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garden police gone wild?
On Sat, 03 Apr 2004 23:14:49 GMT, "FDR"
wrote: "Frogleg" wrote a quarterly newsletter is distributed to 1,600 households just in advance of general meetings. At the last meeting, the attendance was 32 people It does absolutely no good to take a 'victim' position when there are opportunities to change things through participation. So basically you are saying you do all these things to get your voice heard. Why is it set-up that way anyway? No wonder people don't feel like voting. Maybe they have lives and don't feel like having to join a fraternity and getting initiated. "All these things?!" How difficult is it to come to a 90-minute meeting every 3 months? Or even once a year, when elections are held? The purpose of the association is "to provide a means of friendly association for the citizens of this organization, to preserve and improve our neighborhood, and to communicate and work with surrounding neighborhoods for the betterment of the area." If they expend so much energy in complaining, why not spare a little to complain among a group that may be able to change things? "To get your voice heard,"all you have to do is SHOW UP and open your mouth. If, by "all these things" you mean the Easter Egg Hunt and the bunny costume, this *isn't* an initiation to a fraternity. It's an Easter Egg Hunt for kids where one kind person dresses up in the suit so kids can have their pictures taken on its lap. Neither attendance nor costume is required. All activities and participation is voluntary. And the ones that volunteer -- go to meetings, take an interest, bring up a topic -- set the agenda. If people "have lives" (and believe me, the board members are all very busy people and all but one retiree with full-time jobs) and don't "feel like" voting, then they have little cause to complain they're being victimized by the decisions of others. |
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On Sat, 03 Apr 2004 16:57:41 GMT, figaro wrote:
I guess I just never understood why you should have to "come to the meetings,volunteer to be on the board, do the paperwork for grants and activities, and hide the eggs and dress up in the bunny costume for the Easter Egg Hunt in the park," just to live in peace on your own property without someone else telling you how they think you should live. I was enumerating the many and varied things that the 'core' people do, not a list of requirements. If you wish to "live and let live," you're surely free to do so. Perhaps others around you have contrary ideas as to "how they think you should live." If you don't participate in the process, you have no right to complain when the process runs you over. It is my view that this particular neighborhood association was formed at least in part to promote the interests of a specific, small, 'elitist' group. However, as I mentioned, 1,600 households are eligible to take part. If they choose not to, they can scarcely complain about speed bumps and yard sales. City Council meetings are similarly ill-attended unless a particularly controversial issue is being discussed. You can't depend on others to safeguard your particular interests in the way you prefer. |
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On Fri, 2 Apr 2004 08:47:39 -0700, "Darwin Vander Stelt"
wrote: ....but you won't be able to repaint it red... And they can then get you with one of those "run-down" laws. :/ "they" are ordinarily volunteer committees of your neighbors. Land use ordinances almost always benefit some and anger others, but the key to having the neighborhood you want is to participate. The squeaky wheels get to decide what the neighborhood looks like. You get the impression from reading some posts that some political gestapo imposes these ordinances from the top, and we little people are getting screwed. The truth is that land use planning and zoning is typically a very transparent process with lots of hearings etc. and only a few people care enough or have the time or ambition to participate. And all citizens must realize that the system is not necessarily corrupt just because their position does not prevail. The climate of "my adgenda at any price" including a willingness to lie to advance the adgenda pervades our civic life and it may eventually ruin us. There are many levels of garden and whatever they want to police folks. There are county and city regulations that most folks are totally unaware of, until some neighbor decides to complain about something. Here, Boise, Idaho, there are rules that state that no plants can be planted where they act as screen anywhere other than at the perimeter of the property, like a fence. And then only in the same manner as a fence, otherwise. no taller than 3' if there aren't spaces between the plants. 