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My garden was Off Topic Guns vs. Butter
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"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote: "Billy" wrote in message "FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote: Got my first zuch into the ground today. I had just finished planting the pepper bed when I found my errant Corno di Toros (6). Now I either plant fewer japlapeños or wait for the inevitable demise of some of my other peppers (mostly Quadrato di Asti, which were trendy about 4 years ago). I've started to lose some plants in small 6 packs that are out side. They dry out so quickly. Rain coming in Tue. and part of Wed., after that we are into the high 80s and, for all intents and purposes, summer. Still lots of gardening work to do, and I drag my digging board with me everywhere. Give my regards to your zuchs and tell them that I do promise to plant some of their relatives next year. Love the names of those peppers but I can't tell you any names of the ones I planted other than Thai (small and hot) and 2 bigger and longer ones. I've recently found a good Italian Seed producer though and intend to buy a lot of seeds from them next year. But first I need to find an old Italian gardener who can translate for me. What's a 'digging board'? Anything like an Aborigianl digging stick? :-)) Naw, it's just a board to put down to stand on in the beds, so that I don't compact the soil too much. I got big feet, but the board is better;O) Those Thai peppers, are they the ones that are called Dragon's Teeth? I grew some a couple of years ago. They are nice and hot, and there always seemed to be some on the bushes when I went looking for peppers. Most of the peppers that I'm planting are sweet peppers. I've become addicted to grilled red bell peppers from the garden. My sweety (Spanish/Mexican and German/Roumanian descent) can't abide hot spicy. For me, the heat is about right, if it makes me hiccup. So I've planted Quadrato di Asti ("square peppers from Asti"), Corno di Toro (bull's horns) for sautéing, and a couple of new ones, just to see what they do. I saw Quadrato di Asti in Carlos Petrini's book, "Slow Food Nation: Why Our Food Should Be Good, Clean, And Fair". http://www.amazon.com/Slow-Food-Nati...7829456/ref=sr _1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1272299935&sr=1-1 Not the easiest read in the world, but some interesting stuff in there about good food, and good dining. When it comes to flavor in hot peppers, roasted jalapeños (6 plants) are hard to beat, and for heat, habañeros and Scotch Bonnet (1-2) are where it's at. For translating names, you can always type in "translate, (name)" in Google, or use their "app" Google translate on an iGoogle page. First you have to select "add stuff" from the page, but the rest is easy. Digging stick? Is that like a dibble? A stick that is pointy on one end to make a hole to plant in? I had a really good one, made from an old shovel handle, but it has gone missing, probably in the weeds I haven't cleared yet (I make tea out of them). With the dinky little one I'm using now, I sometimes have to wash some of the dirt off the roots to get the plant to go in the hole. Hope you got your firewood in. G'day -- - Billy "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arn3lF5XSUg http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zinn/HZinn_page.html |
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Off Topic Guns vs. Butter
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brooklyn1 wrote: "FarmI" wrote: "Steve B" wrote: "Higgs Boson" wrote: If a very occasional digression is so offensive to some, why not just scroll past it rather than make a huge issue. reply: Because the drama of the huge issue is more exciting for them than using logic. I can not imagine what their every day lives must be like. Now that is truly funny. The only contributions from you that show on my screen are two posts which are both on this one subject. Your need to add some drama to your own life seems to rate far higher than anything you have to say on the subject of gardening. 'Zactly. Ever notice how those who preach learning are themselves the mental midgets with the lowest IQs. Steve B. is the vacuum who persistantly pestered folks for info about prepping a garden, erecting a greenhouse, irrigation, etc. but never grew so much as a single radish. Steve B. Fraud... Ahhh, Spring and we're back in the garden ;O) -- - Billy "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arn3lF5XSUg http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zinn/HZinn_page.html |
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My garden was Off Topic Guns vs. Butter
