i think it is illegal to sell this toxic waste in most states. get
greensand.

"Marie Dodge" wrote in message
...
Ironite v. a liquid. What problems have you people had with Ironite?
What is the issue with this product? If it's dangerous, how is it legal
to sell for use in gardens? Is there any other type of iron to add to the
soil/compost besides liquids? With large gardens, sprinkling "iron" water
over the plants several times during the season isn't practical.

"polecanoe" wrote in message
...
i think it is illegal to sell this toxic waste in most states. get
greensand.

They don't sell greensand here that I know of, and I have 3 large veggie
gardens. What well known stores carry it?


"Marie Dodge" wrote in message
...
Ironite v. a liquid. What problems have you people had with Ironite?
What is the issue with this product? If it's dangerous, how is it legal
to sell for use in gardens? Is there any other type of iron to add to
the soil/compost besides liquids? With large gardens, sprinkling "iron"
water over the plants several times during the season isn't practical.

i'm sure that any reputable garden center can and will get greensand for
you. if you local home depot walmart and lowes don't have it, that is all
the more reason to demand it.

you don't say where you are from, in my state CT the local NOFA has an
annual sale you can also try peaceful valley if you are in CA
www.groworganic.com or Fedco seeds in ME www.fedcoseeds.com should have it.


"Marie Dodge" wrote in message
...

"polecanoe" wrote in message
...
i think it is illegal to sell this toxic waste in most states. get
greensand.

They don't sell greensand here that I know of, and I have 3 large veggie
gardens. What well known stores carry it?


"Marie Dodge" wrote in message
...
Ironite v. a liquid. What problems have you people had with Ironite?
What is the issue with this product? If it's dangerous, how is it legal
to sell for use in gardens? Is there any other type of iron to add to
the soil/compost besides liquids? With large gardens, sprinkling "iron"
water over the plants several times during the season isn't practical.

On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 07:20:18 -0400, "polecanoe"
wrote:

i'm sure that any reputable garden center can and will get greensand for
you. if you local home depot walmart and lowes don't have it, that is all
the more reason to demand it.


Actually, as my nephew is fond of saying, that's not correct. Garden
centers generally have to order a set amount of a product, so they're
not going to order a pallet of greensand if they don't feel like
there's a market for it in their area. I've had a very, very
difficult time getting organic products since my favorite nursery
owners retired. I actually ordered 15 5 lb bags of my favorite organic
tomato and pepper fertilizer last year because none of the local
garden centers and nurseries would order it. I figure I got about a 4
or 5 year supply for my garden and my sister's. I had to call almost
every garden center and nursery in the yellow pages before I found one
that carried a good quality potting soil that has no fertilizer in it.

I was very interested in trying some of the Pro-Mix products, and we
even have a wholesale distributor locally; but I couldn't get any of
the nurseries to get some for me. The cost of shipping makes ordering
it on the web prohibitive.



Penelope
--
"Maybe you'd like to ask the Wizard for a heart."
"ElissaAnn"

If iron is such a scarce mineral, chances are it is scarce for others as
well. You say I am incorrect. How do YOU know there is no market?

the dealers and apparently the buyers too have been duped into thinking that
the only market that exists is for quick fixes. a reputable garden center
would educate it's consumers.

"Penelope Periwinkle" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 07:20:18 -0400, "polecanoe"
wrote:

i'm sure that any reputable garden center can and will get greensand for
you. if you local home depot walmart and lowes don't have it, that is all
the more reason to demand it.


Actually, as my nephew is fond of saying, that's not correct. Garden
centers generally have to order a set amount of a product, so they're
not going to order a pallet of greensand if they don't feel like
there's a market for it in their area. I've had a very, very
difficult time getting organic products since my favorite nursery
owners retired. I actually ordered 15 5 lb bags of my favorite organic
tomato and pepper fertilizer last year because none of the local
garden centers and nurseries would order it. I figure I got about a 4
or 5 year supply for my garden and my sister's. I had to call almost
every garden center and nursery in the yellow pages before I found one
that carried a good quality potting soil that has no fertilizer in it.

I was very interested in trying some of the Pro-Mix products, and we
even have a wholesale distributor locally; but I couldn't get any of
the nurseries to get some for me. The cost of shipping makes ordering
it on the web prohibitive.



