In article ,
Bill who putters wrote:

In article ,
"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote:

"Bill who putters" wrote a whole load of crap that
is off topic.

For Pete's sake will you shove your off topic posts up your left nostril
and
set them alight!

I've already seem one other ng absolutely killed by off topic posts which
turned the group from being a generalised discussion group for posters from
aroudn the world to one about US politics and solely US politics. Either
post about garden related topics of STFU.

IWNSTFU Kill file me.

I have yet seen a newsgroup that doesn't go Off Topic, or contend with
trolls or spammers. Sometimes in our exuberance we become excessive, but
it is because of things about which we feel passionately (not to say
that I wouldn't KF Dr. Chung, if he shows up here). Both of you, FarmI
and Emily, are highly respected in this group, and your pronouncements
not lightly taken by myself. I'm sorry, if my continuing rage against
our government, and its murderous policies disturbs you. On the other
hand, we are individuals, each off whom plays our own little parts in
celebrating and furthering gardening. All in all, I think that the good
that we do, outweighs the bad.

Thank you for the criticism, because I know you want to be part of
something better. We all do.
--
- Billy
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arn3lF5XSUg
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zinn/HZinn_page.html

"Billy" wrote in message

I have yet seen a newsgroup that doesn't go Off Topic,

Going 'off topic' as a result of thread drift is one thing but deliberately
posting something that is totally OT is quite another. It is not even as if
any attempt was made to disguise the topic such as writing about perhaps
shooting something in the garden and then weaving in comments that apply
only to arcane US political speak.

or contend with
trolls or spammers. Sometimes in our exuberance we become excessive, but
it is because of things about which we feel passionately (not to say
that I wouldn't KF Dr. Chung, if he shows up here). Both of you, FarmI
and Emily, are highly respected in this group, and your pronouncements
not lightly taken by myself. I'm sorry, if my continuing rage against
our government, and its murderous policies disturbs you.

Don't you think that in an ng where the topic is gardening, that those of us
who come here to read about gardening might be allowed to have a bit of
freedom from American politics? Many posters here don't live in the US so
it's OTT at the very least to foist such posting on us.

On the other
hand, we are individuals, each off whom plays our own little parts in
celebrating and furthering gardening. All in all, I think that the good
that we do, outweighs the bad.

Thank you for the criticism, because I know you want to be part of
something better. We all do.

Which is why I garden. If I want to talk about politics or guns or other
non gardening related issues, I do those in forums where that is the norm.

"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote in message
...
"Billy" wrote in message

I have yet seen a newsgroup that doesn't go Off Topic,

Going 'off topic' as a result of thread drift is one thing but
deliberately posting something that is totally OT is quite another. It is
not even as if any attempt was made to disguise the topic such as writing
about perhaps shooting something in the garden and then weaving in
comments that apply only to arcane US political speak.

or contend with
trolls or spammers. Sometimes in our exuberance we become excessive, but
it is because of things about which we feel passionately (not to say
that I wouldn't KF Dr. Chung, if he shows up here). Both of you, FarmI
and Emily, are highly respected in this group, and your pronouncements
not lightly taken by myself. I'm sorry, if my continuing rage against
our government, and its murderous policies disturbs you.

Don't you think that in an ng where the topic is gardening, that those of
us who come here to read about gardening might be allowed to have a bit of
freedom from American politics? Many posters here don't live in the US so
it's OTT at the very least to foist such posting on us.

On the other
hand, we are individuals, each off whom plays our own little parts in
celebrating and furthering gardening. All in all, I think that the good
that we do, outweighs the bad.

Thank you for the criticism, because I know you want to be part of
something better. We all do.

Which is why I garden. If I want to talk about politics or guns or other
non gardening related issues, I do those in forums where that is the norm.

I usually just read the subject. If it says, say, "How to seduce a sheep",
I don't even click into it, because I have an idea what it is about, I'm no
longer interested in the subject, and don't want to read it. If I click
into a message that is titled Onion cultivation, and see that the thread
drift has taken it into a discussion about the big O, I treat it the same
way, or mark the thread, knowing it has been discussed out.

But that's just me. Some people like to bark about how Usenet should be in
a perfect world. I just adjust to the one I have.