4' if there are spaces where people can see through. Everywhere else, no higher than 1' above grade. We also can't plant things within the easement that is the highway district's. My area is easy to determine since there is a sidewalk, There is a 5' area past the fence into my yard where we cannot plant trees, or build anything permanent in that area, or put anything that would be difficult to remove. So that covers the planting of stuff.. you can plant individual plants that do not form barriers .. so you can plant one tree that can grow more than 1' above grade, but you can't plant several in a row as that would constitute a screen. Then there are the annoying little rules that are usually not actively enforced in general areas, things like you can't have a trash can out over 24 hours before or after pickup date. You're not supposed to have your hose out if it's not in use, at all. Not supposed to have any yard care items or trash cans where they can be seen in the front or back yard. You're supposed to tote all of them back and put them in a shed. You don't have a shed? Get one, but make sure it conforms to the rules too. Now, those are general city codes.. and there are more. However what a lot of people seem to fail to find out or really understand at times is that many subdivisions have their OWN covenants which can be and usually ARE much stricter. They go so far as to tell you that you can ONLY plant certain plants, and some of them want no variation. They want all front yards to have the SAME plants and no others in them, and if something should die, they'd want you to replace it with a plant the same size as those in the yards around you. If you plant something else, you'd be told to remove it, if you didn't then someone else would remove it and you would be billed. You have to have ONLY the prescribed mail boxes, yard decorations, plants, paint/rock colors etc. Any variations and you will be chastised, told to fix it, if yo don't it will be fixed and you will pay and if you don't then you will be fined, or taken to court. You have to sign papers to this effect to get in. If you forget what you signed they'll remind you. It's a cookie cutter sub division and that conformity makes some people happy, and secure an no one should buy into such a community if they aren't of that mentality. Some people just don't read it or don't take it seriously! I really don't much like cookie cutter yards, and I annoy my neighbor to the east because he's anal retentive and my yard makes his butt pucker. ;-D I hope he loses sleep over it he's suck a jerk..not merely *my* observation! So, there are real "garden police" and there are those who merely self-appoint! ;-) Janice |
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"Frogleg" wrote in message ... On Sat, 03 Apr 2004 23:14:49 GMT, "FDR" wrote: "Frogleg" wrote a quarterly newsletter is distributed to 1,600 households just in advance of general meetings. At the last meeting, the attendance was 32 people It does absolutely no good to take a 'victim' position when there are opportunities to change things through participation. So basically you are saying you do all these things to get your voice heard. Why is it set-up that way anyway? No wonder people don't feel like voting. Maybe they have lives and don't feel like having to join a fraternity and getting initiated. "All these things?!" How difficult is it to come to a 90-minute meeting every 3 months? Gee, maybe people have other things to do like spend time with their kids after being at work 10 hours a day. Or even once a year, when elections are held? The purpose of the association is "to provide a means of friendly association for the citizens of this organization, to preserve and improve our neighborhood, and to communicate and work with surrounding neighborhoods for the betterment of the area." If they expend so much energy in complaining, why not spare a little to complain among a group that may be able to change things? Tell me something, if there was no group would the neighboorhood fall into such disarray? Seems liek there are many areas, like the one I live in, that work and look just fine without people having to have committees to decide things. "To get your voice heard,"all you have to do is SHOW UP and open your mouth. If, by "all these things" you mean the Easter Egg Hunt and the bunny costume, this *isn't* an initiation to a fraternity. It's an Easter Egg Hunt for kids where one kind person dresses up in the suit so kids can have their pictures taken on its lap. Neither attendance nor costume is required. All activities and participation is voluntary. And the ones that volunteer -- go to meetings, take an interest, bring up a topic -- set the agenda. So those who don't "volunteer" get penalized. Thats quite a scam you guys got going there. Not only do people have to pay taxes and a mortgage and work 40+ hours a week and raise a family, but they have to dress in a bunny suit. Wow, what a country! If people "have lives" (and believe me, the board members are all very busy people and all but one retiree with full-time jobs) I bet these are the kind of people that enjoy power and control. Geez, aren't you people happy enough that there's one government? Why do you have to add another layer of beauracracy onto it? |
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On Sat, 03 Apr 2004 23:14:49 GMT, "FDR"
wrote: "Frogleg" wrote a quarterly newsletter is distributed to 1,600 households just in advance of general meetings. At the last meeting, the attendance was 32 people It does absolutely no good to take a 'victim' position when there are opportunities to change things through participation. So basically you are saying you do all these things to get your voice heard. Why is it set-up that way anyway? No wonder people don't feel like voting. Maybe they have lives and don't feel like having to join a fraternity and getting initiated. "All these things?!" How difficult is it to come to a 90-minute meeting every 3 months? Or even once a year, when elections are held? The purpose of the association is "to provide a means of friendly association for the citizens of this organization, to preserve and improve our neighborhood, and to communicate and work with surrounding neighborhoods for the betterment of the