First time allotment holder, seeking advice...


The local riding stables have left a whole big load of horse manure
outside of our allotment site for folk to use. It is pretty fresh
(great strong pong from it) and it contains only a moderate amount of
straw.

Notwithstanding the warnings I have seen on this list and elsewhere
regarding contamination with weed killers and the like, how can I
beneficially use this stuff?

Can I use this manure straight away on the beds in my plot as a top
mulch and dig it in next spring? Or should I just add it to my compost
bins and let it mature there for, say, a year and then use it?

Also which plants would benefit from an application of manure? I seem
to recall that root crops don't like recently manured beds?

Ed

On 9 Sep, 15:55, Ed ex@directory wrote:
First time allotment holder, seeking advice...

The local riding stables have left a whole big load of horse manure
outside of our allotment site for folk to use. *It is pretty fresh
(great strong pong from it) and it contains only a moderate amount *of
straw.

Notwithstanding the warnings I have seen on this list and elsewhere
regarding contamination with weed killers and the like, how can I
beneficially use this stuff?

Can I use this *manure straight away on the beds in my plot as a top
mulch and dig it in next spring? *Or should I just add it to my compost
bins and let it mature there for, say, *a year and then use it?

Also which plants would benefit from an application of manure? *I seem
to recall that root crops don't like recently manured beds?

Ed

I wish they'd leave me a few loads.
It wasn't long ago "They" were saying dont use horse manure with
shavings
My neighbours use shavings and sell all the manure they have from 4
horses at 50p a bag
David Hill

Some friends of mine make 'tea' from their horse manure, since that
eliminates the possibility of weeds I think they said. I believe what they
do is put the manure in a big huge dark colored barrel and add water and
cover it and let it sit for a few days, then strain and spray the 'tea' in
their plant beds.

"Ed" ex@directory wrote in message
et...
First time allotment holder, seeking advice...


The local riding stables have left a whole big load of horse manure
outside of our allotment site for folk to use. It is pretty fresh
(great strong pong from it) and it contains only a moderate amount of
straw.

Notwithstanding the warnings I have seen on this list and elsewhere
regarding contamination with weed killers and the like, how can I
beneficially use this stuff?

Can I use this manure straight away on the beds in my plot as a top
mulch and dig it in next spring? Or should I just add it to my compost
bins and let it mature there for, say, a year and then use it?

Also which plants would benefit from an application of manure? I seem
to recall that root crops don't like recently manured beds?

Ed

If you can spread it on your beds and cover it with mulch for a month. the
worms will do the work for you. We got onions the size of softballs and
enough Borlatti beans to last us through next season.

Mike

In article , Ed
ex@directory wrote:

First time allotment holder, seeking advice...


The local riding stables have left a whole big load of horse manure
outside of our allotment site for folk to use. It is pretty fresh
(great strong pong from it) and it contains only a moderate amount of
straw.

Notwithstanding the warnings I have seen on this list and elsewhere
regarding contamination with weed killers and the like, how can I
beneficially use this stuff?

Can I use this manure straight away on the beds in my plot as a top
mulch and dig it in next spring? Or should I just add it to my compost
bins and let it mature there for, say, a year and then use it?

Also which plants would benefit from an application of manure? I seem
to recall that root crops don't like recently manured beds?

Ed

As far as using anything with the word "fresh" in front of it with trees -
is not recommended for use. Composted wood chips, composted manure and such
are great for mulch once composted and if applied "correctly".
You could mix composted manure with composted wood chips and leaves as mulch
for trees.


Mulching -
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/M/mulch.html

Two good articles written by Dr. Shigo with respect to mulch.

Improper Fertilization (See A Touch of Chemistry)
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/shigo/CHEM.html

Troubles in the Rhizosphere
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/shigo/RHIZO.html

Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Tree Biologist
www.treedictionary.com
and
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
Watch out for so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, tornado's, volcanic eruptions and other
abiotic forces keep reminding humans that they are not the boss.



"Dave Hill" wrote in message
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On 9 Sep, 15:55, Ed ex@directory wrote:
First time allotment holder, seeking advice...

The local riding stables have left a whole big load of horse manure
outside of our allotment site for folk to use. It is pretty fresh
(great strong pong from it) and it contains only a moderate amount of
straw.

Notwithstanding the warnings I have seen on this list and elsewhere
regarding contamination with weed killers and the like, how can I
beneficially use this stuff?

Can I use this manure straight away on the beds in my plot as a top
mulch and dig it in next spring? Or should I just add it to my compost
bins and let it mature there for, say, a year and then use it?