Steve

In article ,
"Steve B" wrote:

"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote in message
...
"Billy" wrote in message

I have yet seen a newsgroup that doesn't go Off Topic,

Going 'off topic' as a result of thread drift is one thing but
deliberately posting something that is totally OT is quite another. It is
not even as if any attempt was made to disguise the topic such as writing
about perhaps shooting something in the garden and then weaving in
comments that apply only to arcane US political speak.

or contend with
trolls or spammers. Sometimes in our exuberance we become excessive, but
it is because of things about which we feel passionately (not to say
that I wouldn't KF Dr. Chung, if he shows up here). Both of you, FarmI
and Emily, are highly respected in this group, and your pronouncements
not lightly taken by myself. I'm sorry, if my continuing rage against
our government, and its murderous policies disturbs you.

Don't you think that in an ng where the topic is gardening, that those of
us who come here to read about gardening might be allowed to have a bit of
freedom from American politics? Many posters here don't live in the US so
it's OTT at the very least to foist such posting on us.

On the other
hand, we are individuals, each off whom plays our own little parts in
celebrating and furthering gardening. All in all, I think that the good
that we do, outweighs the bad.

Thank you for the criticism, because I know you want to be part of
something better. We all do.

Which is why I garden. If I want to talk about politics or guns or other
non gardening related issues, I do those in forums where that is the norm.

I usually just read the subject. If it says, say, "How to seduce a sheep",
I don't even click into it, because I have an idea what it is about, I'm no
longer interested in the subject, and don't want to read it. If I click
into a message that is titled Onion cultivation, and see that the thread
drift has taken it into a discussion about the big O, I treat it the same
way, or mark the thread, knowing it has been discussed out.

But that's just me. Some people like to bark about how Usenet should be in
a perfect world. I just adjust to the one I have.

Steve

Yes and people that know about cabg don't worry about the small
things. Guess I should have wrote cabbage.

--
Bill Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA

In article ,
"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote:

"Billy" wrote in message

I have yet seen a newsgroup that doesn't go Off Topic,

Going 'off topic' as a result of thread drift is one thing but deliberately
posting something that is totally OT is quite another. It is not even as if
any attempt was made to disguise the topic such as writing about perhaps
shooting something in the garden and then weaving in comments that apply
only to arcane US political speak.

or contend with
trolls or spammers. Sometimes in our exuberance we become excessive, but
it is because of things about which we feel passionately (not to say
that I wouldn't KF Dr. Chung, if he shows up here). Both of you, FarmI
and Emily, are highly respected in this group, and your pronouncements
not lightly taken by myself. I'm sorry, if my continuing rage against
our government, and its murderous policies disturbs you.

Don't you think that in an ng where the topic is gardening, that those of us
who come here to read about gardening might be allowed to have a bit of
freedom from American politics? Many posters here don't live in the US so
it's OTT at the very least to foist such posting on us.

On the other
hand, we are individuals, each off whom plays our own little parts in
celebrating and furthering gardening. All in all, I think that the good
that we do, outweighs the bad.

Thank you for the criticism, because I know you want to be part of
something better. We all do.

Which is why I garden. If I want to talk about politics or guns or other
non gardening related issues, I do those in forums where that is the norm.

I do apologize. I shouldn't have let myself become provoked, again.

So how did your garden get on this year? Any notable successes or
failures? Anything that you'll do different next year?
--
- Billy
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arn3lF5XSUg
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zinn/HZinn_page.html

Hi All,


"Steve B" wrote in message
...

"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote in message
...
"Billy" wrote in message

I have yet seen a newsgroup that doesn't go Off Topic,

Going 'off topic' as a result of thread drift is one thing but
deliberately posting something that is totally OT is quite another. It
is not even as if any attempt was made to disguise the topic such as
writing about perhaps shooting something in the garden and then weaving
in comments that apply only to arcane US political speak.

or contend with
trolls or spammers. Sometimes in our exuberance we become excessive, but
it is because of things about which we feel passionately (not to say
that I wouldn't KF Dr. Chung, if he shows up here). Both of you, FarmI
and Emily, are highly respected in this group, and your pronouncements
not lightly taken by myself. I'm sorry, if my continuing rage against
our government, and its murderous policies disturbs you.

Don't you think that in an ng where the topic is gardening, that those of
us who come here to read about gardening might be allowed to have a bit
of freedom from American politics? Many posters here don't live in the
US so it's OTT at the very least to foist such posting on us.

On the other
hand, we are individuals, each off whom plays our own little parts in
celebrating and furthering gardening. All in all, I think that the good
that we do, outweighs the bad.

