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garden police gone wild?
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paghat wrote: In Montgomery Village Foundation v. Ellis, a Home Association (not a Homeowners Association however) sought to enforce in the courts a regulation banning private trucks. Montgomery Village Foundation is an enforcing agency serving a number of Homeowner & Home Associations & Condo Associations, & do not do this unless members of the neighborhood involved insist. But once committed, they didn't care if the regulation was nonsensical. The covenants did permit vans, Winebagos, huge honking-ass utility vehicles -- but all Ellis had was a small pick-up truck. The court found that the regulation was stupid & unenforceable since giant RVs were permitted, & Ellis's tiny pick-up was a new & well-kept & on no rational basis of any harm to anyone. The courts' decision, however, didn't mean incorporated housing areas couldn't ban EVERYthing bigger than a Lovebug &make EVERYone get rid of their vehicles, but only going after Ellis's little pick-up was not going to be allowed. No kidding. So they were just faking it when they sent me that nasty letter? Sons of bitches. I never went to another party there. billo |
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garden police gone wild?
I find there is a big difference between zoning laws for health and security and some
city politicians deciding they are going to force their idea of esthetics down the throat of the whole damn city. So they decide what colors are acceptable in house paint, what flowers are acceptable, what material and color of fence is acceptable, etc. etc. Ingrid "Vox Humana" wrote: I'm still not clear if you think that all zoning regulations should be abolished? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. |
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wrote in message ... I find there is a big difference between zoning laws for health and security and some city politicians deciding they are going to force their idea of esthetics down the throat of the whole damn city. So they decide what colors are acceptable in house paint, what flowers are acceptable, what material and color of fence is acceptable, etc. etc. Ingrid As someone said, I guess we will have to agree to disagree on this. |
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On Thu, 12 Jun 2003 13:42:02 GMT, "Vox Humana" wrote:
wrote in message ... I find there is a big difference between zoning laws for health and security and some city politicians deciding they are going to force their idea of esthetics down the throat of the whole damn city. So they decide what colors are acceptable in house paint, what flowers are acceptable, what material and color of fence is acceptable, etc. etc. Ingrid As someone said, I guess we will have to agree to disagree on this. Actually, to add my final addition to this discussion, I agree with what Ingrid is saying. The part I disagree with is where people move into a community where they are fully aware there is an architectural board of directors who have put in place certain deed restrictions and which are upheld in civil court, yet, people move in and bitch about it later. That, is not ever going to change. I say, move out to the country or to a larger parcel of land where there are no restrictions and paint your house mood ring blue for all I give a shit. The case with Ingrids mother is simply disgusting. She's been there for many decades and to force her into anything, regardless what it is, is simply awful. |
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garden police gone wild?
Cereoid-UR12yo wrote:
The real problem is neighbors not being good neighbors. If one was willing to help out a fellow neighbor by volunteering to mow their lawn while they have their own mowers out, the neighborhood would be a more peaceful and harmonious place. Amen! I have a single female living next to me whose job takes her out of town a lot ... so much so that her back lawn (fertilized with pit bull poop) had gone well past 18" and her front yard was well over 12". When I finally got a chance to talk to her I pointed out that her yard looked like the house was abandoned and that I would be willing to mow the lawn in exchange for the clippings in order to keep from living next to a house that looked abandoned. She looked distressed for a moment, mentioned that she had hired some men to mow the lawn who hadn't yet showed up, and then realized that I was offering her a way out of her lawn problem. She then objected that the dog would be a problem. At that, I called her dog away from her side to mine. The dog sat down against the fence and waited for her ear-scratch. I've been feeding that hound treats since it was a puppy. There aint no way I'm going to have a hostile pit bull just a short chain link fence away. I slap-box that dog and she has never done anything more than take my hand in her mouth nor will she ... she has no one else to play with. Ditto for the German Shepherd on the other side of my yard. Unfortunately, its owner realized what I was doing and has kept the dog inside for the past several months so now the dog and I are not on as good of terms as previously. Again ... that's too big of a dog to have just a short fence away. Poops D-cell batteries, too and the owner, a cop, does a lousy job of keeping the manure up. Bill -- Zone 5b (Detroit, MI) I do not post my address to news groups. |
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paghat wrote:
Oh loady loady, it's even worse than I've been saying. Here's a bad one for sure, & alas it applies FEDERALLY: In Meyer vs Holy, the Supreme Court made a unanimous & unfortunate clarification regarding HOA discrimination against minorities. The Supreme Court found that damages cannot be recovered from any officer or owner within a HOA whose agents or volunteers are in conflict with the Fair Housing Act refusing as a matter of policy to sell to Jews, blacks, or other minorities. The Supreme Court decision overturned a federal appeals court ruling that applied the full letter of the Fair Housing Act even to HOAs. Civil Rights inroads again reversed by conservatives! -paghat the ratgirl Yeah ... and they also discriminate against people making less than $11,000! Give it a break ... you are as much in need of a life as the HOA Nazis. A couple of thoughts: you want to compel people to live with other people whom they are not comfortable being around. I live, by choice, in a mixed-race neighborhood. Some from India / Pakistan, many blacks, a smattering of whites. No Orientals that I can tell ... but that reflects both a paucity of Orientals in Detroit and their desire to live in upscale communities ... including the gated ones. I am, in fact, a caucasian man married to a black woman in a very solid marriage. However, I have a deep scar in the back of my left leg where a group of younger black co-workers tried to cripple me ... and nearly succeeded. HR where I work was totally un-helpful (afraid to accuse a black person of hateful acts) when, after healing from the first injury I was returned TO THE SAME WORKGROUP and the process of setting me up for the injury was begun again. I had to quit a good job to keep from being crippled. I got my wake up call when the guy doing the stitching on my leg the first time told me that, had the missing muscle been gouged out a quarter of an inch deeper or a half an inch lower, I would have forever lost the use of that foot. Forever? Because my skin is too pale? I woke up this color just the same as blacks wake up one morning and realize that their skin is dark. Racism cuts both ways. Get used to it. Some people just don't like other people for a variety of reasons and excuses including NO reason, NO excuse. That doesn't make it right ... but you'd best get adjusted to it. I give such people, black or white, wide berth. There is nothing I need from them, nothing I wish them to have from me. With one exception, I do not socialize with the blacks at work because they live their lives very differently from the way I live mine or else because they choose not to spend their social time with ME. They have their lives, I have mine. Mine includes gardening and a deeply spiritual life. Theirs do not. That I know of, two have gardens; two others take spiritual matters seriously. One is studying the Bible with me and joins me in religious services. Then again, there are NO whites from work that I socialize with. Get off your soapbox. You have a right to live with whomever is agreeable to living with you and the right to exclude those with whom you are uncomfortable. However, you do not have the freedom to excercise your rights without also granting the exact same rights to others. Moreover, you do not have the right to impose your decisions about who / what is acceptable on others. Those who chose to live in HOA developments are no more to be ridiculed than those who chose to live as you do. Live your life (pretty much) as you please. Allow others to do the same. Bill -- Zone 5b (Detroit, MI) I do not post my address to news groups. |
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paghat wrote:
Turudic v. Susan Estates Homeowners Association in Oregon, the HOA tried to define what was an appropriate pet, banning certain breeds of dogs for instance. So one of their members had two tame cougars. Well ha ha, the court said HOAs cannot pass rules against pets. (The State could, but hasn't.) I recommend everyone annoyed with their dumbass totalitarian HOA get themselves a really big wild animal for a pet! That'll fix those racist wouldbe stormtrooping arseholes. I fail to see the connection between an animal regulation and racism. Nor do I see the connection between an animal regulation and a Storm Trooper or, for that matter, between an animal regulation and a body part. You are as close-minded as the people you castigate. The next time you want to "fix" an "arsehole", stop by the mirror for a minute. -- Zone 5b (Detroit, MI) I do not post my address to news groups. |
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The case with Ingrids mother is simply disgusting. She's been there for many decades and to force her into anything, regardless what it is, is simply awful. I can't see how anyone can force you to change something that was legal when you did it. If 20 years ago you painted your house red, and it was legal then, no one can come along and say it is now illegal to have red paint. You have a "grandfather right" with respect to paint color.(constitutional prohibition of ex post facto laws?) |
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garden police gone wild?
On Tue, 30 Mar 2004 05:33:53 -0700 in
, "Darwin Vander Stelt" graced the world with this thought: The case with Ingrids mother is simply disgusting. She's been there for many decades and to force her into anything, regardless what it is, is simply awful. I can't see how anyone can force you to change something that was legal when you did it. If 20 years ago you painted your house red, and it was legal then, no one can come along and say it is now illegal to have red paint. You have a "grandfather right" with respect to paint color.(constitutional prohibition of ex post facto laws?) .....but you won't be able to repaint it red... |
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garden police gone wild?
