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"David Hare-Scott" wrote:

Ecnerwal wrote:
In article ,
"David Hare-Scott" wrote:
Established strawbs don't do much until the ground warms up after
the last frost. I wouldn't try starting new crowns until then.

Not my experience, and I'm a good deal further north (43°). Both
types I have have had green on them right through the winter, and are
pushing out new leaves now.


When was your last frost?

D

We probably haven't had it yet. Average May 15, and average does mean
later is quite possible. Snow on May 19 in memory (broke a lot of trees
since the leaves were out - lilacs were in bloom.) "Safe for basil" is
more like memorial day.

Historically, frost will not bother the strawberry leaves, but may
bother the blossoms out at the time. Blossoms are starting to show up
now. It's probably been a week or two since the "most recent but not
expected to be the last" frost. Monday morning seems like a good bet for
the next one.

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"Terry Coombs" wrote:

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someday I'll actually get strawberries to grow . This is the 2nd
time I've tried , and I'll admit that WM isn't the best source .
Twice now I've purchased and planted berry starts the sucker roots
they package in bags of 10 with the same results . They apparently
rot in the ground and never come up .
I guess if I really want strawberries I'm going to have to get a
couple of plants and let 'em spread on their own . I'm wondering if
the cold and wet weather we've had is the reason ... both of my
'maters have frost damage , though both seem to be recovering and
putting out new gowth . And the green onions planted the same day
are doing great .

Established strawbs don't do much until the ground warms up after
the last frost. I wouldn't try starting new crowns until then.

D

We've been told numerous time by numerous locals that the last frost
is *never* later than April 15th ... yet it froze/frosted here at
least 3 nights in the last 3 weeks - as the blackened leaves on my
tomatoes can attest and the wife covered them on the
coldest-predicted nights . I noticed today that one guy on the
highway out to our place always has a very nice garden has nothing
green showing yet . It has been unusually cold this spring , been
commented on a lot on rec.birds .

The times they are a changing....

D

It's that damned Global Warming that's causing all this cold weather I
tell ya !!

Ithink it's easier to think of it as being 'climate change'. Here in
the southern hemisphere where I live, we are having unseasonal y warm
weather. By now we've usually had lots of killer frosts and the fires
have been lit and would be a regular feature of life for the next 4
months. So far it's almost balmy.


That comment was meant to be funny/sarcastic/tongue-in-cheek ... I
admit/agree that the climate is changing , I'm just not sure we humans
can take full responsibility for it .

Well I'm not a scientist. Since I'm not, I have to take heed of the
advice given by those scientists who are interested, involved and engaged
in the areas of climate research. Their advice overwhelmingly says that
humans are responsible.


Last I heard some of the most vocal about global warming were caught
falsifying data to support their theories . IMO that ain't science . As I
said , humans play a part , but you have to realize that this big 'ol ball
of dirt we live on is itself a living organism . We are a small but
influential part of that overall organism ... kinda like that e. coli in
your gut .

Nope, the biosphere, where there is life, is a very small part of the
planet. Most of the planet is as dead as a door nail. You must be
remembering those old Captain Marvel comic books where the planet was
alive, and conscious.

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Welcome to the New America.
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In article ,
"David Hare-Scott" wrote:

When was your last frost?

D

We probably haven't had it yet. Average May 15, and average does mean
later is quite possible. Snow on May 19 in memory (broke a lot of trees
since the leaves were out - lilacs were in bloom.) "Safe for basil" is
more like memorial day.

This is an international ng, so what is the date of that?

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In article ,
"David Hare-Scott" wrote:

When was your last frost?

D

We probably haven't had it yet. Average May 15, and average does mean
later is quite possible. Snow on May 19 in memory (broke a lot of trees
since the leaves were out - lilacs were in bloom.) "Safe for basil" is
more like memorial day.

This is an international ng, so what is the date of that?



Memorial Day in the US is usually the last monday in May . This year it's
the 27th .
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someday I'll actually get strawberries to grow . This is the 2nd
time I've tried , and I'll admit that WM isn't the best source .
Twice now I've purchased and planted berry starts the sucker
roots
they package in bags of 10 with the same results . They
apparently
rot in the ground and never come up .
I guess if I really want strawberries I'm going to have to get a
couple of plants and let 'em spread on their own . I'm wondering
if
the cold and wet weather we've had is the reason ... both of my
'maters have frost damage , though both seem to be recovering and
putting out new gowth . And the green onions planted the same day
are doing great .

Established strawbs don't do much until the ground warms up after
the last frost. I wouldn't try starting new crowns until then.

D

We've been told numerous time by numerous locals that the last
frost
is *never* later than April 15th ... yet it froze/frosted here at
least 3 nights in the last 3 weeks - as the blackened leaves on my
tomatoes can attest and the wife covered them on the
coldest-predicted nights . I noticed today that one guy on the
highway out to our place always has a very nice garden has nothing
green showing yet . It has been unusually cold this spring , been
commented on a lot on rec.birds .

The times they are a changing....

D

It's that damned Global Warming that's causing all this cold weather
I tell ya !!

Ithink it's easier to think of it as being 'climate change'. Here in
the southern hemisphere where I live, we are having unseasonal y warm
weather. By now we've usually had lots of killer frosts and the fires
have been lit and would be a regular feature of life for the next 4
months. So far it's almost balmy.


That comment was meant to be funny/sarcastic/tongue-in-cheek ... I
admit/agree that the climate is changing , I'm just not sure we humans
can take full responsibility for it .

Well I'm not a scientist. Since I'm not, I have to take heed of the
advice given by those scientists who are interested, involved and engaged
in the areas of climate research. Their advice overwhelmingly says that
humans are responsible.