Thank you for the criticism, because I know you want to be part of
something better. We all do.

Which is why I garden. If I want to talk about politics or guns or other
non gardening related issues, I do those in forums where that is the
norm.

I usually just read the subject. If it says, say, "How to seduce a
sheep", I don't even click into it, because I have an idea what it is
about, I'm no longer interested in the subject, and don't want to read it.
If I click into a message that is titled Onion cultivation, and see that
the thread drift has taken it into a discussion about the big O, I treat
it the same way, or mark the thread, knowing it has been discussed out.

But that's just me. Some people like to bark about how Usenet should be
in a perfect world. I just adjust to the one I have.

Steve
I do not live in the U.S. I still read all the O. T. stuff as I find it
interesting,
and it sretches the mind to see how other people live.

Richard M. Watkin.

On Apr 25, 12:23*pm, "R M Watkin" wrote:
Hi All,

"Steve B" wrote in message

...



"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote in message
u...
"Billy" wrote in message

I have yet seen a newsgroup that doesn't go Off Topic,

Going 'off topic' as a result of thread drift is one thing but
deliberately posting something that is totally OT is quite another. *It
is not even as if any attempt was made to disguise the topic such as
writing about perhaps shooting something in the garden and then weaving
in comments that apply only to arcane US political speak.

or contend with
trolls or spammers. Sometimes in our exuberance we become excessive, but
it is because of things about which we feel passionately (not to say
that I wouldn't KF Dr. Chung, if he shows up here). Both of you, FarmI
and Emily, are highly respected in this group, and your pronouncements
not lightly taken by myself. I'm sorry, if my continuing rage against
our government, and its murderous policies disturbs you.

Don't you think that in an ng where the topic is gardening, that those of
us who come here to read about gardening might be allowed to have a bit
of freedom from American politics? *Many posters here don't live in the
US so it's OTT at the very least to foist such posting on us.

On the other
hand, we are individuals, each off whom plays our own little parts in
celebrating and furthering gardening. All in all, I think that the good
that we do, outweighs the bad.

Thank you for the criticism, because I know you want to be part of
something better. We all do.

Which is why I garden. *If I want to talk about politics or guns or other
non gardening related issues, I do those in forums where that is the
norm.

I usually just read the subject. *If it says, say, "How to seduce a
sheep", I don't even click into it, because I have an idea what it is
about, I'm no longer interested in the subject, and don't want to read it.
If I click into a message that is titled Onion cultivation, and see that
the thread drift has taken it into a discussion about the big O, I treat
it the same way, or mark the thread, knowing it has been discussed out.

But that's just me. *Some people like to bark about how Usenet should be
in a perfect world. *I just adjust to the one I have.

Steve

I do not live in the U.S. I still read all the O. T. stuff as I find it
interesting,
and it sretches the mind to see how other people live.

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Richard M. Watkin.

Good heavens! A man who wants to LEARN! I love your
wording "...stretches the mind..." Exactly how I feel.
Never stop learning -- whether it's about gardening or
anything else.

If a very occasional digression is so offensive to some,
why not just scroll past it rather than make a huge issue.

P.

Persephone

"Billy" wrote in message
"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote:

Which is why I garden. If I want to talk about politics or guns or other
non gardening related issues, I do those in forums where that is the
norm.
I do apologize. I shouldn't have let myself become provoked, again.

That's OK, we all get provoked now and again and your post did provoke me so
I guess we're even.

But you might now be able to see why I was peeved and why I complained in
the first place. All those subsequent .02c comments that only got that high
because of hyperflation.

So how did your garden get on this year? Any notable successes or
failures? Anything that you'll do different next year?

It was the usual up and down thing. Some things did well, some didn't and
some should have been planted and weren't. I ask myself how it is possible
to 'forget' to plant zucchini? But I guess that not having any zucchini
makes a bit of a change from having to think of a thousand and one way to
use them up. Some insect pests were highly evident and others weren't. I
quite enjoy seeing the insects although I know that is still something that
many people can't abide. I don't nuke them because I find that they can be
very interesting to watch too. ATM we have butterflies everywhere and of
many different sorts but especially the Wanderer which is called the Monarch
in the US. The grasses especially seem to be of interest to the butterflies
and the Wanderer is loving the heads on the paspalum.