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, Billy wrote: In article , "FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote: "Billy" wrote in message "FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote: Got my first zuch into the ground today. I had just finished planting the pepper bed when I found my errant Corno di Toros (6). Now I either plant fewer japlapeños or wait for the inevitable demise of some of my other peppers (mostly Quadrato di Asti, which were trendy about 4 years ago). I've started to lose some plants in small 6 packs that are out side. They dry out so quickly. Rain coming in Tue. and part of Wed., after that we are into the high 80s and, for all intents and purposes, summer. Still lots of gardening work to do, and I drag my digging board with me everywhere. Give my regards to your zuchs and tell them that I do promise to plant some of their relatives next year. Love the names of those peppers but I can't tell you any names of the ones I planted other than Thai (small and hot) and 2 bigger and longer ones. I've recently found a good Italian Seed producer though and intend to buy a lot of seeds from them next year. But first I need to find an old Italian gardener who can translate for me. What's a 'digging board'? Anything like an Aborigianl digging stick? :-)) Naw, it's just a board to put down to stand on in the beds, so that I don't compact the soil too much. I got big feet, but the board is better;O) Those Thai peppers, are they the ones that are called Dragon's Teeth? I grew some a couple of years ago. They are nice and hot, and there always seemed to be some on the bushes when I went looking for peppers. Most of the peppers that I'm planting are sweet peppers. I've become addicted to grilled red bell peppers from the garden. My sweety (Spanish/Mexican and German/Roumanian descent) can't abide hot spicy. For me, the heat is about right, if it makes me hiccup. So I've planted Quadrato di Asti ("square peppers from Asti"), Corno di Toro (bull's horns) for sautéing, and a couple of new ones, just to see what they do. I saw Quadrato di Asti in Carlos Petrini's book, "Slow Food Nation: Why Our Food Should Be Good, Clean, And Fair". http://www.amazon.com/Slow-Food-Nati...7829456/ref=sr _1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1272299935&sr=1-1 Not the easiest read in the world, but some interesting stuff in there about good food, and good dining. When it comes to flavor in hot peppers, roasted jalapeños (6 plants) are hard to beat, and for heat, habañeros and Scotch Bonnet (1-2) are where it's at. For translating names, you can always type in "translate, (name)" in Google, or use their "app" Google translate on an iGoogle page. First you have to select "add stuff" from the page, but the rest is easy. Digging stick? Is that like a dibble? A stick that is pointy on one end to make a hole to plant in? I had a really good one, made from an old shovel handle, but it has gone missing, probably in the weeds I haven't cleared yet (I make tea out of them). With the dinky little one I'm using now, I sometimes have to wash some of the dirt off the roots to get the plant to go in the hole. Hope you got your firewood in. G'day Edible a book a review on my wish list. Bill Organic Farmingıs Guru Excerpt from Edible: A Celebration of Local Foods. Browse more recipes and articles from the book: Sweet Corn Fritters Egg Noodles with Fresh Spring Vegetables Dr. Strangeleaf Organic Farmingıs Guru Scott Chaskey and His Quail Hill Farm It was lunchtime in a little café in Amagansett, New York, a few years back and the actor Alec Baldwin, now a star of 30 Rock, was sitting across from organic farmer Scott Chaskey. A woman hesitantly approached the two men in the booth, recognition lighting her face. She looked from the actor with the contagious smile to the bearded farmer then breathed, ³Arenıt you . . . Scott Chaskey?² Thatıs how a very close friend of Scottıs tells the story. Chaskey, the director of Quail Hill Farm, one of the oldest CSA farms in the country, is almost instantly identifiable by his bushy, flaxen-softened white beard. ³My wife has never seen me without the beard,² he grins. When Megan and Scott, both studying abroad, met in London in 1978, the beard was red. Driving along Deep Lane by the farm you often see the bearded and lean-framed Chaskey silhouetted against the light, driving his tractor along the top of the hill. You easily spot him among the thousand people attending the January Northeast Organic Farmers Association conference in upstate New York. Heıs board president of the 1,700-member group. Heıs everywhere, mentoring growers on organic farms, coaching five farm apprentices, teaching in local elementary schools, guiding childrenıs hands as they learn to seed, and touring graduate students over Quail Hill fields. At last Julyıs potluck supper in the apple orchard, yes, there was the soft-spoken, bearded farmer reading one of his poems, for, as his passport indicates, his profession is ³farmer-poet.² While he may look like he stepped out of a nineteenth-century daguerreotype, Chaskey personifies the new breed of highly educated, highly motivated farmers who are leading Americaıs Community Supported Agriculture movement. ³Farming is my passion,² says Chaskey, who received a masterıs in writing from Antioch University and studied for two years at Oxford University. In the early 1980s, Scott and Megan married and moved to Mousehole, Cornwall, on the English coast. There he heard of the Cliff Meadows on the south-facing slope, known locally as ³the earliest ground in Britain,² which once grew the first new potatoes and first daffodils sent to Covent Garden. Soon, an old Cornish farmer was tutoring him in an ancient understanding of organics and soil. It fits Scottıs persona that he managed to rent Cliff Meadows land to farm, bought an acre he still owns, and single-handedly built a frame house. The Cornishman visited daily. Scott learned. He and Megan, an accomplished flutist, traveled