Last I heard some of the most vocal about global warming were caught
falsifying data to support their theories . IMO that ain't science .

They weren't 'caught' doing any such thing. What was put around the net on
dubious climate sceptic's sites was 'claims' that data had been falsified.
You can read all about it he
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climati...il_controversy

As I
said , humans play a part , but you have to realize that this big 'ol ball
of dirt we live on is itself a living organism . We are a small but
influential part of that overall organism ... kinda like that e. coli in
your gut .

The scientific evidence says overwhelmingly that human activity is
contributing to climate change. It's that simple.

I also notice that just today that is yet again supported by the latest
evidence out of Hawaii.

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Terry Coombs wrote:
someday I'll actually get strawberries to grow . This is the 2nd
time I've tried , and I'll admit that WM isn't the best source .
Twice now I've purchased and planted berry starts the sucker
roots
they package in bags of 10 with the same results . They
apparently
rot in the ground and never come up .
I guess if I really want strawberries I'm going to have to get a
couple of plants and let 'em spread on their own . I'm wondering
if
the cold and wet weather we've had is the reason ... both of my
'maters have frost damage , though both seem to be recovering and
putting out new gowth . And the green onions planted the same day
are doing great .

Established strawbs don't do much until the ground warms up after
the last frost. I wouldn't try starting new crowns until then.

D

We've been told numerous time by numerous locals that the last
frost
is *never* later than April 15th ... yet it froze/frosted here at
least 3 nights in the last 3 weeks - as the blackened leaves on my
tomatoes can attest and the wife covered them on the
coldest-predicted nights . I noticed today that one guy on the
highway out to our place always has a very nice garden has nothing
green showing yet . It has been unusually cold this spring , been
commented on a lot on rec.birds .

The times they are a changing....

D

It's that damned Global Warming that's causing all this cold weather
I tell ya !!

Ithink it's easier to think of it as being 'climate change'. Here in
the southern hemisphere where I live, we are having unseasonal y warm
weather. By now we've usually had lots of killer frosts and the fires
have been lit and would be a regular feature of life for the next 4
months. So far it's almost balmy.


That comment was meant to be funny/sarcastic/tongue-in-cheek ... I
admit/agree that the climate is changing , I'm just not sure we humans
can take full responsibility for it .

Well I'm not a scientist. Since I'm not, I have to take heed of the
advice given by those scientists who are interested, involved and engaged
in the areas of climate research. Their advice overwhelmingly says that
humans are responsible.


Last I heard some of the most vocal about global warming were caught
falsifying data to support their theories . IMO that ain't science .

They weren't 'caught' doing any such thing. What was put around the net on
dubious climate sceptic's sites was 'claims' that data had been falsified.
You can read all about it he
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climati...il_controversy

As I
said , humans play a part , but you have to realize that this big 'ol ball
of dirt we live on is itself a living organism . We are a small but
influential part of that overall organism ... kinda like that e. coli in
your gut .

The scientific evidence says overwhelmingly that human activity is
contributing to climate change. It's that simple.

I also notice that just today that is yet again supported by the latest
evidence out of Hawaii.

Ay yup.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...510-earth-co2-
milestone-400-ppm/
An instrument near the summit of Mauna Loa in Hawaii has recorded a
long-awaited climate milestone: the amount of carbon dioxide in the
atmosphere there has exceeded 400 parts per million (ppm) for the first
time in 55 years of measurementand probably more than 3 million years of
Earth history.


We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.
- Native American Proverb

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http://www.rachelcorrie.org/

Welcome to the New America.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hA736oK9FPg

Billy wrote:
Farm1 wrote:
....
The scientific evidence says overwhelmingly that human activity is
contributing to climate change. It's that simple.

I also notice that just today that is yet again supported by the latest
evidence out of Hawaii.

Ay yup.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/energy/2013/05/130510-earth-co2-milestone-400-ppm/
An instrument near the summit of Mauna Loa in Hawaii has recorded a
long-awaited climate milestone: the amount of carbon dioxide in the
atmosphere there has exceeded 400 parts per million (ppm) for the first
time in 55 years of measurementand probably more than 3 million years of
Earth history.

it's not that the trend is going up that is
bad, but the trend looks to be going faster.

if that is because the ocean can no longer
soak up as much CO2 or for other reasons i'm
not sure.


We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.
- Native American Proverb

if one person in ten planted one hundred trees
and they actually survived...


songbird

In article ,
songbird wrote:

Billy wrote:
Farm1 wrote:
...
The scientific evidence says overwhelmingly that human activity is
contributing to climate change. It's that simple.

I also notice that just today that is yet again supported by the latest
evidence out of Hawaii.

Ay yup.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...earth-co2-mile
stone-400-ppm/
An instrument near the summit of Mauna Loa in Hawaii has recorded a
long-awaited climate milestone: the amount of carbon dioxide in the
atmosphere there has exceeded 400 parts per million (ppm) for the first
time in 55 years of measurementand probably more than 3 million years of
Earth history.

it's not that the trend is going up that is
bad, but the trend looks to be going faster.

if that is because the ocean can no longer
soak up as much CO2 or for other reasons i'm
not sure.


We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.
- Native American Proverb

if one person in ten planted one hundred trees
and they actually survived...


songbird

In part it is that CO2 is the driver, but that water vapor, and methane
are playing a rapidly increasingly role in Climate Change/Global
Warming. It's not just one genie that needs to be put back into the
bottle. Even if we did control CO2, water vapor, and methane will
continue Climate Change/Global Warming. We are acting like the frog in
the heating pot of water.

--
Remember Rachel Corrie
http://www.rachelcorrie.org/

Welcome to the New America.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hA736oK9FPg