Next year, I plan to get on top of the weeds from day one (but then that is
an old resolution and there is always some part of the garden where the
weeds evade me). I plan to finish my fruit cage before the start of next
season. I plant to add another chook house to the chook pen and I really
must do more permanent arrangements for netting of fruit trees as I'm
getting to old and tired for the broom method applying netting to be
attractive.

"Higgs Boson" wrote in message
...
On Apr 25, 12:23 pm, "R M Watkin" wrote:
Hi All,

"Steve B" wrote in message

...



"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote in message
u...
"Billy" wrote in message

I have yet seen a newsgroup that doesn't go Off Topic,

Going 'off topic' as a result of thread drift is one thing but
deliberately posting something that is totally OT is quite another. It
is not even as if any attempt was made to disguise the topic such as
writing about perhaps shooting something in the garden and then weaving
in comments that apply only to arcane US political speak.

or contend with
trolls or spammers. Sometimes in our exuberance we become excessive,
but
it is because of things about which we feel passionately (not to say
that I wouldn't KF Dr. Chung, if he shows up here). Both of you, FarmI
and Emily, are highly respected in this group, and your pronouncements
not lightly taken by myself. I'm sorry, if my continuing rage against
our government, and its murderous policies disturbs you.

Don't you think that in an ng where the topic is gardening, that those
of
us who come here to read about gardening might be allowed to have a bit
of freedom from American politics? Many posters here don't live in the
US so it's OTT at the very least to foist such posting on us.

On the other
hand, we are individuals, each off whom plays our own little parts in
celebrating and furthering gardening. All in all, I think that the
good
that we do, outweighs the bad.

Thank you for the criticism, because I know you want to be part of
something better. We all do.

Which is why I garden. If I want to talk about politics or guns or
other
non gardening related issues, I do those in forums where that is the
norm.

I usually just read the subject. If it says, say, "How to seduce a
sheep", I don't even click into it, because I have an idea what it is
about, I'm no longer interested in the subject, and don't want to read
it.
If I click into a message that is titled Onion cultivation, and see that
the thread drift has taken it into a discussion about the big O, I treat
it the same way, or mark the thread, knowing it has been discussed out.

But that's just me. Some people like to bark about how Usenet should be
in a perfect world. I just adjust to the one I have.

Steve

I do not live in the U.S. I still read all the O. T. stuff as I find it
interesting,
and it sretches the mind to see how other people live.

Richard M. Watkin.

Good heavens! A man who wants to LEARN! I love your
wording "...stretches the mind..." Exactly how I feel.
Never stop learning -- whether it's about gardening or
anything else.

If a very occasional digression is so offensive to some,
why not just scroll past it rather than make a huge issue.

P.

Persephone

reply: Because the drama of the huge issue is more exciting for them than
using logic. I can not imagine what their every day lives must be like.

Steve

In article ,
"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote:

"Billy" wrote in message
"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote:

Which is why I garden. If I want to talk about politics or guns or other
non gardening related issues, I do those in forums where that is the
norm.
I do apologize. I shouldn't have let myself become provoked, again.

That's OK, we all get provoked now and again and your post did provoke me so
I guess we're even.

But you might now be able to see why I was peeved and why I complained in
the first place. All those subsequent .02c comments that only got that high
because of hyperflation.

So how did your garden get on this year? Any notable successes or
failures? Anything that you'll do different next year?

It was the usual up and down thing. Some things did well, some didn't and
some should have been planted and weren't. I ask myself how it is possible
to 'forget' to plant zucchini? But I guess that not having any zucchini
makes a bit of a change from having to think of a thousand and one way to
use them up. Some insect pests were highly evident and others weren't. I
quite enjoy seeing the insects although I know that is still something that
many people can't abide. I don't nuke them because I find that they can be
very interesting to watch too. ATM we have butterflies everywhere and of
many different sorts but especially the Wanderer which is called the Monarch
in the US. The grasses especially seem to be of interest to the butterflies
and the Wanderer is loving the heads on the paspalum.

Next year, I plan to get on top of the weeds from day one (but then that is
an old resolution and there is always some part of the garden where the
weeds evade me). I plan to finish my fruit cage before the start of next
season. I plant to add another chook house to the chook pen and I really
must do more permanent arrangements for netting of fruit trees as I'm
getting to old and tired for the broom method applying netting to be
attractive.