with the first of their three children to Amagansett in 1989 for an extended visit. There they attended a meeting of a CSA to which Meganıs parents belonged. Unexpectedly, Chaskey found himself planting the first crops for Quail Hill Farm, which would open in spring 1990 as a CSA project of Peconic Land Trust. In Amagansett his passion for protecting the soilits structure, its health, the life that thrives in itgrew. It took him several years to nurture the land back to vitality. He began to teach everyone who would listenCSA members, schoolchildren, chefs, other farmersabout the critical need to save diversified organic seeds and the need to farm sustainably. ³I donıt think anyone realizes how central education is to what we do,² he says. There is his other passion, writing and poetry. His second book of nonfiction, Seed Time, its title from a Wordsworth poem, is about the relationship between farming and writing. ³It follows a seed from its development until it blossoms and goes back to seed, just as a writer needs seed time,² says his literary agent, the former editor Paul Bresnick. A charter member of Quail Hill, Bresnick says, ³Iıd always admired the letters Scott wrote to farm members, which always began with some beautiful writing about nature, about land, about wildlife.² Almost a decade ago, Bresnick, now in a new career as a literary agent, persuaded Scott to write a book inspired by the newsletters, This Common GroundSeasons on an Organic Farm. Though the well-reviewed book speaks of nature, fifty-eight-year-old Chaskey doesnıt consider himself primarily a nature poet, though he supposes many do. His real subject is ³the mystery of self and others in relationship to the world. The big picture.² Chaskey reflects on his time at Oxford. ³I had a readerıs card at the Bodleian Library, the Bodleian,² he says, his voice still rising in amazement. ³Itıs an unusual thing to stay active as a writer and to teach without being an academic. So while Iıve done some teaching, Iıve been lucky enough to have a whole different profession, working out-of-doors. . . . Writing a poem requires a lot of space, more space for me than writing prose.² ³Space from people?² a visitor questions. ³Spacewhatever spaceı means. It also involves silence, and more time than Iıve had available for years.² Then, ³The solitude of the back field . . . that can be a very inspirational place, the back field, alone seeding in the earth.² While the five-foot-nine poet may run short of time, time reshaped is one of the bonuses the more than 200 harvest-share members receive along with produce. As you head down the sandy path to the little farm stall, your intention is to fill several sacks with vegetables in August: onions, peppers, red fingerlings, fennelquickly harvest some jade beans and eggplant from the fields, and dash off . You take only a few steps past the wild blackberry bushes and milkweed when you feel your breath let go as the mystique of the oasis Chaskey has nurtured in the midst of prime Hamptons real estate takes hold. ³When you walk into Quail Hill, you walk out of a nine-to-five business time frame into seasonal time,² says Kristi Hood, chef-owner of the nearby Springs General Store. Like many members, she has contributed recipes to two editions of the Quail Hill Farm Cookbook. It is a sophisticated primer on preparing the diverse variety of vegetables a CSA grows. Says Hood, ³Scott is very much in sync with the land. He extends his love into the land, his love into what he grows. He is a lovely, spacey, delightful man.² You sense this personality in his cookbook introduction. In 1988, Chaskey was intent on nourishing his beloved soil, not a social community. It quickly became obvious that a very social community was growing alongside the vegetables, and in winter, when land lay silent under ground cover, its friendships deepened. ³The extraordinary thing about this Community Supported Agriculture movement,² says Chaskey, ³is that it came out of a need that many people had to re-create community. Itıs reached so many. I never had any calculation in the beginning of trying to create something like this. But itıs how itıs spun out basically.² Twice monthly, Chaskey broadcasts his thoughts on this ³broad communityof the soils, of people, of animals² on WLIU, the local NPR station. Those Scott touches support his community as it interacts with the outside community. There are occasional classes, perhaps on canning or bees. In the apple orchard there is a community pancake breakfast and a gala fund-raising dinner with 150 sitting at a single, long, candlelit, white-clothed table. Top local chefs prepare these meals, clearly volunteering their time with enthusiasm. Scott is a singular man. There is a palpable chemistry that draws others to him, perhaps because he is so soft-spoken and seems accessible, perhaps because his passions are so visible. That is why he connects as a teacher. He often arrives in East End classrooms with packets of seeds, soil mix, compost, worm casings. At East Hamptonıs independent Ross School, students receive a hands-on understanding of the importance of natureıs cycles. After meals students walk into a narrow passageway and scrape their plates into compost bins. Twice a week these scraps are carted to Quail Hillıs compost heap. ³When the Ross kids come out to plant in the spring they see their compost is part of nourishing the soil. Then they help plant the crops that they eat at school. So itıs the whole cycle.