Penelope
--
"Maybe you'd like to ask the Wizard for a heart."
"ElissaAnn"

On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 20:32:20 -0400, "polecanoe"
wrote:

egregious top posting corrected, as is only civilized

"Penelope Periwinkle" wrote
"polecanoe" wrote:
i'm sure that any reputable garden center can and will get greensand for
you. if you local home depot walmart and lowes don't have it, that is all
the more reason to demand it.

Actually, as my nephew is fond of saying, that's not correct. Garden
centers generally have to order a set amount of a product, so they're
not going to order a pallet of greensand if they don't feel like
there's a market for it in their area.

If iron is such a scarce mineral, chances are it is scarce for others as
well. You say I am incorrect. How do YOU know there is no market?

My, but haven't the sensitive lettle fleurs sprouted in my
absence.

Whether you or I think there is a market is irrelevant. Whether
nursery or garden center owners do or don't think there is, or
choose an alternative to either greensand or Ironite is their
prerogative. Those who know their market on both ends stay in
business, those who misjudge it don't. Insisting that they'll
indulge the whims of every single customer is just plain silly.


the dealers and apparently the buyers too have been duped into thinking that
the only market that exists is for quick fixes. a reputable garden center
would educate it's consumers.

Ah, I see the problem. You're defining "reputable garden center"
as only those garden centers who adopt business practices
approved by polecanoe. My definition is a bit broader.


Penelope















I've had a very, very
difficult time getting organic products since my favorite nursery
owners retired. I actually ordered 15 5 lb bags of my favorite organic
tomato and pepper fertilizer last year because none of the local
garden centers and nurseries would order it. I figure I got about a 4
or 5 year supply for my garden and my sister's. I had to call almost
every garden center and nursery in the yellow pages before I found one
that carried a good quality potting soil that has no fertilizer in it.

I was very interested in trying some of the Pro-Mix products, and we
even have a wholesale distributor locally; but I couldn't get any of
the nurseries to get some for me. The cost of shipping makes ordering
it on the web prohibitive.



Penelope
--
"Maybe you'd like to ask the Wizard for a heart."
"ElissaAnn"

--
You have proven yourself to be the most malicious,
classless person that I've encountered in years.
- "pointed"

"polecanoe" wrote in message
...
If iron is such a scarce mineral, chances are it is scarce for others as
well. You say I am incorrect. How do YOU know there is no market?

It's not that no one needs iron for their soil... they don't know what
things like greensand are.

the dealers and apparently the buyers too have been duped into thinking
that the only market that exists is for quick fixes. a reputable garden
center would educate it's consumers.

They don't have the time.


"Penelope Periwinkle" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 07:20:18 -0400, "polecanoe"
wrote:

i'm sure that any reputable garden center can and will get greensand for
you. if you local home depot walmart and lowes don't have it, that is
all
the more reason to demand it.


Actually, as my nephew is fond of saying, that's not correct. Garden
centers generally have to order a set amount of a product, so they're
not going to order a pallet of greensand if they don't feel like
there's a market for it in their area. I've had a very, very
difficult time getting organic products since my favorite nursery
owners retired. I actually ordered 15 5 lb bags of my favorite organic
tomato and pepper fertilizer last year because none of the local
garden centers and nurseries would order it. I figure I got about a 4
or 5 year supply for my garden and my sister's. I had to call almost
every garden center and nursery in the yellow pages before I found one
that carried a good quality potting soil that has no fertilizer in it.

I was very interested in trying some of the Pro-Mix products, and we
even have a wholesale distributor locally; but I couldn't get any of
the nurseries to get some for me. The cost of shipping makes ordering
it on the web prohibitive.



Penelope
--
"Maybe you'd like to ask the Wizard for a heart."
"ElissaAnn"

"Penelope Periwinkle" wrote in message
...

I was very interested in trying some of the Pro-Mix products, and we
even have a wholesale distributor locally; but I couldn't get any of
the nurseries to get some for me. The cost of shipping makes ordering
it on the web prohibitive.

Exactly. I can't afford to have 10 or 25 lbs of greensand shipped.... on top
of the high price they charge for it to start with.




Penelope
--
"Maybe you'd like to ask the Wizard for a heart."
"ElissaAnn"

"Jangchub" wrote in message
...
Send me an email with our location or approximation if you don't want
to give out the exact location and I will find a nursery which sells a
line of organic products, including greensand.



Watch your email for my reply.

"polecanoe" wrote in message
...
i'm sure that any reputable garden center can and will get greensand for
you. if you local home depot walmart and lowes don't have it, that is all
the more reason to demand it.

Demand it? I wish. They'll just tell me "Sorry, we don't carry it."


you don't say where you are from, in my state CT the local NOFA has an
annual sale you can also try peaceful valley if you are in CA
www.groworganic.com or Fedco seeds in ME www.fedcoseeds.com should have
it.

I'm in Central TN, not far from Nashville. There's only one Nursery in our
area and they more or less carry the same stuff the big chains carry plus
bone and blood meal. We can't afford these organic meals anymore as they're
$5 to $6 for small bags and we have several gardens. We are however, picking
up loads of organic mulch from a nearby city's shredding lot to work into
the soil this year. We can't generate enough of our own to compost on only
an acre of land.



"Marie Dodge" wrote in message
...

"polecanoe" wrote in message
...
i think it is illegal to sell this toxic waste in most states. get
greensand.

They don't sell greensand here that I know of, and I have 3 large veggie
gardens. What well known stores carry it?


"Marie Dodge" wrote in message
...
Ironite v. a liquid. What problems have you people had with Ironite?
What is the issue with this product? If it's dangerous, how is it
legal to sell for use in gardens? Is there any other type of iron to
add to the soil/compost besides liquids? With large gardens, sprinkling
"iron" water over the plants several times during the season isn't
practical.

"Marie Dodge" wrote

I'm in Central TN, not far from Nashville.

There's only one Nursery in our area and they more or less carry the same
stuff the big chains carry plus bone and blood meal.

I doubt that, though organic supplies are often more difficult to find.
It simply requires a little more searching.

Have you called these people? They seem to be in your neck of the woods:
Dicken's Supply, 814 Cherokee Ave., Nashville, TN 37207 (615) 227-1111
http://www.dickenssupply.com/SOIL%20...NG%20MIXES.htm

Here's another company I purchase from.
Biocontrol Network
5116 Williamsburg Rd, Brentwood, Tennessee 37027
http://www.biconet.com/index.html
Give Eric a jingle, he'll treat you dandy.
(800) 441-BUGS (2847)

We can't afford these organic meals anymore as they're $5 to $6 for small
bags and we have several gardens.

You need to find a feed mill that handles grain and livestock feed. A
50lb sack of cotton seed meal $13.75. About the same price for alfalfa meal
and close to the same for a 50lb sack of Fertrell green sand. Though I'm
still looking for an inexpensive local source for 50lb sacks of feather meal
and blood meal. I imagine I could order from the dealer I buy the green sand
from, though I haven't tried.

We are however, picking up loads of organic mulch from a nearby city's
shredding lot to work into the soil this year. We can't generate enough of
our own to compost on only an acre of land.

It certainly is more difficult if the land doesn't produce the needed
organic material.

Steve Young

"Steve Young" bowtieATbrightdslDOTnet wrote in message
...
"Marie Dodge" wrote

I'm in Central TN, not far from Nashville.

There's only one Nursery in our area and they more or less carry the
same
stuff the big chains carry plus bone and blood meal.

I doubt that, though organic supplies are often more difficult to find.
It simply requires a little more searching.

Have you called these people? They seem to be in your neck of the woods:
Dicken's Supply, 814 Cherokee Ave., Nashville, TN 37207 (615) 227-1111
http://www.dickenssupply.com/SOIL%20...NG%20MIXES.htm

I never heard of them. I'm about 30 miles from Nashville and don't shop
there. I'll call them in the morning and see what their prices are like. I
would need enough for say a 900 sq ft garden. I don't see greensand listed
there.


Here's another company I purchase from.
Biocontrol Network
5116 Williamsburg Rd, Brentwood, Tennessee 37027
http://www.biconet.com/index.html
Give Eric a jingle, he'll treat you dandy.
(800) 441-BUGS (2847)

That's quite a distance from here. I don't see soil amendments at the site.


We can't afford these organic meals anymore as they're $5 to $6 for small
bags and we have several gardens.

You need to find a feed mill that handles grain and livestock feed. A
50lb sack of cotton seed meal $13.75. About the same price for alfalfa
meal
and close to the same for a 50lb sack of Fertrell green sand. Though I'm
still looking for an inexpensive local source for 50lb sacks of feather
meal
and blood meal. I imagine I could order from the dealer I buy the green
sand
from, though I haven't tried.

