers as a large tree. I am crazy about this tree in all its adaptions.
I think a lot of second-looking is needed to make judgments about what it
can do. But, the shade, moisture and flexibility seem always to be
definite.

Lynn
Lynn Boyd, Oregon, USA
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from Roger Snipes:
Mountain Hemlock make wonderful bonsai subjects. As Marty noted, semi
shade
is best, and they like to stay a little on the moist side. I don't think
you need to worry about slow growth, mine will put out 1/2" to 1" long new
shoots if I don't pinch the new growth. I avoid fertilizing early in the
year to keep the spring growth spurt in check and to keep needle size
down.

Mountain Hemlock is quite flexible, you can wire and bend branches into
most
any desired position. They typically have a profusion of small tertiary
branches, which will all need to be wired once you start, so you will have
plenty of detail wiring ahead of you. Watch for wire cutting in once you
have wired your tree. I completely wired one of mine last September, and
I
had to remove much of the wire just last week because it was already
starting to cut in.

Regards,
Roger Snipes Spokane, WA Zone 5, or maybe

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I have 3 mountain hemlocks - two as cascades and one the sole occupant of a
seikei. There is nothing quite like the branches of this tree leaning over
rugged rocks.
Marty
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Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 12:45 PM
Subject: [IBC] experience with Mountain Hemlock?


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In their natural sub-alpine environment, Mt Hemlock thrive in full sun
and do not do well as an under story tree. This year is unusually hot
and dry with higher than normal temperatures. Some needle scorching
occurred on a couple of my trees but as a trade off for growing in full
sun they are now budding out a second time. However full sun under shade
cloth is a much wiser solution with filtered light being preferred over
shade.

Take care
Anton

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From: Internet Bonsai Club ] On Behalf
Of Roger Snipes
Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 6:18 PM
To:
Subject: [IBC] experience with Mountain Hemlock?

Hi Anton,

I guess I would agree with you on the full sun for the West side, but
here
in Eastern Washington it has been my experience that they do better in
partial shade. As you know, it is quite a bit hotter and dryer here
than on
the West side of the mountains. Mine get midday sun, but are in the
shade
in the late afternoon. I tried keeping one in full sun a few years ago,
and
it started to get scorched on the tips of the new growth. Ever since
then I
have stayed with the partial shade and have had no problem.

Regards,
Roger Snipes

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Mountain Hemlocks do best in semi-shade. The main problem is adalgid
invasion. If you see puffy white stuff in the crotches of small branches,
you've got them. If you see only a few, use a cotton swab and alcohol to
remove them: if too many for that, use Diazonon or other systemic.
Marty
----- Original Message -----
From: "!social"
To:
Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 1:32 AM
Subject: [IBC] experience with Mountain Hemlock?


I picked up a young Mountain Hemlock from Bonsai Northwest's nursery
today. Anyone willing to share their experiences with this tree?
Advice?


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Mountain Hemlock make wonderful bonsai subjects. As Marty noted, semi shade
is best, and they like to stay a little on the moist side. I don't think
you need to worry about slow growth, mine will put out 1/2" to 1" long new
shoots if I don't pinch the new growth. I avoid fertilizing early in the
year to keep the spring growth spurt in check and to keep needle size down.

Mountain Hemlock is quite flexible, you can wire and bend branches into most
any desired position. They typically have a profusion of small tertiary
branches, which will all need to be wired once you start, so you will have
plenty of detail wiring ahead of you. Watch for wire cutting in once you
have wired your tree. I completely wired one of mine last September, and I
had to remove much of the wire just last week because it was already
starting to cut in.

Regards,
Roger Snipes Spokane, WA Zone 5, or maybe Zone 6.
Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it, misdiagnosing it,
and then misapplying the wrong remedies. Groucho Marx (1895-1977)


----- Original Message -----
From: "!social"


I picked up a young Mountain Hemlock from Bonsai Northwest's nursery
today. Anyone willing to share their experiences with this tree?
Advice?

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I think you guys are talking about a different animal Tsuga canadensis
and not Mountain Hemlock (Tsuga mertensiana).
Mountain Hemlock are not under story trees but require full light and
they do not get hemlock woolly adelgid, Adelges tsugae not that I have
ever heard of. The growth rate is moderate depending on your level of
cultural practice i.e. fertilizer etc.
Any good draining soil works, an organic mix with lava 50/50 or 60 lava
40 organic seems to be what most people use. Do not let them dry out in
the spring during bud break. Any other problems just contact anyone in
the Puget Sound club.
Anton
-----Original Message-----
From: Internet Bonsai Club ] On Behalf
Of Jim Lewis
Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 5:52 AM
To:
Subject: [IBC] experience with Mountain Hemlock?

Mountain Hemlocks do best in semi-shade. The main problem is
adalgid
invasion. If you see puffy white stuff in the crotches of
small branches,
you've got them. If you see only a few, use a cotton swab and
alcohol to
remove them: if too many for that, use Diazonon or other
systemic.

This too, but in MY book the main problem is its slowness --
approaching slothfulness. They just SIT there. If they add a
quarter-inch a year, you're doing well.

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I have 3 mountain hemlocks - two as cascades and one the sole occupant of a
seikei. There is nothing quite like the branches of this tree leaning over
rugged rocks.
Marty
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Boyd"
To:
Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 12:45 PM
Subject: [IBC] experience with Mountain Hemlock?


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Hi Anton,

I guess I would agree with you on the full sun for the West side, but here
in Eastern Washington it has been my experience that they do better in
partial shade. As you know, it is quite a bit hotter and dryer here than on
the West side of the mountains. Mine get midday sun, but are in the shade
in the late afternoon. I tried keeping one in full sun a few years ago, and
it started to get scorched on the tips of the new growth. Ever since then I
have stayed with the partial shade and have had no problem.

Regards,
Roger Snipes Spokane, WA Zone 5, or maybe Zone 6.
Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it, misdiagnosing it,
and then misapplying the wrong remedies. Groucho Marx (1895-1977)

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In their natural sub-alpine environment, Mt Hemlock thrive in full sun
and do not do well as an under story tree. This year is unusually hot
and dry with higher than normal temperatures. Some needle scorching
occurred on a couple of my trees but as a trade off for growing in full
sun they are now budding out a second time. However full sun under shade
cloth is a much wiser solution with filtered light being preferred over
shade.

Take care
Anton

-----Original Message-----
From: Internet Bonsai Club ] On Behalf
Of Roger Snipes
Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 6:18 PM
To:
Subject: [IBC] experience with Mountain Hemlock?

Hi Anton,

I guess I would agree with you on the full sun for the West side, but
here
in Eastern Washington it has been my experience that they do better in
partial shade. As you know, it is quite a bit hotter and dryer here
than on
the West side of the mountains. Mine get midday sun, but are in the
shade
in the late afternoon. I tried keeping one in full sun a few years ago,
and
it started to get scorched on the tips of the new growth. Ever since
then I
have stayed with the partial shade and have had no problem.

Regards,
Roger Snipes

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