² In addition to farming more than 275 varieties of produce, herbs, and flowers on 6 acres for the CSA, the farm grows crops on another 24 for schools and restaurants, and shepherds 120 more for Quail Hillıs Preserve. Chaskey has inspired many with his local, seasonal message. Joe Realmuto, executive chef at the top East Hampton restaurant Nick and Toniıs, says, ³Fifteen years ago, Scott gave us gardening lessons on what to grow, when to grow. Heıs an artist so in touch with the earth.² On nearby land preserved by the Land Trust, Chaskey set up tents for inner-city children from Camp Erutan (nature spelled backward) to camp overlooking Gardiners Bay and to learn to finger Quail Hill soil. Says Chaskey, ³Start-up CSAs come hereone a year for ten yearswith their list of questions. They help us seed; we give or sell them the transplants.² When Scott arrived he found only one other organic farm, The Green Thumb, on Long Islandıs South Fork. There are now several dozen on Long Islandıs East End. Chaskey has mentored most. ³There is something very grounding and centered about Scottıs perspective on the world around us,² says Fred Lee, a North Fork organic grower and owner of Sang Lee Farms in Peconic. ³His poetry dovetails and complements his farming. There are times I think, I canıt do this.ı Seeing how stable and competent Scott seems to be adds to my confidence, [and I realize,] yes, it can be done!² Scottıs influence, passion, and efforts to teach both growers and consumers about saving diverse organic seeds and expanding sustainable agriculture to rebuild soil extend throughout the Northeast. Heıs been on the NOFA board for ten years, its president for two. Board member Elizabeth Henderson of Peacework Farm speaks of the power of Chaskeyıs soft-spoken delivery and how he overcame earlier animus. ³Under Scottıs leadership thereıs cooperation and negotiation rather than hidden agendas and secret plotting against each other.² Heıs also a board member of Vermontıs Center for Whole Communities. Despite his deep roots in the organic community, Chaskey is a questioning soul. ³What is my view of current organic standards?² he asks. ³I guess you can tell because weıre not certified, although Quail Hill grows organically. Weıre choosing at Quail Hill not to be certified, even though Iım on the board of NOFA New York, which is a certifier. What I donıt support is the attempts at manipulation by big business.² What he strongly supports is certification for the many dairy farmers whom NOFA is helping transition to organic operation and teaching consumers about the virtues of organic milk. For Chaskey, the bottom line for agriculture across the land and in the solitude of the back field is sustainability. ³It takes nature 700 years to build one inch of topsoil. The worldıs six-inch layer of topsoil upon which all agriculture depends is endangered by intensive industrial farming.² He hopes to revive an ³effective NOFA organic seed program that connected farmers and consumers with the importance of maintaining a viable, diverse organic seed supply.² Tomatoes illustrate what Chaskey means about diversity. He actively disliked tomatoes until the mid- 1990s, when a farm member insisted he plant seeds she had saved from an amazing tomato sheıd tasted in New Jersey. ³Hated tomatoes. Why? Because I had never tasted a tomato,² he said. He knew only bland, industrial impersonators. Scott grew out Terri Steinıs seeds, barely believing their flavor. Today, Quail Hill holds a popular community tomato tasting. Some 250 adults and children vote on bite-size samples of the forty-plus varieties Quail Hill now growsMattıs Wild Cherry, Prudenıs Purple, Brandywines, Juane Flamme, Green Zebras. You look down the row of wooden tables and you recognize the man sampling top-ranked Sungolds, the man in the blue-checkered shirt with the contagious smile. Geraldine Pluenneke has written for Newsday, the International Herald Tribune, and other publications, and is writing a book on recovering Americaıs lost flavors and nutrients. She lives in Montauk, New York, and frequents Quail Hill Farm. -- ³That means on average 18 veterans commit suicide each day." Five of those veterans are under our care at VA. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2010/01/ 12/2010-01-12_army_suicide_.html#ixzz0m7nSNTq8 |
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My garden was Off Topic Guns vs. Butter
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Bill who putters wrote: Excerpt from Edible: A Celebration of Local Foods. Browse more recipes and articles from the book: Sweet Corn Fritters Egg Noodles with Fresh Spring Vegetables Dr. Strangeleaf Organic Farmingıs Guru Scott Chaskey and His Quail Hill Farm Thanks for the review. Fortunately, it was just released a week ago, so it will be awhile before my library gets it, if ever, with all the budget cuts (I can say that, right?). We need books like this to bind us together in such a big world. Normal people enjoying the normal pleasures of food. -- - Billy "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arn3lF5XSUg http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zinn/HZinn_page.html |
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Off Topic Guns vs. Butter
