"Jangchub" wrote in message
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The number one cause of childrens overdose ending in in death is
'merica.

No child here has died from eating Ironite. They get the lead from old paint
and some toys from overseas.

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"Jangchub" wrote in message
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The number one cause of childrens overdose ending in in death is
'merica.

No child here has died from eating Ironite. They get the lead from old paint
and some toys from overseas.

Main cause is Iron from vitamins. So keep those vitamins that look
like Fred Flintstone and Iron pills in a secure place.

http://www.merck.com/mmpe/sec21/ch326/ch326i.html

Bill

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Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA

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"Marie Dodge" wrote:

"Jangchub" wrote in message
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The number one cause of childrens overdose ending in in death is
'merica.

No child here has died from eating Ironite. They get the lead from old
paint
and some toys from overseas.

Main cause is Iron from vitamins. So keep those vitamins that look
like Fred Flintstone and Iron pills in a secure place.

http://www.merck.com/mmpe/sec21/ch326/ch326i.html

Since when is LEAD poisoning and IRON poisoning the same thing? Where's the
connection? You're confusing the two elements.


Bill

--
Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA

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"Marie Dodge" wrote:

"Jangchub" wrote in message
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The number one cause of childrens overdose ending in in death is
'merica.

No child here has died from eating Ironite. They get the lead from old paint
and some toys from overseas.

http://www.dirtdoctor.com/view_question.php?id=120#
Ironite Story
Reprinted with permission of The Dallas Morning News 03/30/98
THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS
snip
Of particular concern to scientists studying toxic materials is their
effect on children. In the case of lead, for example, Dr. Weis said a
child's rapidly developing body mistakes the toxic metal for calcium.

Because the body needs calcium for growth, he said, a child's body
"grabs" and keeps nearly all the lead the child ingests. "Children are
basically little lead sponges," Dr. Weis said.
snip
Of particular concern to scientists studying toxic materials is their
effect on children. In the case of lead, for example, Dr. Weis said a
child's rapidly developing body mistakes the toxic metal for calcium.

Because the body needs calcium for growth, he said, a child's body
"grabs" and keeps nearly all the lead the child ingests. "Children are
basically little lead sponges," Dr. Weis said.
David Shields, a geologist with a Dallas engineering firm who has worked
on lead cleanup projects, said the key question for consumers is not
which forms of lead or arsenic are the most or least toxic. The EPA does
not make that distinction when it plans residential cleanups, he noted.

Instead, Mr. Shields said, the important question is whether consumers
can make an informed choice. "I'm not telling anyone they shouldn't use
any particular product," Mr. Shields said. "But lead is lead is lead."
------

It's a shame that you don't understand the consequences of your actions
or that it's not just your environment that you are degrading.
--

Billy
Bush and Pelosi Behind Bars
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1009916.html

"Billy" wrote in message
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In article ,
"Marie Dodge" wrote:

"Jangchub" wrote in message
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The number one cause of childrens overdose ending in in death is
'merica.

No child here has died from eating Ironite. They get the lead from old
paint
and some toys from overseas.

http://www.dirtdoctor.com/view_question.php?id=120#
Ironite Story
Reprinted with permission of The Dallas Morning News 03/30/98
THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS
snip
Of particular concern to scientists studying toxic materials is their
effect on children. In the case of lead, for example, Dr. Weis said a
child's rapidly developing body mistakes the toxic metal for calcium.

Because the body needs calcium for growth, he said, a child's body
"grabs" and keeps nearly all the lead the child ingests. "Children are
basically little lead sponges," Dr. Weis said.
snip
Of particular concern to scientists studying toxic materials is their
effect on children. In the case of lead, for example, Dr. Weis said a
child's rapidly developing body mistakes the toxic metal for calcium.

Because the body needs calcium for growth, he said, a child's body
"grabs" and keeps nearly all the lead the child ingests. "Children are
basically little lead sponges," Dr. Weis said.
David Shields, a geologist with a Dallas engineering firm who has worked
on lead cleanup projects, said the key question for consumers is not
which forms of lead or arsenic are the most or least toxic. The EPA does
not make that distinction when it plans residential cleanups, he noted.

Instead, Mr. Shields said, the important question is whether consumers
can make an informed choice. "I'm not telling anyone they shouldn't use
any particular product," Mr. Shields said. "But lead is lead is lead."
------

It's a shame that you don't understand the consequences of your actions
or that it's not just your environment that you are degrading.

What has that 10 yr. old article got to do with Ironite? It's not even
mentioned.


--

Billy
Bush and Pelosi Behind Bars
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1009916.html

In article ,
"Marie Dodge" wrote:

"Billy" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Marie Dodge" wrote:

"Jangchub" wrote in message
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The number one cause of childrens overdose ending in in death is
'merica.

