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09-09-2004, 02:41 AM
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Superthrive. Snake oil or Miracle?
Hi everyone
Juest reading through some posts and saw a post on Superthrive (though it was deliberately spelt different I think). Is this stuff any good? I have a very small bottle I got from a rep at work a few year ago. I have tried it, but don't know if it made any difference. I have a friend into Hydroponic gardening who uses it all the time. He was sold by the readings on the bottle. I have only used it for transplanting, after root pruning. I'm nearly out of the stuff, know it's expensive, so wonder if it's worth the money. I am guessing not, but wondering if any of you have tested it and seen results. Cheers Andrew -- Mid North Coast New South Wales Australia |
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09-09-2004, 10:56 AM
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Superthrive is probably the longest thread in this group. To my knowledge,
no controlled experiments have ever justified the blurb that comes with the bottle. I'm among those who have used it and discarded it. Marty ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew G" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 9:41 PM Subject: [IBC] Superthrive. Snake oil or Miracle? Hi everyone Juest reading through some posts and saw a post on Superthrive (though it was deliberately spelt different I think). Is this stuff any good? I have a very small bottle I got from a rep at work a few year ago. I have tried it, but don't know if it made any difference. I have a friend into Hydroponic gardening who uses it all the time. He was sold by the readings on the bottle. I have only used it for transplanting, after root pruning. I'm nearly out of the stuff, know it's expensive, so wonder if it's worth the money. I am guessing not, but wondering if any of you have tested it and seen results. Cheers Andrew -- Mid North Coast New South Wales Australia ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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09-09-2004, 10:56 AM
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Superthrive is probably the longest thread in this group. To my knowledge,
no controlled experiments have ever justified the blurb that comes with the bottle. I'm among those who have used it and discarded it. Marty ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew G" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 9:41 PM Subject: [IBC] Superthrive. Snake oil or Miracle? Hi everyone Juest reading through some posts and saw a post on Superthrive (though it was deliberately spelt different I think). Is this stuff any good? I have a very small bottle I got from a rep at work a few year ago. I have tried it, but don't know if it made any difference. I have a friend into Hydroponic gardening who uses it all the time. He was sold by the readings on the bottle. I have only used it for transplanting, after root pruning. I'm nearly out of the stuff, know it's expensive, so wonder if it's worth the money. I am guessing not, but wondering if any of you have tested it and seen results. Cheers Andrew -- Mid North Coast New South Wales Australia ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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09-09-2004, 01:28 PM
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Marty Haber wrote:
Superthrive is probably the longest thread in this group. To my knowledge, no controlled experiments have ever justified the blurb that comes with the bottle. I'm among those who have used it and discarded it. Marty I used it when I first got started in bonsai five years ago, but the price put me off. I never did experiments to compare growth with and without it, but I'm simply not willing to pay the price for something that makes such fabulous promises. My own opinion is that a person is better off trying something like Michael Persiano's Superfeeding program (in which, I realize, he has Superthrive as an ingredient, although my suspicion is you could leave it out and see no difference) or your own fertilizing program. In the end, it isn't just a magic bullet that is going to make trees grow and develop well. It's intentional fertilization, pruning at the appropriate times, the right amount of sun/shade, proper winter storage, etc. Craig Cowing NY Zone 5b/6a Sunset 37 ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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09-09-2004, 01:28 PM
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Marty Haber wrote:
Superthrive is probably the longest thread in this group. To my knowledge, no controlled experiments have ever justified the blurb that comes with the bottle. I'm among those who have used it and discarded it. Marty I used it when I first got started in bonsai five years ago, but the price put me off. I never did experiments to compare growth with and without it, but I'm simply not willing to pay the price for something that makes such fabulous promises. My own opinion is that a person is better off trying something like Michael Persiano's Superfeeding program (in which, I realize, he has Superthrive as an ingredient, although my suspicion is you could leave it out and see no difference) or your own fertilizing program. In the end, it isn't just a magic bullet that is going to make trees grow and develop well. It's intentional fertilization, pruning at the appropriate times, the right amount of sun/shade, proper winter storage, etc. Craig Cowing NY Zone 5b/6a Sunset 37 ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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09-09-2004, 02:23 PM
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On 9 Sep 2004 at 11:41, Andrew G wrote:
Hi everyone Juest reading through some posts and saw a post on Superthrive (though it was deliberately spelt different I think). Is this stuff any good? I and others say "NO!" Others say "yes." The science says, "probably not" And, since the jury is definitely hung, your pocketbook (it is absurdly expensive) also says it isn't worth it for the "benefits," which at best are assumed. The same probably goes for most of the other horticultural tonics; many of the people who use and swear by them take good care of their plants so they'd thrive anyway. Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Bonsaiests are like genealogists: We know our roots! ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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09-09-2004, 02:23 PM
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On 9 Sep 2004 at 11:41, Andrew G wrote:
Hi everyone Juest reading through some posts and saw a post on Superthrive (though it was deliberately spelt different I think). Is this stuff any good? I and others say "NO!" Others say "yes." The science says, "probably not" And, since the jury is definitely hung, your pocketbook (it is absurdly expensive) also says it isn't worth it for the "benefits," which at best are assumed. The same probably goes for most of the other horticultural tonics; many of the people who use and swear by them take good care of their plants so they'd thrive anyway. Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Bonsaiests are like genealogists: We know our roots! ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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09-09-2004, 05:04 PM
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To my knowledge, no controlled experiments have ever justified the blurb
that comes with the bottle. One of the commercial growers in my orchid newsgroup did a controlled experiment and found that it does work. Of course it is much too expensive in small bottles. I buy it in pints or quarts, especially when I can get a discount. Ignore the nonsense on the label. There is another similar product called Roots2, which was tested by a university out West. However, Roots2 is hard to find and stains everything it touches. Iris, Central NY, Zone 5a, Sunset Zone 40 "If we see light at the end of the tunnel, It's the light of the oncoming train." Robert Lowell (1917-1977) |
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09-09-2004, 05:04 PM
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To my knowledge, no controlled experiments have ever justified the blurb
that comes with the bottle. One of the commercial growers in my orchid newsgroup did a controlled experiment and found that it does work. Of course it is much too expensive in small bottles. I buy it in pints or quarts, especially when I can get a discount. Ignore the nonsense on the label. There is another similar product called Roots2, which was tested by a university out West. However, Roots2 is hard to find and stains everything it touches. Iris, Central NY, Zone 5a, Sunset Zone 40 "If we see light at the end of the tunnel, It's the light of the oncoming train." Robert Lowell (1917-1977) |
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09-09-2004, 07:01 PM
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On 9 Sep 2004 at 16:04, Iris Cohen wrote:
To my knowledge, no controlled experiments have ever justified the blurb that comes with the bottle. One of the commercial growers in my orchid newsgroup did a controlled experiment and found that it does work. I would love to hear how he set it up, how long it lasted, how many plants in the test and control groups, and the results vs the control set of plants. Did he publish? Has anyone seen the "controlled" experiment? Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Nature encourages no looseness, pardons no errors. Ralph Waldo Emerson ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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09-09-2004, 07:01 PM
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On 9 Sep 2004 at 16:04, Iris Cohen wrote:
To my knowledge, no controlled experiments have ever justified the blurb that comes with the bottle. One of the commercial growers in my orchid newsgroup did a controlled experiment and found that it does work. I would love to hear how he set it up, how long it lasted, how many plants in the test and control groups, and the results vs the control set of plants. Did he publish? Has anyone seen the "controlled" experiment? Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Nature encourages no looseness, pardons no errors. Ralph Waldo Emerson ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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#12
09-09-2004, 08:41 PM
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Iris and all::
Try and find the Roots2Granuales... I use it all the time... when repotting... I believe one of our members Da Su Nurseries sells it on the Internet. Best regards, Carl L. Rosner Iris Cohen wrote: To my knowledge, no controlled experiments have ever justified the blurb that comes with the bottle. One of the commercial growers in my orchid newsgroup did a controlled experiment and found that it does work. Of course it is much too expensive in small bottles. I buy it in pints or quarts, especially when I can get a discount. Ignore the nonsense on the label. There is another similar product called Roots2, which was tested by a university out West. However, Roots2 is hard to find and stains everything it touches. Iris, ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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09-09-2004, 08:41 PM
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Iris and all::
Try and find the Roots2Granuales... I use it all the time... when repotting... I believe one of our members Da Su Nurseries sells it on the Internet. Best regards, Carl L. Rosner Iris Cohen wrote: To my knowledge, no controlled experiments have ever justified the blurb that comes with the bottle. One of the commercial growers in my orchid newsgroup did a controlled experiment and found that it does work. Of course it is much too expensive in small bottles. I buy it in pints or quarts, especially when I can get a discount. Ignore the nonsense on the label. There is another similar product called Roots2, which was tested by a university out West. However, Roots2 is hard to find and stains everything it touches. Iris, ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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