Also which plants would benefit from an application of manure? I seem
to recall that root crops don't like recently manured beds?

Ed

I wish they'd leave me a few loads.
It wasn't long ago "They" were saying dont use horse manure with
shavings
My neighbours use shavings and sell all the manure they have from 4
horses at 50p a bag
David Hill

"Ed" ex@directory wrote in message
et...
First time allotment holder, seeking advice...


The local riding stables have left a whole big load of horse manure
outside of our allotment site for folk to use. It is pretty fresh (great
strong pong from it) and it contains only a moderate amount of straw.

Notwithstanding the warnings I have seen on this list and elsewhere
regarding contamination with weed killers and the like, how can I
beneficially use this stuff?

I used to spread fresh mixed manure's with straw bedding, grass clippings
and wood shavings mixed in over the gardens in the fall and let it decompose
all winter. They called it sheet composting where I lived at the time. In
spring it was turned in. The plants thrived.


Can I use this manure straight away on the beds in my plot as a top mulch
and dig it in next spring? Or should I just add it to my compost bins and
let it mature there for, say, a year and then use it?

Also which plants would benefit from an application of manure? I seem to
recall that root crops don't like recently manured beds?

Ed

On Sep 9, 10:55*am, Ed ex@directory wrote:
First time allotment holder, seeking advice...

The local riding stables have left a whole big load of horse manure
outside of our allotment site for folk to use. *It is pretty fresh
(great strong pong from it) and it contains only a moderate amount *of
straw.

Notwithstanding the warnings I have seen on this list and elsewhere
regarding contamination with weed killers and the like, how can I
beneficially use this stuff?

Can I use this *manure straight away on the beds in my plot as a top
mulch and dig it in next spring? *Or should I just add it to my compost
bins and let it mature there for, say, *a year and then use it?

Also which plants would benefit from an application of manure? *I seem
to recall that root crops don't like recently manured beds?

Ed

An organic farmer that used to post here did not like the idea of
using manure on food crops as it contained a strong pesticide used to
keep flies down.

Ed ex@directory wrote in
et:

First time allotment holder, seeking advice...


The local riding stables have left a whole big load of horse
manure outside of our allotment site for folk to use. It is
pretty fresh (great strong pong from it) and it contains only a
moderate amount of straw.

Notwithstanding the warnings I have seen on this list and
elsewhere regarding contamination with weed killers and the like,
how can I beneficially use this stuff?

Can I use this manure straight away on the beds in my plot as a
top mulch and dig it in next spring? Or should I just add it to
my compost bins and let it mature there for, say, a year and then
use it?

Also which plants would benefit from an application of manure? I
seem to recall that root crops don't like recently manured beds?

Ed

Fresh manure can be used as a top mulch, but IME it's very important
to make sure the manure does not directly touch any plants, as it
will cause problems (burning, stunting) otherwise. Top mulching of
the manure allows rain water to seep through it and down to the roots
of the plants, effectively giving them 'manure tea', while the
wormies go to work incorporating it into the soil. It may be that by
next spring there will be nothing left to turn under into the soil,
as the worms will have done it for you. That has been my experience,
anyway.

Dee

In article
,
Frank wrote:

An organic farmer that used to post here did not like the idea of
using manure on food crops as it contained a strong pesticide used to
keep flies down.

I've never owned horses but I thought most stable used fan systems now.
No?

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In article
,
Frank wrote:

An organic farmer that used to post here did not like the idea of
using manure on food crops as it contained a strong pesticide used to
keep flies down.

I've never owned horses but I thought most stable used fan systems now.
No?

Probably, no.

I've never seen a fan in a stable round b'yer, and I've worked in them,
and know a lot of people with horses. (And free barrows of muck!)

--
Rusty
Direct reply to: horrid dot squeak snailything zetnet point co period uk
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An organic farmer that used to post here did not like the idea of
using manure on food crops as it contained a strong pesticide used to
keep flies down.

I've never owned horses but I thought most stable used fan systems now.
No?

Probably, no.

I've never seen a fan in a stable round b'yer, and I've worked in them,
and know a lot of people with horses. (And free barrows of muck!)

--
Rusty
Direct reply to: horrid dot squeak snailything zetnet point co period uk
Separator in search of a sig

I have horses but never needed any sort of fan system. open top doors are
good enough for me and them. It is possible that a fan of some sort might be
used in the barn type stabling that is used over here and other parts of the
world where all the horses are kept in one large building but thinking about
that they usually have large doors at each end and some have windows and
doors in the sides. A hot country would probably use fans but don't need
them where I am :-)

kate

"Dee" wrote in message

Fresh manure can be used as a top mulch, but IME it's very important
to make sure the manure does not directly touch any plants, as it
will cause problems (burning, stunting) otherwise. Top mulching of
the manure allows rain water to seep through it and down to the roots
of the plants, effectively giving them 'manure tea', while the
wormies go to work incorporating it into the soil. It may be that by
next spring there will be nothing left to turn under into the soil,
as the worms will have done it for you. That has been my experience,
anyway.