No child here has died from eating Ironite. They get the lead from old
paint
and some toys from overseas.

http://www.dirtdoctor.com/view_question.php?id=120#
Ironite Story
Reprinted with permission of The Dallas Morning News 03/30/98
THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS
snip
Of particular concern to scientists studying toxic materials is their
effect on children. In the case of lead, for example, Dr. Weis said a
child's rapidly developing body mistakes the toxic metal for calcium.

Because the body needs calcium for growth, he said, a child's body
"grabs" and keeps nearly all the lead the child ingests. "Children are
basically little lead sponges," Dr. Weis said.
snip
Of particular concern to scientists studying toxic materials is their
effect on children. In the case of lead, for example, Dr. Weis said a
child's rapidly developing body mistakes the toxic metal for calcium.

Because the body needs calcium for growth, he said, a child's body
"grabs" and keeps nearly all the lead the child ingests. "Children are
basically little lead sponges," Dr. Weis said.
David Shields, a geologist with a Dallas engineering firm who has worked
on lead cleanup projects, said the key question for consumers is not
which forms of lead or arsenic are the most or least toxic. The EPA does
not make that distinction when it plans residential cleanups, he noted.

Instead, Mr. Shields said, the important question is whether consumers
can make an informed choice. "I'm not telling anyone they shouldn't use
any particular product," Mr. Shields said. "But lead is lead is lead."
------

It's a shame that you don't understand the consequences of your actions
or that it's not just your environment that you are degrading.

What has that 10 yr. old article got to do with Ironite? It's not even
mentioned.


For those of you who understand English, I recommend
http://www.dirtdoctor.com/view_question.php?id=120#

njaes.rutgers.edu/pubs/soilprofile/sp-v16.pdf

http://www.epa.gov/nrmrl/lrpcd/wm/projects/135367.htm
--

Billy
Bush and Pelosi Behind Bars
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1016232.html

"Billy" wrote in message
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"Marie Dodge" wrote:

"Billy" wrote in message
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In article ,
"Marie Dodge" wrote:

"Jangchub" wrote in message
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It's a shame that you don't understand the consequences of your actions
or that it's not just your environment that you are degrading.

What has that 10 yr. old article got to do with Ironite? It's not even
mentioned.


For those of you who understand English, I recommend
http://www.dirtdoctor.com/view_question.php?id=120#

njaes.rutgers.edu/pubs/soilprofile/sp-v16.pdf

http://www.epa.gov/nrmrl/lrpcd/wm/projects/135367.htm
--

It is outdated information and this is a dead horse you guys are beating.

This mine waste product everyone continues to disparge hasn't been around
since 2006
when the brand was sold and the ingredients changed. There is nothing
harmful in Ironite products today.

As for the greensand, kelp and fish ferts as organic or alternatives? I'm
betting no anyone here has actually compared the arsenic and lead levels in
these various alternative products to the levels in the Ironite products
presently on the market today. If so, please show the reference with
date. If referencing a lawsuit, please show the actual outcome, not the
news release.

Gunner

In article ss,
"gunner" wrote:

It is outdated information and this is a dead horse you guys are beating.

This mine waste product everyone continues to disparge hasn't been around
since 2006
when the brand was sold and the ingredients changed. There is nothing
harmful in Ironite products today.

Two years out of date? Get Real. What do yo want the last six days?

Bill

.......
Read it and weep.

This from a bush EPA. Yikes.

...............

Release of Heavy Metals from Ironite®
Ironite® is a common fertilizer made from mine tailings available at any
lawn and garden store. The presence of heavy metals in Ironite® has
resulted in its banning in Canada and lawsuits in the United States due
to the potential release of heavy metals, most notably arsenic and lead.
Bioavailable arsenic released from Ironite® is dependent on its
mineralogical form. Previous work sponsored by the producer of Ironite®
identified the arsenic bearing phase as arsenopyrite with the conclusion
that arsenic in that form does not pose an ecological threat. However, a
closer look with EXAFS has identified the arsenic phase within Ironite®
as scorodite-like. Scorodite is more soluble than arsenopyrite, in fact,
the dissolved arsenic released from scorodite can exceed the US drinking
water standard. In addition to the data collected at Argonne National
Labs in February 2005 that identified arsenate sorbed to iron oxides as
the dominant arsenic bearing phase, secondary identification techniques
are currently being used to confirm this finding such as
thermogravimetric analysis and Mössbauer spectroscopy.
Contacts:
Kirk Scheckel, 513/487-2865
Aaron Williams, 513/487-2878
Christopher Impelliteri, 513/487-2872
Thabet Tolaymat, 513/487-2860
James Ryan, 513/569-7653
(EIMS#135367)


..............

