Just pile it in a heap and let it rot down by itself, or put it on oyur compost heap in layers about 6" thick alternating with ordinary organic matter. Whatever you do, don't lose it.

"Hedgeman" wrote in message
...
'Sacha[_3_ Wrote:
;815227']On 11/9/08 03:45, in article
laccess, "gunner"
wrote:
"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote in message

Mine too. Bloody good stuff is horse poo, but the Brits have had
problems
with weed killers spread on pastures contaminating the poos - it's
then
gone on to kill plants in gardens. I don't have this problem in my
country and it appears that the worst thing to do with the weedkiller
infested British horse poo is to pile it and try to 'age' it - the
poison
apparently doesn't break down going that route but does if spread.-
What poison is it?

-
"The alert is mainly about a substance called aminopryalid in an
agricultural herbicide called Forefront - although similar substances
may be
causing similar effects.

It is a new kind of "hormonal herbicide" * meaning it interferes with
the
growth signals of broad-leaved plants like dandelions and docks, so
they
shoot up too fast and starve, while the surrounding grass is
unaffected.

It has been declared safe to graze cows on treated grass, or on hay
and
silage made from treated meadows. The herbicide passes through their
systems
more or less undigested. But that means it is present in their manure
and
gets into their bedding straw too.

The packaging of Forefront includes warnings about not using affected
manure
and straw on vulnerable plants *including tomatoes, potatoes, peas,
beans,
carrots, lettuce, delphiniums, phlox and roses. But the warning is not
always passed on.

Forefront was launched three years ago and Britain was the first
European
country to use it. Last year, some professional potato growers lost
crops
after spreading manure. An emergency education campaign, aimed at
livestock
farmers, vegetable growers and spraying and spreading contractors
solved
that problem."

Just pile it in a heap and let it rot down by itself, or put it on oyur
compost heap in layers about 6" thick alternating with ordinary organic
matter. Whatever you do, don't lose it.

Why don't you try reading the thread for comprehension in addition to using
a newsreader that gives you decent attributions?

The problem with the herbicide infected British horse poop is that IF it's
piled, the problem doesn't go away. This herbicide is nasty and piliing it
is NOT the way to deal with the problem of contamination.

"Ed" ex@directory wrote in message
et...
First time allotment holder, seeking advice...


The local riding stables have left a whole big load of horse manure
outside of our allotment site for folk to use. It is pretty fresh (great
strong pong from it) and it contains only a moderate amount of straw.

Notwithstanding the warnings I have seen on this list and elsewhere
regarding contamination with weed killers and the like, how can I
beneficially use this stuff?

Can I use this manure straight away on the beds in my plot as a top mulch
and dig it in next spring? Or should I just add it to my compost bins and
let it mature there for, say, a year and then use it?

Also which plants would benefit from an application of manure? I seem to
recall that root crops don't like recently manured beds?

Ed

Why not ask them if any weedkiller has been used on the pasture land where
the horses are.

Generally speaking it is not horse manure that has been the problem, but cow
manure. It appears that horses are far less tolerant to weedkillers than
cows so weedkillers are not used. I understand (from a local stables) that
cows only eat grass and leave the other stuff but horses eat almost
everything.

Unfortunately I've got a couple or three tons of contaminated cow manure on
one of my plots. It has killed everything except couch grass. I'm suing the
farmer. I'm now using only horse manure which I know has not been
contaminated.

PDM

On 25/09/08 09:52, PDM wrote:

Unfortunately I've got a couple or three tons of contaminated cow manure on
one of my plots. It has killed everything except couch grass. I'm suing the
farmer. I'm now using only horse manure which I know has not been
contaminated.

PDM

Did you pay money for the cow manure?

Ed

"Ed" ex@directory wrote in message
et...
On 25/09/08 09:52, PDM wrote:

Unfortunately I've got a couple or three tons of contaminated cow manure
on one of my plots. It has killed everything except couch grass. I'm
suing the farmer. I'm now using only horse manure which I know has not
been contaminated.

PDM

Did you pay money for the cow manure?

Ed

Yes I did. And a lot on dificult to get seed potatoes which were all ruined.

PDM

On 29/9/08 10:20, in article ,
"PDM" pdcm99minus this wrote:


"Ed" ex@directory wrote in message
et...
On 25/09/08 09:52, PDM wrote:

Unfortunately I've got a couple or three tons of contaminated cow manure
on one of my plots. It has killed everything except couch grass. I'm
suing the farmer. I'm now using only horse manure which I know has not
been contaminated.

