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On Dec 29, 11:07*pm, Billy wrote:
In article , *"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote: "David Hare-Scott" wrote in message Bill who putters wrote: If the book Collapse is 10 % on target this issue is trivial. *Salt will kill Australia. Fresh water and habitat destruction of all *minor and *potential farming areas. It isn't quite that bad. *People now recognise that it is a problem and they are starting to do something about it. *We actually have a draft plan to rehabilitate the Murray-Darling but it is always possible that short-term populist politics will cause the nation's leaders to go to water (yuk yuk yuk) and vote for a "do nothing" solution. *But we have hopes. *At least it is being addressed at national level although the Chairman of the Authority resigned in protest. *I class him as a mensch so that isn't a good sign. I heard a large chunk of a radio interview of an American scientist who was in Australia to study how we dealt with water. *Unfortunately I didn't hear his name mentioned in the section of interview I heard. *I was quite surprised at how enthusiastic he was about our water plan for the Murray-Darling and our water management in other places round the country. He was so enthusiastic that he was coming back for a much longer study tour, wished that the US was taking such effective action etc, etc, I suspect that like me, you too would think that Australia still isn't doing enough about water management, so I was very surprised to note such enthusiasm from an outside observer. *It made me wonder about the situation in the US. The way he was carrying on about how good Aus was, the US must need attention. *Given how many anti-science comments we see from USians into climate change denial, perhaps I shouldn't be wondering about the US or surprised that any country doing anything would jolly up a water scientist. One thing he said which interested me is that he thought Arizona was going to be in for a very rough ride for water (I cant' recall though if he specifically mentioned Phoenix). Not good as 20 million living in cities are *dependent on run off . *Wonder if top down can fix British *vision. We are working on both top down and bottom up solutions. *Many (almost all the small guys) farmers really do want to protect their land and to leave an asset to their children, they just need some support and to learn how to do it differently. There's sod all support. Most of them who can afford to do anything about it are doing it on their lonesome. One of the strange things happening is the farmers are discovering that the greens might be allies. Actually that's not new. *The head of the NFF quite a few years ago (and who died suddenly at a young age) had made it very clear that environmentalists and farmers were natural allies. *He was working closley with (I think) the ACF and (IIRC) it was on the Snowy River. *of course once the NFF chap dropped dead it was back to business as usual and they got a new head who was a denier and a Luddite. This involves a great deal of re-thinking and discarding of old prejudice but it could happen. *I would love to be a fly * on the wall at some policy framing meetings (why do you want people to be free to smoke weeds?) (you do WHAT with cows!). Please tell me I'm wrong. 1 square yard of soil contains *200 Lb's of salt. You are not wrong but not representing the situation accurately because that's an extreme value *It isn't all like that. *I could irrigate my pasture daily for a century and not have salinization. *Having said that there are large areas that are fairly well stuffed that will take a great deal to rehabilitate. Yup. *But it is quite amazing what can be done to rehabilitate land again in some areas. *Trees really do work and farmers are planting trees in millions across the country. I would be also concerned about (a) climate change bringing great change, particularly cancelling the winter rains in the WA wheat belt (b) mining and subdivision for McMansions chewing up the good coastal land where there is plenty of water and no salt problem (c) overpopulation. "The last is the proverbial pachyderm in the portmanteau. *People cannot understand how a country with such a low population density (overall) can be overpopulated." Yep. It's called "under-think". Who would have ever thought that #9B would be here around 2050 (39 years), and #12B by 2067, so the estimates go. It was only about 70,000 years ago that the human race was reduced to perhaps as few as 15,000 individuals. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_bottleneck Or, maybe you could tell them about jack-rabbits, and Asian Carp (Invasive carp threatens Great Lakes;O) http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-11-30-asian-carp_N.htm -- - Billy "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyE5w..._attacks_1-5-0... p- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Dont follow your logic on "population bottleneck" as your reference says " population bottleneck (or genetic bottleneck) is an evolutionary event in which a significant percentage of a population or species is killed or otherwise prevented from reproducing." but you can throw cattle, sheep, horses and pigs in the category of nonnative species invasion causing environmental damage. |
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