A 50 lbs sack of any of these products wouldn't go anywhere in my gardens.
I'd need at least 8 to10 50 lb sacks to make a difference @ $13.75 each.
How large is your garden BTW?


We are however, picking up loads of organic mulch from a nearby city's
shredding lot to work into the soil this year. We can't generate enough
of
our own to compost on only an acre of land.

It certainly is more difficult if the land doesn't produce the needed
organic material.

Aside from the house and gardens, it's all lawn and woods.

Steve Young

"Marie Dodge" wrote

"Steve Young" bowtieATbrightdslDOTnet wrote

"Marie Dodge" wrote

I'm in Central TN, not far from Nashville.

There's only one Nursery in our area and they more or less carry the
same stuff the big chains carry plus bone and blood meal.

I doubt that, though organic supplies are often more difficult to find.
It simply requires a little more searching.

Have you called these people? They seem to be in your neck of the woods:
Dicken's Supply, 814 Cherokee Ave., Nashville, TN 37207 (615) 227-1111
http://www.dickenssupply.com/SOIL%20...NG%20MIXES.htm

I never heard of them.

Isn't that what you're looking for? new ideas?

I'm about 30 miles from Nashville and don't shop there.

Put together your seasonal needs and make one trip? Perhaps they have a
truck that makes local deliveries? Maybe an employee lives down the street
from you? Get creative instead whining and saying it can't be done. Most
importantly, did you call them?

I'll call them in the morning and see what their prices are like. I would
need enough for say a 900 sq ft garden. I don't see greensand listed
there.

Adjust your glasses Marie, it's item #6 from the top of soil amendments.
What did they say when you called?

Here's another company I purchase from.
Biocontrol Network
5116 Williamsburg Rd, Brentwood, Tennessee 37027
http://www.biconet.com/index.html
Give Eric a jingle, he'll treat you dandy.
(800) 441-BUGS (2847)

That's quite a distance from here. I don't see soil amendments at the
site.

How about 'soil care'? close enough?
http://www.biconet.com/soil.html

We can't afford these organic meals anymore as they're $5 to $6 for
small bags and we have several gardens.

You need to find a feed mill that handles grain and livestock feed. A
50lb sack of cotton seed meal $13.75. About the same price for alfalfa
meal and close to the same for a 50lb sack of Fertrell green sand.
Though I'm still looking for an inexpensive local source for 50lb
sacks of feather meal and blood meal.

A 50 lbs sack of any of these products wouldn't go anywhere in my gardens.
I'd need at least 8 to10 50 lb sacks to make a difference @ $13.75 each.

Were you fibbing when you said 900 sq ft above? Methinks you are using
these products incorrectly. They are side dressings and mixed only in the
root zone when planting, or scratched into the ground around the plant
during the growing season. They are not used like spreading fertilizer on
the lawn.
Why give weeds a boost? Eventually they will improve all your garden soil.

Did you look up a few grain elevators/feed mills as I had suggested? Or were
you hoping I'd do that for you?

How large is your garden BTW?

Just a tad under 3,000 square and I use less than $100 of sack products per
season. I don't know why you insist on doing things the expensive way.

Aside from the house and gardens, it's all lawn and woods.

Lawn and woods, wow! what a great place to gather organic material. Do you
have leaves that fall? I pull this behind my yard tractor and easily gather
enough material to turn out 12 yards of compost annually.
http://www.drpower.com/TwoStepChapte...VFlashHowWorks

Steve Young

"Marie Dodge" wrote

"polecanoe" wrote

i think it is illegal to sell this toxic waste in most states. get
greensand.

They don't sell greensand here that I know of, and I have 3 large veggie
gardens. What well known stores carry it?

http://www.fertrell.com/soil_amendments.html
http://www.fertrell.com/outlets.html

"Steve Young" bowtieATbrightdslDOTnet wrote in message
...
"Marie Dodge" wrote
"polecanoe" wrote

i think it is illegal to sell this toxic waste in most states. get
greensand.

They don't sell greensand here that I know of, and I have 3 large veggie
gardens. What well known stores carry it?

http://www.fertrell.com/soil_amendments.html
http://www.fertrell.com/outlets.html

Thanks. It's odd they have no prices listed for their products. People have
to call for prices.