"Steve B" wrote in message
"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote in message "Steve B" wrote in message "Higgs Boson" wrote in message If a very occasional digression is so offensive to some, why not just scroll past it rather than make a huge issue. P. Persephone reply: Because the drama of the huge issue is more exciting for them than using logic. I can not imagine what their every day lives must be like. Steve Now that is truly funny. The only contributions from you that show on my screen are two posts which are both on this one subject. Your need to add some drama to your own life seems to rate far higher than anything you have to say on the subject of gardening. New here, huh? LOL. Nice try but you're only fooling yourself. |
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My garden was Off Topic Guns vs. Butter
"Billy" wrote in message
"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote: What's a 'digging board'? Anything like an Aborigianl digging stick? :-)) Naw, it's just a board to put down to stand on in the beds, so that I don't compact the soil too much. I got big feet, but the board is better;O) Ah right - with you now. Those Thai peppers, are they the ones that are called Dragon's Teeth? No name at all other than Thai chili - the lack of names really irritates me, especially the use of commercial names as opposed to botanical names. I grew some a couple of years ago. They are nice and hot, and there always seemed to be some on the bushes when I went looking for peppers. Most of the peppers that I'm planting are sweet peppers. I've become addicted to grilled red bell peppers from the garden. My sweety (Spanish/Mexican and German/Roumanian descent) can't abide hot spicy. Well I have some sympathy there. I love Indian food but not the sort that blows one's brains out from the heat. For me, the heat is about right, if it makes me hiccup. That sounds way too hot to me. For translating names, you can always type in "translate, (name)" in Google, or use their "app" Google translate on an iGoogle page. First you have to select "add stuff" from the page, but the rest is easy. That's a good idea. Thanks for that. Digging stick? Is that like a dibble? A stick that is pointy on one end to make a hole to plant in? It's a stout stick with a pointy end but for digging to get at something not to plant something. Aboriginas were hunter gatherers not farmers. I had a really good one, made from an old shovel handle, but it has gone missing, probably in the weeds I haven't cleared yet (I make tea out of them). With the dinky little one I'm using now, I sometimes have to wash some of the dirt off the roots to get the plant to go in the hole. Hope you got your firewood in. LOL. Not my job. I've got the kindling in so that's the bit I have to worry about. :-)) |
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My garden was Off Topic Guns vs. Butter
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"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote: No name at all other than Thai chili - the lack of names really irritates me, especially the use of commercial names as opposed to botanical names. http://www.nicholsgardennursery.com/store/search-results.php Bill -- ³That means on average 18 veterans commit suicide each day." Five of those veterans are under our care at VA. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2010/01/ 12/2010-01-12_army_suicide_.html#ixzz0m7nSNTq8 |
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"Steve B" wrote: "FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote in message u... "Steve B" wrote in message "Higgs Boson" wrote in message If a very occasional digression is so offensive to some, why not just scroll past it rather than make a huge issue. P. Persephone reply: Because the drama of the huge issue is more exciting for them than using logic. I can not imagine what their every day lives must be like. Steve Now that is truly funny. The only contributions from you that show on my screen are two posts which are both on this one subject. Your need to add some drama to your own life seems to rate far higher than anything you have to say on the subject of gardening. New here, huh? I have posted here for a very long time. But I have been away, because of illness, winter, hospitalization, making a website and kicking that off, traveling, and writing a book. You shall see me here quite a bit now that the weather is good. Welcome to the group. I hope your future posts are also more informative than this one. Steve Funny post ;O) FarmI was posting here when I showed up 3 years ago. Good luck with your recovery ;O)) -- - Billy "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arn3lF5XSUg http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zinn/HZinn_page.html |
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My garden was Off Topic Guns vs. Butter
"Bill who putters" wrote in message
"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote: No name at all other than Thai chili - the lack of names really irritates me, especially the use of commercial names as opposed to botanical names. http://www.nicholsgardennursery.com/store/search-results.php Sadly I can't make any use of that source at all because of quarantine restrictions. :-(( They have some interested stuff though. |
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