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[OT] c'mon billy grow some historical perspective (was FishFertilizer and saving fish stock
Nad R wrote:
songbird wrote: Billy wrote: Bill who putters wrote: ... What is the "Laughers Curve" ? It's the economic joke that Reagan pulled on the U.S. Sometimes spelled by the less humorous as "Laffers Curve", it is supposed to justify "Trickle Down" economics, a.k.a. "VooDoo economics". The theory was that there was an optimum level that would generate the most revenue. The irony is that America was at its most prosperous between 1947 and 1964 when progressive tax rates went as high as 91% to 70%. c'mon, i expect more brains from you billy. study a small amount of history and note that the USoA from 1945 on was perhaps the only major industrial country that didn't suffer damage to it's manufacturing infrastructure. given the state of the rest of the world we had no place to go but up. you can tax that sort of system heavily and not kill it. taxing a weak growth system (like we have now) with many other issues and it's not going to perform very well. songbird If one does not increase taxes on the wealthy, the greater the disparity of the rich and poor. The rich will continue to squeeze the middle class to get richer. only if the middle class and poor continue to buy their products. What if, Songbird, in the future, that ten percent of the worlds population can provide for one hundred percent of all goods and services for everyone on this planet through automation and mass markets. What kind of economic system would you have? It will not be capitalism! it's not capitalism now (it's a mix of capitalism and socialism). it really hasn't ever been pure capitalism and it won't ever be pure capitalism (because people can voluntarily form socialistic organisations and then distribute their wealth in any way they choose within a capitalistic system -- and they always have). ok, what if? then you have 90% of the population texting and playing social website games and living off solar energy and organic farmed produce picked by robots. i doubt many of them will even notice the shift because much of it has already happened (the change from production being about things to production being about service jobs and jobs that involve entertainment and other forms of intangibles (like art, food and derivatives). The world is producing twice as many cars with half of as many people ten years ago. This trend is coming across all manufacturing/service areas. Without an equal distribution of wealth, this world will have misery the likes of no one has ever seen. i'm thinking it's already got it but not many people actually are acknowledging it. in other words, looking around at the amount of violence, substance abuse, vandalism, environmental destruction, obesity, etc. Population reduction is a must, this can be done with civil planning or be done with mass starvation and disease from the result of poverty. it's supposedly coming about by educating women and getting them into the workforce. i'm not sure that alone it will be enough. i think it likely we'll have some more epidemics of some kind. population density continues to increase as people move to the cities. more people are raising chickens and pigs in close proximity again. these sorts of trends are asking for trouble. on top of the likelyhood of food shortages, riots, wars, water shortages, etc. it's going to be an interesting period of time coming up. songbird |
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