Got my first zuch into the ground today. I had just finished planting
the pepper bed when I found my errant Corno di Toros (6). Now I either
plant fewer japlapeños or wait for the inevitable demise of some of my
other peppers (mostly Quadrato di Asti, which were trendy about 4 years
ago). I've started to lose some plants in small 6 packs that are out
side. They dry out so quickly. Rain coming in Tue. and part of Wed.,
after that we are into the high 80s and, for all intents and purposes,
summer. Still lots of gardening work to do, and I drag my digging board
with me everywhere.

Good evening.
--
- Billy
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arn3lF5XSUg
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zinn/HZinn_page.html

"Billy" wrote in message
"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote:

Got my first zuch into the ground today. I had just finished planting
the pepper bed when I found my errant Corno di Toros (6). Now I either
plant fewer japlapeños or wait for the inevitable demise of some of my
other peppers (mostly Quadrato di Asti, which were trendy about 4 years
ago). I've started to lose some plants in small 6 packs that are out
side. They dry out so quickly. Rain coming in Tue. and part of Wed.,
after that we are into the high 80s and, for all intents and purposes,
summer. Still lots of gardening work to do, and I drag my digging board
with me everywhere.

Give my regards to your zuchs and tell them that I do promise to plant some
of their relatives next year.

Love the names of those peppers but I can't tell you any names of the ones I
planted other than Thai (small and hot) and 2 bigger and longer ones. I've
recently found a good Italian Seed producer though and intend to buy a lot
of seeds from them next year. But first I need to find an old Italian
gardener who can translate for me.

What's a 'digging board'? Anything like an Aborigianl digging stick? :-))

"Steve B" wrote in message
"Higgs Boson" wrote in message

If a very occasional digression is so offensive to some,
why not just scroll past it rather than make a huge issue.

P.

Persephone

reply: Because the drama of the huge issue is more exciting for them than
using logic. I can not imagine what their every day lives must be like.

Steve

Now that is truly funny. The only contributions from you that show on my
screen are two posts which are both on this one subject. Your need to add
some drama to your own life seems to rate far higher than anything you have
to say on the subject of gardening.

"FarmI" wrote:
"Steve B" wrote:
"Higgs Boson" wrote:

If a very occasional digression is so offensive to some,
why not just scroll past it rather than make a huge issue.

reply: Because the drama of the huge issue is more exciting for them than
using logic. I can not imagine what their every day lives must be like.

Now that is truly funny. The only contributions from you that show on my
screen are two posts which are both on this one subject. Your need to add
some drama to your own life seems to rate far higher than anything you have
to say on the subject of gardening.

'Zactly. Ever notice how those who preach learning are themselves the
mental midgets with the lowest IQs. Steve B. is the vacuum who
persistantly pestered folks for info about prepping a garden, erecting
a greenhouse, irrigation, etc. but never grew so much as a single
radish. Steve B. Fraud...

"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote in message
u...
"Steve B" wrote in message
"Higgs Boson" wrote in message

If a very occasional digression is so offensive to some,
why not just scroll past it rather than make a huge issue.

P.

Persephone

reply: Because the drama of the huge issue is more exciting for them
than using logic. I can not imagine what their every day lives must be
like.

Steve

Now that is truly funny. The only contributions from you that show on my
screen are two posts which are both on this one subject. Your need to add
some drama to your own life seems to rate far higher than anything you
have to say on the subject of gardening.

New here, huh? I have posted here for a very long time. But I have been
away, because of illness, winter, hospitalization, making a website and
kicking that off, traveling, and writing a book. You shall see me here
quite a bit now that the weather is good.

Welcome to the group. I hope your future posts are also more informative
than this one.

Steve

On Apr 26, 4:37*am, "FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote:
"Steve B" wrote in message
"Higgs Boson" wrote in message
If a very *occasional digression is so offensive to some,
why not just scroll past it rather than make a huge issue.

P.

Persephone

reply: *Because the drama of the huge issue is more exciting for them than
* using logic. *I can not imagine what their every day lives must be like.

Steve

Now that is truly funny. *The only contributions from you that show on my
screen are two posts which are both on this one subject. *Your need to add
some drama to your own life seems to rate far higher than anything you have
to say on the subject of gardening.

You haven't understood squat about this dialog. Your pettish response
only
shows your own -- let's find a nice word -- uh, your own limitations.
If Steve
hadn't previously needed/wanted to post a gardening question, that's
his business.

He DID post a very perceptive observation on the "thinking" processes
of
such as your good self. And of the soi-disant "tea party" folks.

P.