On Tue, 30 Mar 2004 12:52:59 GMT, belly wrote:
On Tue, 30 Mar 2004 05:33:53 -0700 in , "Darwin Vander Stelt" graced the world with this thought: The case with Ingrids mother is simply disgusting. She's been there for many decades and to force her into anything, regardless what it is, is simply awful. I can't see how anyone can force you to change something that was legal when you did it. If 20 years ago you painted your house red, and it was legal then, no one can come along and say it is now illegal to have red paint. You have a "grandfather right" with respect to paint color.(constitutional prohibition of ex post facto laws?) ....but you won't be able to repaint it red... And they can then get you with one of those "run-down" laws. :/ |
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On Tue, 30 Mar 2004 12:52:59 GMT, belly wrote:
On Tue, 30 Mar 2004 05:33:53 -0700 in , "Darwin Vander Stelt" graced the world with this thought: The case with Ingrids mother is simply disgusting. She's been there for many decades and to force her into anything, regardless what it is, is simply awful. I can't see how anyone can force you to change something that was legal when you did it. If 20 years ago you painted your house red, and it was legal then, no one can come along and say it is now illegal to have red paint. You have a "grandfather right" with respect to paint color.(constitutional prohibition of ex post facto laws?) ....but you won't be able to repaint it red... And they can then get you with one of those "run-down" laws. :/ |
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....but you won't be able to repaint it red...
And they can then get you with one of those "run-down" laws. :/ "they" are ordinarily volunteer committees of your neighbors. Land use ordinances almost always benefit some and anger others, but the key to having the neighborhood you want is to participate. The squeaky wheels get to decide what the neighborhood looks like. You get the impression from reading some posts that some political gestapo imposes these ordinances from the top, and we little people are getting screwed. The truth is that land use planning and zoning is typically a very transparent process with lots of hearings etc. and only a few people care enough or have the time or ambition to participate. And all citizens must realize that the system is not necessarily corrupt just because their position does not prevail. The climate of "my adgenda at any price" including a willingness to lie to advance the adgenda pervades our civic life and it may eventually ruin us. |
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garden police gone wild?
....but you won't be able to repaint it red...
And they can then get you with one of those "run-down" laws. :/ "they" are ordinarily volunteer committees of your neighbors. Land use ordinances almost always benefit some and anger others, but the key to having the neighborhood you want is to participate. The squeaky wheels get to decide what the neighborhood looks like. You get the impression from reading some posts that some political gestapo imposes these ordinances from the top, and we little people are getting screwed. The truth is that land use planning and zoning is typically a very transparent process with lots of hearings etc. and only a few people care enough or have the time or ambition to participate. And all citizens must realize that the system is not necessarily corrupt just because their position does not prevail. The climate of "my adgenda at any price" including a willingness to lie to advance the adgenda pervades our civic life and it may eventually ruin us. |
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On Fri, 2 Apr 2004 08:47:39 -0700, "Darwin Vander Stelt"
wrote: ....but you won't be able to repaint it red... And they can then get you with one of those "run-down" laws. :/ "they" are ordinarily volunteer committees of your neighbors. Land use ordinances almost always benefit some and anger others, but the key to having the neighborhood you want is to participate. The squeaky wheels get to decide what the neighborhood looks like. You get the impression from reading some posts that some political gestapo imposes these ordinances from the top, and we little people are getting screwed. The truth is that land use planning and zoning is typically a very transparent process with lots of hearings etc. and only a few people care enough or have the time or ambition to participate. And all citizens must realize that the system is not necessarily corrupt just because their position does not prevail. The climate of "my adgenda at any price" including a willingness to lie to advance the adgenda pervades our civic life and it may eventually ruin us. Applause, applause. I have been working with (doing a web site for) a local neighborhood association. The membership is heavily weighted with participation by Los Ricos with waterfront property, and they *do* get their agenda acted upon. However,...a quarterly newsletter is distributed to 1,600 households just in advance of general meetings. At the last meeting, the attendance was 32 people, and about 150 families are voting members ($10/yr membership fee). The rest sit home and complain about changes the association has promoted or brought about. The quarterly general meetings and monthly board meetings are open to participation by anyone. Los Ricos definitely have their own interests in mind, but they *are* the ones who come to the meetings, volunteer to be on the board, do the paperwork for grants and activities, and hide the eggs and dress up in the bunny costume for the Easter Egg Hunt in the park. I did my share of complaining before I got involved. But Darwin is right. It does absolutely no good to take a 'victim' position when there are opportunities to change things through participation. |
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....but you won't be able to repaint it red...
And they can then get you with one of those "run-down" laws. :/ "they" are ordinarily volunteer committees of your neighbors. Land use ordinances almost always benefit some and anger others, but the key to having the neighborhood you want is to participate. The squeaky wheels get to decide what the neighborhood looks like. You get the impression from reading some posts that some political gestapo imposes these ordinances from the top, and we little people are getting screwed. The truth is that land use planning and zoning is typically a very transparent process with lots of hearings etc. and only a few people care enough or have the time or ambition to participate. And all citizens must realize that the system is not necessarily corrupt just because their position does not prevail. The climate of "my adgenda at any price" including a willingness to lie to advance the adgenda pervades our civic life and it may eventually ruin us. |
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