PDM

Did you pay money for the cow manure?

Ed

Yes I did. And a lot on dificult to get seed potatoes which were all ruined.

PDM


I don't know if suing the farmer will get you anywhere. The problem seems
to lie with pasture that has been sprayed with a permitted herbicide. If
'your' farmer didn't know this could cause a problem, he can hardly be at
fault. There was no deliberate intention to wreck your crops. BTW, because
the answer lies in the grass and possibly in wood shavings used for horse
bedding, horse manure is said to be affected, too so I hope it's not too
late to prevent you from using that on your crops. If you haven't seen it
already, this might interest you. There is some mention of compensation in
one paragraph.
http://www.glallotments.btik.com/p_M...continued.ikml

--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon
(new website online)

Mother Earth News has an article about this very subject in their
current issue.

Linky:
http://www.motherearthnews.com/Organ...en-Threat.aspx

If in doubt, ask the farmer/rancher if any pesticides were used in
their pastures.

Cheers!




On Sep 11, 1:13*am, Sacha wrote:
On 11/9/08 03:45, in article
s, "gunner"



wrote:

"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote in message
...
"Dee" wrote in message

Fresh manure can be used as a top mulch, but IME it's very important
to make sure the manure does not directly touch any plants, as it
will cause problems (burning, stunting) otherwise. *Top mulching of
the manure allows rain water to seep through it and down to the roots
of the plants, effectively giving them 'manure tea', while the
wormies go to work incorporating it into the soil. *It may be that by
next spring there will be nothing left to turn under into the soil,
as the worms will have done it for you. *That has been my experience,
anyway.

Mine too. *Bloody good stuff is horse poo, but the Brits have had problems
with weed killers spread on pastures contaminating the poos - it's then
gone on to kill plants in gardens. *I don't have this problem in my
country and it appears that the worst thing to do with the weedkiller
infested British horse poo is to pile it and try to 'age' it - the poison
apparently doesn't break down going that route but does if spread.
What poison is it?

"The alert is mainly about a substance called aminopryalid in an
agricultural herbicide called Forefront - although similar substances may be
causing similar effects.

It is a new kind of "hormonal herbicide" * meaning it interferes with the
growth signals of broad-leaved plants like dandelions and docks, so they
shoot up too fast and starve, while the surrounding grass is unaffected.

It has been declared safe to graze cows on treated grass, or on hay and
silage made from treated meadows. The herbicide passes through their systems
more or less undigested. But that means it is present in their manure and
gets into their bedding straw too.

The packaging of Forefront includes warnings about not using affected manure
and straw on vulnerable plants *including tomatoes, potatoes, peas, beans,
carrots, lettuce, delphiniums, phlox and roses. But the warning is not
always passed on.

Forefront was launched three years ago and Britain was the first European
country to use it. Last year, some professional potato growers lost crops
after spreading manure. An emergency education campaign, aimed at livestock
farmers, vegetable growers and spraying and spreading contractors solved
that problem."

http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/...er-manure-pois...
491.jp
--
Sachahttp://www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon

I live in the US in Iowa.

Farmers here generally use pig manure which smells just god awful but
seems to always work efficiently for them... at my work we have cow
manure in bags which people find affective.

"Sacha" wrote in message
...
On 29/9/08 10:20, in article ,
"PDM" pdcm99minus this wrote:


"Ed" ex@directory wrote in message
et...
On 25/09/08 09:52, PDM wrote:

Unfortunately I've got a couple or three tons of contaminated cow
manure
on one of my plots. It has killed everything except couch grass. I'm
suing the farmer. I'm now using only horse manure which I know has not
been contaminated.

PDM

Did you pay money for the cow manure?

Ed

Yes I did. And a lot on dificult to get seed potatoes which were all
ruined.

PDM


I don't know if suing the farmer will get you anywhere. The problem seems
to lie with pasture that has been sprayed with a permitted herbicide. If
'your' farmer didn't know this could cause a problem, he can hardly be at
fault. There was no deliberate intention to wreck your crops. BTW,
because
the answer lies in the grass and possibly in wood shavings used for horse
bedding, horse manure is said to be affected, too so I hope it's not too
late to prevent you from using that on your crops. If you haven't seen it
already, this might interest you. There is some mention of compensation
in
one paragraph.
http://www.glallotments.btik.com/p_M...continued.ikml

--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon
(new website online)

The weedkiller instructions for use make it clear that any manure should
only be used where non grass food crops, such as Rye, are grown and they
specifically state manure should not be used on any other crop. The farmer
knew this when he delivered the manure. He and every other farmer who did
this is liable. This means he is responsible for his negligence under
British law. Sale of Goods Act for starters. He has already in part admitted
responsibility. There are about 30 or more people suing him. This is
happening throughout the uk.

PDM

On 30/9/08 23:47, in article ,
"PDM" pdcm99minus this wrote:


"Sacha" wrote in message
...
On 29/9/08 10:20, in article ,
"PDM" pdcm99minus this wrote:


"Ed" ex@directory wrote in message
et...
On 25/09/08 09:52, PDM wrote:

Unfortunately I've got a couple or three tons of contaminated cow
manure
on one of my plots. It has killed everything except couch grass. I'm
suing the farmer. I'm now using only horse manure which I know has not
been contaminated.

PDM

Did you pay money for the cow manure?

Ed

Yes I did. And a lot on dificult to get seed potatoes which were all
ruined.

PDM


I don't know if suing the farmer will get you anywhere. The problem seems
to lie with pasture that has been sprayed with a permitted herbicide. If
'your' farmer didn't know this could cause a problem, he can hardly be at
fault. There was no deliberate intention to wreck your crops. BTW,
because
the answer lies in the grass and possibly in wood shavings used for horse
bedding, horse manure is said to be affected, too so I hope it's not too
late to prevent you from using that on your crops. If you haven't seen it
already, this might interest you. There is some mention of compensation
in
one paragraph.
http://www.glallotments.btik.com/p_M...continued.ikml

--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon
(new website online)

The weedkiller instructions for use make it clear that any manure should
only be used where non grass food crops, such as Rye, are grown and they
specifically state manure should not be used on any other crop. The farmer
knew this when he delivered the manure. He and every other farmer who did
this is liable. This means he is responsible for his negligence under
British law. Sale of Goods Act for starters. He has already in part admitted
responsibility. There are about 30 or more people suing him. This is
happening throughout the uk.

PDM



Ah well, another farmer out of business, I suppose.
--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon
(new website online)

"PDM" pdcm99minus this wrote in message

The weedkiller instructions for use make it clear that any manure should
only be used where non grass food crops, such as Rye, are grown and they
specifically state manure should not be used on any other crop. The farmer
knew this when he delivered the manure. He and every other farmer who did
this is liable. This means he is responsible for his negligence under
British law. Sale of Goods Act for starters. He has already in part
admitted responsibility. There are about 30 or more people suing him. This
is happening throughout the uk.

What sort of weedkiller is it that the farmer used? Is there some new
weedkiller involved now? I'd heard about aminopyralid and clopyrolid but
nothing else.

,snip
Ah well, another farmer out of business, I suppose.
--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon
(new website online)

No actually, he's insured.

PDM

What sort of weedkiller is it that the farmer used? Is there some new
weedkiller involved now? I'd heard about aminopyralid and clopyrolid but
nothing else.
One of the above, can't remember which one now.
PDM

On 1/10/08 19:48, in article ,
"PDM" pdcm99minus this wrote:

What sort of weedkiller is it that the farmer used? Is there some new
weedkiller involved now? I'd heard about aminopyralid and clopyrolid but
nothing else.
One of the above, can't remember which one now.
PDM


Won't you need to know for a legal case?

--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon
(new website online)

"Sacha" wrote in message
"PDM" pdcm99minus this wrote:

What sort of weedkiller is it that the farmer used? Is there some new
weedkiller involved now? I'd heard about aminopyralid and clopyrolid
but
nothing else.

One of the above, can't remember which one now.
PDM

Won't you need to know for a legal case?

I'm beginning to suspect s/he might be pulling our chain about suing the
farmer.

No-one with any sense would sue over lost spuds even if the spuds had been
special ones. It'd be a case of cutting off ones nose to spite one's face.
The cost of not winning would be horrendous and even if one did win then the
manure supply would either dry up immediately or become exhorbitant. People
in the UK already seem to have enough trouble getting manure in bulk. Can
you imagine the price it'd have to be to cover the increased risk of being
sued?