Mine waste Good radioactive waste better. Spoken goatlike.
Sheesh...

--
Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA

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"gunner" wrote:

"Billy" wrote in message
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In article ,
"Marie Dodge" wrote:

"Billy" wrote in message
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In article ,
"Marie Dodge" wrote:

"Jangchub" wrote in message
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It's a shame that you don't understand the consequences of your actions
or that it's not just your environment that you are degrading.

What has that 10 yr. old article got to do with Ironite? It's not even
mentioned.


For those of you who understand English, I recommend
http://www.dirtdoctor.com/view_question.php?id=120#

njaes.rutgers.edu/pubs/soilprofile/sp-v16.pdf

http://www.epa.gov/nrmrl/lrpcd/wm/projects/135367.htm
--

It is outdated information and this is a dead horse you guys are beating.

This mine waste product everyone continues to disparge hasn't been around
since 2006
when the brand was sold and the ingredients changed. There is nothing
harmful in Ironite products today.

snip

Citation please.

Gunner
--

Billy
Bush and Pelosi Behind Bars
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1016232.html

"gunner" wrote in message
access...

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"Marie Dodge" wrote:

"Billy" wrote in message
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"Jangchub" wrote in message
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Ironite is being sold by Central Garden and Pet of Walnut Grove CA who
acquired the Ironite Name brand in 2006:
http://tinyurl.com/6ldbxb


http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...4/ai_n26835785

http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix....6690&highlight

http://sec.edgar-online.com/2006/08/.../Section10.asp


the SEC filings list some of the subsidiaries such as GrowTec and Lilly
Miller which also distribute Ironite today.

Jan chub, to address your retort to my statement about arsenic in greensand
as "not bloody likely". I'm afraid so.

You can believe these or not but do some actual research on some of the
other States that now also test and have these Ironite products on their
approved list:

The Ferettel Co.'s (PA) Greensand 0-0-3 was 5.8 ppm and 30 ppm of
arsenic/lead respectively,

GRO TEC's (GA) product IRONITE PLUS 7-6-6 was 0.001ppm /0.7 ppm
arsenic/lead respectively,

GRO TEC's 1-0-1 product was 5.5509ppm /0.1ppm arsenic/lead respectively,

ALASKA FISH FERTILIZER CO , Portland, OR ALASKA DRY PURE FISH FERTILIZER
8-5-1 W-Y was Arsenic: 9.3, Lead: 4.6 ( note this is also a sub of Central
Garden and Pet)

AGROWCHEM INC KINGSTON ONT CN KELP EXTRACT POWDER 1-0-19
Arsenic: 28.6, Lead: 1

WEST COAST MARINE BIO-PROCESSING Company, BC CN
Arsenic: 10, Lead: .02

Source: http://agr.wa.gov/PestFert/Fertilize...ctDatabase.htm
approved product list for sale in WA State.

Even Dr Scheckel from the EPA news brief you both keep referencing stated
he believes that they changed their formula when he sent me a copy of the
actual study to review.

Spoken goatlike.
I hope your doctor can fix that for ya, Billy.

Yes, I was wondering about the killfile also

In article ss,
"gunner" wrote:

Spoken goatlike.
I'm sorry. Am I too Gruff for you ;O)

I hope your doctor can fix that for ya, Billy.

And I hope you find better games to play. If you think you know
something, give a citation.
--

Billy
Bush and Pelosi Behind Bars
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1016232.html

sometime in the recent past Jangchub posted this:
These articles not only don't say anything, one of them says the
company's listing on the NASDAQ is in question pending an earlier
claim made by an employee.

All the otherr claims below are also not accurate. Arsenic does not
come in one form. I think I'll avoid Ironite. Do as you wish, but
you have not furnished any information which disputes that Ironite has
the same class of arsenic as that of naturally occuring in greensand.
You are mixing yourself up. Unwind and take a breath. Do as you
wish. I couldn't care less.

On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 19:13:27 -0700, "gunner"
wrote:

Ironite is being sold by Central Garden and Pet of Walnut Grove CA who
acquired the Ironite Name brand in 2006:
http://tinyurl.com/6ldbxb


http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...4/ai_n26835785

http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix....6690&highlight

http://sec.edgar-online.com/2006/08/.../Section10.asp


the SEC filings list some of the subsidiaries such as GrowTec and Lilly
Miller which also distribute Ironite today.

Jan chub, to address your retort to my statement about arsenic in greensand
as "not bloody likely". I'm afraid so.

You can believe these or not but do some actual research on some of the
other States that now also test and have these Ironite products on their
approved list:

The Ferettel Co.'s (PA) Greensand 0-0-3 was 5.8 ppm and 30 ppm of
arsenic/lead respectively,

GRO TEC's (GA) product IRONITE PLUS 7-6-6 was 0.001ppm /0.7 ppm
arsenic/lead respectively,

GRO TEC's 1-0-1 product was 5.5509ppm /0.1ppm arsenic/lead respectively,

ALASKA FISH FERTILIZER CO , Portland, OR ALASKA DRY PURE FISH FERTILIZER
8-5-1 W-Y was Arsenic: 9.3, Lead: 4.6 ( note this is also a sub of Central
Garden and Pet)

AGROWCHEM INC KINGSTON ONT CN KELP EXTRACT POWDER 1-0-19
Arsenic: 28.6, Lead: 1

WEST COAST MARINE BIO-PROCESSING Company, BC CN
Arsenic: 10, Lead: .02

Source: http://agr.wa.gov/PestFert/Fertilize...ctDatabase.htm
approved product list for sale in WA State.

Even Dr Scheckel from the EPA news brief you both keep referencing stated
he believes that they changed their formula when he sent me a copy of the
actual study to review.

Spoken goatlike.
I hope your doctor can fix that for ya, Billy.

Yes, I was wondering about the killfile also


http://gotbodhicitta-wangmo.blogspot.com/
Security is not what I have, it's what I can do without,,,
And if you have acquired a product line from a company that went out of
business because of the dangers found in that product, wouldn't good
business dictate that they would at least change the name? They must have
sold a ton before they went out of business to acquire such a loyal following.

I'll never forget my father-in-law up in his blueberry fields with his
portable oxygen tank dying with lung cancer spraying Roundup on the weeds.
Or my neighbor who also died of lung cancer standing there telling me, while
smoking a cigar, of all the things he did that the 'left' called unhealthy
and that hadn't harmed him. Then a quizzically look came over his face and
he said, 'Well, I guess they did.'

Anecdotal or not, some people will never take anything as evidence of health
risks. It's downright un-American to not buy and use anything they damn well
want to. To them I say go for it, win the Darwin award, but stop poisoning
the rest of the world while you're at it.

You can lead an ass to water, but you can't hold it's head under 'til the
bubbles stop.

Dead thread, my 2 cents - Elvis has left the building.


--
Wilson N44º39" W67º12"

--
Wilson N44º39" W67º12"

"Jangchub" wrote in message
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On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 11:31:57 -0700, "gunner"
wrote:



It is outdated information and this is a dead horse you guys are beating.

This mine waste product everyone continues to disparge hasn't been around
since 2006
when the brand was sold and the ingredients changed. There is nothing
harmful in Ironite products today.

As for the greensand, kelp and fish ferts as organic or alternatives? I'm
betting no anyone here has actually compared the arsenic and lead levels
in
these various alternative products to the levels in the Ironite products
presently on the market today. If so, please show the reference with
date. If referencing a lawsuit, please show the actual outcome, not the
news release.

Gunner

There have been several citations posted here. Now, since you are
challenging them all, please provide information which says since the
brand was sold, the ingredients changed. Please prove yourself.

As for arsenic levels found in greensand; not bloody likely.

The point here is not ONLY the overuse or misuse of Ironite, it is
information which is currently informing people who garden that it is
more than just a plant and a synthetic fertilizer which will sustain
health in plants. The proof is in the pudding. Not some, but all
people I know who garden organically, not using any pesticides at all
of any nature, have virtually no insect infestations. Rather, they
have a more balanced situation where some pests are there and
tolerated until their predators are allowed to catch up. Eventually,
there are enough beneficial insects to dispel infestations.

Insects like green lacewings, ladybeetles and other insects while in
larval phase are vorascious eaters of spider mites, aphids, and most
other pest insects.

Do your own research, don't blindly believe me. But do give me proof
the brand, after being sold no longer poses a threat.
http://gotbodhicitta-wangmo.blogspot.com/
Security is not what I have, it's what I can do without,,,

Any money bets from either of you Two?

In article ss,
"gunner" wrote:

"Jangchub" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 11:31:57 -0700, "gunner"
wrote:



It is outdated information and this is a dead horse you guys are beating.

This mine waste product everyone continues to disparge hasn't been around
since 2006
when the brand was sold and the ingredients changed. There is nothing
harmful in Ironite products today.


snip

Any money bets from either of you Two?

Don't be an Arsch. Can you confirm your statement or not?
--

Billy
Bush and Pelosi Behind Bars
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1016232.html

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In article ,
"Marie Dodge" wrote:

Billy, both you and Jangchub stated only a few days ago that you had both
killfiled this troll.

It seems both of you are still reading her. I wonder why you'd bother?

She's a waste of your time and energy.