Mine too. Bloody good stuff is horse poo, but the Brits have had problems
with weed killers spread on pastures contaminating the poos - it's then gone
on to kill plants in gardens. I don't have this problem in my country and
it appears that the worst thing to do with the weedkiller infested British
horse poo is to pile it and try to 'age' it - the poison apparently doesn't
break down going that route but does if spread.

"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote in message
...
"Dee" wrote in message

Fresh manure can be used as a top mulch, but IME it's very important
to make sure the manure does not directly touch any plants, as it
will cause problems (burning, stunting) otherwise. Top mulching of
the manure allows rain water to seep through it and down to the roots
of the plants, effectively giving them 'manure tea', while the
wormies go to work incorporating it into the soil. It may be that by
next spring there will be nothing left to turn under into the soil,
as the worms will have done it for you. That has been my experience,
anyway.

Mine too. Bloody good stuff is horse poo, but the Brits have had problems
with weed killers spread on pastures contaminating the poos - it's then
gone on to kill plants in gardens. I don't have this problem in my
country and it appears that the worst thing to do with the weedkiller
infested British horse poo is to pile it and try to 'age' it - the poison
apparently doesn't break down going that route but does if spread.
What poison is it?

"gunner" wrote in message
access...

"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote in message
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"Dee" wrote in message

Fresh manure can be used as a top mulch, but IME it's very important
to make sure the manure does not directly touch any plants, as it
will cause problems (burning, stunting) otherwise. Top mulching of
the manure allows rain water to seep through it and down to the roots
of the plants, effectively giving them 'manure tea', while the
wormies go to work incorporating it into the soil. It may be that by
next spring there will be nothing left to turn under into the soil,
as the worms will have done it for you. That has been my experience,
anyway.

Mine too. Bloody good stuff is horse poo, but the Brits have had
problems with weed killers spread on pastures contaminating the poos -
it's then gone on to kill plants in gardens. I don't have this problem
in my country and it appears that the worst thing to do with the
weedkiller infested British horse poo is to pile it and try to 'age' it -
the poison apparently doesn't break down going that route but does if
spread.
What poison is it?

I'd like to know who wastes money spreading weed killers in a pasture. That
makes no sense at all.

On 11/9/08 03:45, in article
laccess, "gunner"
wrote:


"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote in message
...
"Dee" wrote in message

Fresh manure can be used as a top mulch, but IME it's very important
to make sure the manure does not directly touch any plants, as it
will cause problems (burning, stunting) otherwise. Top mulching of
the manure allows rain water to seep through it and down to the roots
of the plants, effectively giving them 'manure tea', while the
wormies go to work incorporating it into the soil. It may be that by
next spring there will be nothing left to turn under into the soil,
as the worms will have done it for you. That has been my experience,
anyway.

Mine too. Bloody good stuff is horse poo, but the Brits have had problems
with weed killers spread on pastures contaminating the poos - it's then
gone on to kill plants in gardens. I don't have this problem in my
country and it appears that the worst thing to do with the weedkiller
infested British horse poo is to pile it and try to 'age' it - the poison
apparently doesn't break down going that route but does if spread.
What poison is it?


"The alert is mainly about a substance called aminopryalid in an
agricultural herbicide called Forefront - although similar substances may be
causing similar effects.

It is a new kind of "hormonal herbicide" * meaning it interferes with the
growth signals of broad-leaved plants like dandelions and docks, so they
shoot up too fast and starve, while the surrounding grass is unaffected.

It has been declared safe to graze cows on treated grass, or on hay and
silage made from treated meadows. The herbicide passes through their systems
more or less undigested. But that means it is present in their manure and
gets into their bedding straw too.

The packaging of Forefront includes warnings about not using affected manure
and straw on vulnerable plants *including tomatoes, potatoes, peas, beans,
carrots, lettuce, delphiniums, phlox and roses. But the warning is not
always passed on.

Forefront was launched three years ago and Britain was the first European
country to use it. Last year, some professional potato growers lost crops
after spreading manure. An emergency education campaign, aimed at livestock
farmers, vegetable growers and spraying and spreading contractors solved
that problem."

http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/...re-poison.4209
491.jp
--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon