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snail repellent
"peter" wrote in message
"Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote in message "OmManiPadmeOmelet" wrote in message I'd like to try it with cabbage worms...... Om were you thinking of the cabbage grubs that are laid by the white cabbage butterflies? If you were then this does work. Make up some fake cabbage butterflies (I use the white opaque plastic form old milk cartons) and mark then so that they have the black markings of real cabbage butterflies with a felt tip pen and then put them on bamboo stakes and put them around your cabbages. The cabbage butterfly is territorial and will go elsewhere if it thinks that that cabbage is already taken by another cabbage butterfly. what an elegant solution, I'll use that idea. Thanks One more trick. I put the little fake butterflys on the tiny bamboo sate sticks then push these sticks into the tops of bigger bamboo staking sticks. |
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, "Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote: "OmManiPadmeOmelet" wrote in message "Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote: Om were you thinking of the cabbage grubs that are laid by the white cabbage butterflies? If you were then this does work. (snip) That sounds interesting... I've never seen the actual butterflies. These are the little *******s that killed my horseradish and did a number on my chard and brocolli: http://tinypic.com/2zjgpaa.jpg Pretty sure that is them but it's been a year or more since I've seen any. Last year I tried the opaque plastic fake butterfly trick and didn't ahve any probs with my broccoli. Hm. I'll have to try that this fall...... Thanks! -- Peace! Om "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson |
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snail repellent
"OmManiPadmeOmelet" wrote in message
I've successfully used beer pans for both slugs and snails for years. I've found that a dark Ale attracts even more. I've just quit posting about it because I got too many flames. sigh But it works so why would you get flamed? The other things that works are derris dust and corflakes mixed to a mush and if you were in the UK then you'd probably know to use Marmite and water or in Aus you'd use Vegemite and water. The thing that both Marmite and Vegmite have in common with beer, is that they are yeast based and snails and slugs die when they slobber on yeast. But doesn't everyone know that? :-)) |
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, "Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote: "OmManiPadmeOmelet" wrote in message I've successfully used beer pans for both slugs and snails for years. I've found that a dark Ale attracts even more. I've just quit posting about it because I got too many flames. sigh But it works so why would you get flamed? Some people don't believe it. ;-) The other things that works are derris dust and corflakes mixed to a mush and if you were in the UK then you'd probably know to use Marmite and water or in Aus you'd use Vegemite and water. The thing that both Marmite and Vegmite have in common with beer, is that they are yeast based and snails and slugs die when they slobber on yeast. But doesn't everyone know that? :-)) Huh! I can get Marmite at the Greek market in Austin. Might be cheaper than beer so I should try that. -- Peace! Om "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson |
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"Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote in message ... "peter" wrote in message "Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote in message "OmManiPadmeOmelet" wrote in message I'd like to try it with cabbage worms...... Om were you thinking of the cabbage grubs that are laid by the white cabbage butterflies? If you were then this does work. Make up some fake cabbage butterflies (I use the white opaque plastic form old milk cartons) and mark then so that they have the black markings of real cabbage butterflies with a felt tip pen and then put them on bamboo stakes and put them around your cabbages. The cabbage butterfly is territorial and will go elsewhere if it thinks that that cabbage is already taken by another cabbage butterfly. what an elegant solution, I'll use that idea. Thanks One more trick. I put the little fake butterflys on the tiny bamboo sate sticks then push these sticks into the tops of bigger bamboo staking sticks. Just remember if you try this to watch your eyes. Is far better to use something like the plastic bread bag sealer thingos and to cover any sharp bits. Richard |
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snail repellent
"Kimberly" writes:
If you're talking about usual garden snails then they are edible. Putting them in a pan with hot water would make soup. So, add garlic and butter to taste. Bon apetite!! -- John Savage (my news address is not valid for email) |
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"Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow writes:
Om were you thinking of the cabbage grubs that are laid by the white cabbage butterflies? If you were then this does work. Make up some fake cabbage butterflies (I use the white opaque plastic form old milk cartons) and mark then so that they have the black markings of real cabbage butterflies with a felt tip pen and then put them on bamboo stakes and put them around your cabbages. The cabbage butterfly is territorial and will go elsewhere if it thinks that that cabbage is already taken by another cabbage butterfly. Why bother making plastic b'flies? Just catch some real ones, add a dab of wood glue and fix them to the end of sticks that you can move around your plants as needed! That way you reduce the population of moths into the bargain! But I admit the real ones are not as rain resistant as the plastic replicas. I think you are right about them being territorial. I recall many a time seeing a white moth lazily bobbing around my father's cabbage patch until it neared another when one would zoom into the path of the first until they seemed to momentarily collide and then one would leap away to put some distance between them. At the time I assumed I was witnessing an attempt at romance, and subsequent rebuff, but now that you have pointed it out, this behaviour could have been a moth protecting its patch. For Australian readers: Noisy miner and Indian mynah birds just love catching moths on the wing. Currawongs are good at it, too. -- John Savage (my news address is not valid for email) |
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"John Savage" wrote in
"Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow writes: Om were you thinking of the cabbage grubs that are laid by the white cabbage butterflies? If you were then this does work. Make up some fake cabbage butterflies (I use the white opaque plastic form old milk cartons) and mark then so that they have the black markings of real cabbage butterflies with a felt tip pen and then put them on bamboo stakes and put them around your cabbages. The cabbage butterfly is territorial and will go elsewhere if it thinks that that cabbage is already taken by another cabbage butterfly. Why bother making plastic b'flies? Just catch some real ones, add a dab of wood glue and fix them to the end of sticks that you can move around your plants as needed! That way you reduce the population of moths into the bargain! But I admit the real ones are not as rain resistant as the plastic replicas. I'll bet you took the wings off flies as a youngster :-))) It took about 3 minutes to cut up a milk carton and put a few spots of texta on. It would have taken much more time for me to try to catch the blighters. For Australian readers: Noisy miner and Indian mynah birds just love catching moths on the wing. Currawongs are good at it, too. But do you have any ideas for getting rid of currawongs? The mongrel *******s eat smaller birds and I need my wrens for aphid patrols. BTW, the aphids have arrived and still not a sign of any ants anywhere near the roses but the wrens are very active. |
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, "Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote: But do you have any ideas for getting rid of currawongs? The mongrel *******s eat smaller birds and I need my wrens for aphid patrols. BTW, the aphids have arrived and still not a sign of any ants anywhere near the roses but the wrens are very active. A good way to increase your local wren population is to provide them with nesting sites. A lot of my birdhouse gourd houses are occupied every year, sometimes twice in a season. :-) Easy to make too. I have quite a few birdhouse gourd seeds on hand if you want some? -- Peace! Om "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson |
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"OmManiPadmeOmelet" wrote in message
"Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote: But do you have any ideas for getting rid of currawongs? The mongrel *******s eat smaller birds and I need my wrens for aphid patrols. BTW, the aphids have arrived and still not a sign of any ants anywhere near the roses but the wrens are very active. A good way to increase your local wren population is to provide them with nesting sites. A lot of my birdhouse gourd houses are occupied every year, sometimes twice in a season. :-) Easy to make too. I have quite a few birdhouse gourd seeds on hand if you want some? Thanks for the generous offer Om. Are you in Australia? If not then I must sadly decline due to quarantine concerns. However, I'm sure that the problem isn't breeding, we have lots odfine leaved shrubs and bushes and each year we have babies. It's just that the sodding Currawongs are such efficient and effective killers. We went away for 3 days and when we came back we both noticed how much the small bird population had dropped. We keep an eye on the Currawongs when we are here and "discourage" them for being aroudn. |
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Farm1 wrote:
A good way to increase your local wren population is to provide them with nesting sites. A lot of my birdhouse gourd houses are occupied every year, sometimes twice in a season. :-) Easy to make too. I have quite a few birdhouse gourd seeds on hand if you want some? Thanks for the generous offer Om. Are you in Australia? If not then I must sadly decline due to quarantine concerns. Look at some of the gourds offered by Eden Seeds. http://www.edenseeds.com.au alphabetical, then G for gourds. (search for gourds didn't work) you might need to hand pollinate as well (like pumpkins). We grew one of their Large gourds (bottle) last years, but it wasn't pollinated and remained small and eventually rotted away.had However, I'm sure that the problem isn't breeding, we have lots odfine leaved shrubs and bushes and each year we have babies. It's just that the sodding Currawongs are such efficient and effective killers. Hmm, if you have stuff like cotoneaster, pycantha, etc locally, do all you can to get rid of them. It is believed these are part of the reason, currowangs overwinter on these and thus survive in greater numbers for spring. You also might like to observer if the small leaved stuff is actually protecting the small birds or if the currawongs "enter" the shrtubs in pursuit. chicken wire cage it or spiny pshrubs (bursaria) |
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, "Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote: "OmManiPadmeOmelet" wrote in message "Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote: But do you have any ideas for getting rid of currawongs? The mongrel *******s eat smaller birds and I need my wrens for aphid patrols. BTW, the aphids have arrived and still not a sign of any ants anywhere near the roses but the wrens are very active. A good way to increase your local wren population is to provide them with nesting sites. A lot of my birdhouse gourd houses are occupied every year, sometimes twice in a season. :-) Easy to make too. I have quite a few birdhouse gourd seeds on hand if you want some? Thanks for the generous offer Om. Are you in Australia? If not then I must sadly decline due to quarantine concerns. However, I'm sure that the problem isn't breeding, we have lots odfine leaved shrubs and bushes and each year we have babies. It's just that the sodding Currawongs are such efficient and effective killers. Don't think I've never sent seeds to Australia. ;-) One just has to have the "knack" if you know what I mean. Seriously, contact me off line. The beauty of birdhouse gourds is that you can control the hole size and keep the killers out and protect the young. House wrens are pretty tiny. Of course, you can use just about any gourd, or build some small bird houses. It's just that the gourds are convenient and easy, and fast. One of my most valuable items is time it seems! Hence the "pop up" greenhouses I have. Spent maybe 1 hour max erecting each one and putting in the shelving. We went away for 3 days and when we came back we both noticed how much the small bird population had dropped. We keep an eye on the Currawongs when we are here and "discourage" them for being aroudn. Are you allowed to own an air rifle? Around here, those are not classified as a firearm. Squirrel is delicious. Can't help but wonder the same about Currawongs? ;-) -- Peace! Om "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson |
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"OmManiPadmeOmelet" wrote in message
"Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote: I have quite a few birdhouse gourd seeds on hand if you want some? Thanks for the generous offer Om. Are you in Australia? If not then I must sadly decline due to quarantine concerns. However, I'm sure that the problem isn't breeding, we have lots odfine leaved shrubs and bushes and each year we have babies. It's just that the sodding Currawongs are such efficient and effective killers. Don't think I've never sent seeds to Australia. ;-) One just has to have the "knack" if you know what I mean. I know it has been done but as I live on a farm and we derive part of our income from the land, I'm very conscious of the quarantine laws. I'd never do anything to contravene them. In fact I will vote against any government who tries to endanger our environment by chanhing our import laws as a result of sodding globalisation. Thanks again Om but since Teryc gave a site for them in Aus, I know I'll be able to get them locally. It's a good firm and I've used them before. Of course, you can use just about any gourd, or build some small bird houses. It's just that the gourds are convenient and easy, and fast. How do you make the nest? One of my most valuable items is time it seems! Hence the "pop up" greenhouses I have. Spent maybe 1 hour max erecting each one and putting in the shelving. Now that too sounds interesting. What is it and how do you make them. We went away for 3 days and when we came back we both noticed how much the small bird population had dropped. We keep an eye on the Currawongs when we are here and "discourage" them for being aroudn. Are you allowed to own an air rifle? Around here, those are not classified as a firearm. I've got a gun licence and guns so that isn't a problem. I suspect that shooting Currawongs isn't allowed and a lead slug just makes then squark but............ Squirrel is delicious. Can't help but wonder the same about Currawongs? Some of the real old timers round here have eaten just about anything (like crows) but I've not heard of them eating currawongs. They'd probably be most like a crow in taste and size. I think I'll stick to real meat :-)) |
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"Terryc" wrote in message
Farm1 wrote: Thanks for the generous offer Om. Are you in Australia? If not then I must sadly decline due to quarantine concerns. Look at some of the gourds offered by Eden Seeds. http://www.edenseeds.com.au alphabetical, then G for gourds. (search for gourds didn't work) Thanks for that. Found'em. you might need to hand pollinate as well (like pumpkins). Will keep that in mind. However, I'm sure that the problem isn't breeding, we have lots odfine leaved shrubs and bushes and each year we have babies. It's just that the sodding Currawongs are such efficient and effective killers. Hmm, if you have stuff like cotoneaster, pycantha, etc locally, do all you can to get rid of them. It is believed these are part of the reason, currowangs overwinter on these and thus survive in greater numbers for spring. The sodding things live in the huge pinewind breaks around the machinery shed and shearing shed and the perimeters of the paddocks out from our house. They have lots of road kill to keep them going all year round. We must have at least 100 round here - probably more. At least they aren't the only birds we have. We saw a stunning little kingfisher today. It wasn't an Azure kingfisher and I haven't been able to find it in the 2 bird books I've looked at so far but it was gorgeous - rarer than some of the other birds we have though. You also might like to observer if the small leaved stuff is actually protecting the small birds They do protect them, thankfully. Too shrubby and twiggy and lots of it but the currawongs sit on the big trees and watch like proverbial hawks. The currawongs have now become very cautious. Walking out of the house with a gun makes then take off quick smart but we can't be here to protect the little birds all the time and they need to come out to feed at times when we aren't around. |
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, "Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote: Of course, you can use just about any gourd, or build some small bird houses. It's just that the gourds are convenient and easy, and fast. How do you make the nest? The bird builds it's own nest inside. Just carve the hole small enough so the Currawong cannot get inside and the bird still can. Make sure the nesting space is at lest 6 cm. deep and drill 3 drain holes in the bottom for when it rains. They will build on top of the drains but it does not plug them. I don't have any pics on hand right now, sorry. I cut a hole for the birds, drain holes in the bottom and stick a screwed in eye bolt in the top for hanging, and hang them up between 5 and 6 ft. up. Mine seem to go for the lower ones. One of my most valuable items is time it seems! Hence the "pop up" greenhouses I have. Spent maybe 1 hour max erecting each one and putting in the shelving. Now that too sounds interesting. What is it and how do you make them. I got them from he http://tinyurl.com/kfmd9 Do a google search using "dreamhouse greenhouse" and see if you can find one locally. Are you allowed to own an air rifle? Around here, those are not classified as a firearm. I've got a gun licence and guns so that isn't a problem. I suspect that shooting Currawongs isn't allowed and a lead slug just makes then squark but............ Follow the 3S rule...... ;-) Squirrel is delicious. Can't help but wonder the same about Currawongs? Some of the real old timers round here have eaten just about anything (like crows) but I've not heard of them eating currawongs. They'd probably be most like a crow in taste and size. I think I'll stick to real meat :-)) lol -- Peace! Om "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson |
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