area." If they expend so much energy in complaining, why not spare a little to complain among a group that may be able to change things? "To get your voice heard,"all you have to do is SHOW UP and open your mouth. If, by "all these things" you mean the Easter Egg Hunt and the bunny costume, this *isn't* an initiation to a fraternity. It's an Easter Egg Hunt for kids where one kind person dresses up in the suit so kids can have their pictures taken on its lap. Neither attendance nor costume is required. All activities and participation is voluntary. And the ones that volunteer -- go to meetings, take an interest, bring up a topic -- set the agenda. If people "have lives" (and believe me, the board members are all very busy people and all but one retiree with full-time jobs) and don't "feel like" voting, then they have little cause to complain they're being victimized by the decisions of others. |
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On Sat, 03 Apr 2004 16:57:41 GMT, figaro wrote:
I guess I just never understood why you should have to "come to the meetings,volunteer to be on the board, do the paperwork for grants and activities, and hide the eggs and dress up in the bunny costume for the Easter Egg Hunt in the park," just to live in peace on your own property without someone else telling you how they think you should live. I was enumerating the many and varied things that the 'core' people do, not a list of requirements. If you wish to "live and let live," you're surely free to do so. Perhaps others around you have contrary ideas as to "how they think you should live." If you don't participate in the process, you have no right to complain when the process runs you over. It is my view that this particular neighborhood association was formed at least in part to promote the interests of a specific, small, 'elitist' group. However, as I mentioned, 1,600 households are eligible to take part. If they choose not to, they can scarcely complain about speed bumps and yard sales. City Council meetings are similarly ill-attended unless a particularly controversial issue is being discussed. You can't depend on others to safeguard your particular interests in the way you prefer. |
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"Frogleg" wrote in message ... On Sat, 03 Apr 2004 23:14:49 GMT, "FDR" wrote: "Frogleg" wrote a quarterly newsletter is distributed to 1,600 households just in advance of general meetings. At the last meeting, the attendance was 32 people It does absolutely no good to take a 'victim' position when there are opportunities to change things through participation. So basically you are saying you do all these things to get your voice heard. Why is it set-up that way anyway? No wonder people don't feel like voting. Maybe they have lives and don't feel like having to join a fraternity and getting initiated. "All these things?!" How difficult is it to come to a 90-minute meeting every 3 months? Gee, maybe people have other things to do like spend time with their kids after being at work 10 hours a day. Or even once a year, when elections are held? The purpose of the association is "to provide a means of friendly association for the citizens of this organization, to preserve and improve our neighborhood, and to communicate and work with surrounding neighborhoods for the betterment of the area." If they expend so much energy in complaining, why not spare a little to complain among a group that may be able to change things? Tell me something, if there was no group would the neighboorhood fall into such disarray? Seems liek there are many areas, like the one I live in, that work and look just fine without people having to have committees to decide things. "To get your voice heard,"all you have to do is SHOW UP and open your mouth. If, by "all these things" you mean the Easter Egg Hunt and the bunny costume, this *isn't* an initiation to a fraternity. It's an Easter Egg Hunt for kids where one kind person dresses up in the suit so kids can have their pictures taken on its lap. Neither attendance nor costume is required. All activities and participation is voluntary. And the ones that volunteer -- go to meetings, take an interest, bring up a topic -- set the agenda. So those who don't "volunteer" get penalized. Thats quite a scam you guys got going there. Not only do people have to pay taxes and a mortgage and work 40+ hours a week and raise a family, but they have to dress in a bunny suit. Wow, what a country! If people "have lives" (and believe me, the board members are all very busy people and all but one retiree with full-time jobs) I bet these are the kind of people that enjoy power and control. Geez, aren't you people happy enough that there's one government? Why do you have to add another layer of beauracracy onto it? |
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"Glenna Rose" wrote in message news:fc.003d094101c108663b9aca0097fc95f2.1c10972@p mug.org... writes: No one says you have to volunteer. But keep your mouth shut if you don't speak up when the decisions are being made. If you don't pay attention, you just might wake up one day and find the things you have been doing as part of your daily life are now not legal. You like to garden in your own yard? Then you better pay attention. Do you read what you are writing and see how absurd that is? On the line of gardening, many people on this group put bones and meat into compost piles and use humanure . . . that is absolutely illegal in our community. We have very strict laws regarding that. Four of the proposed ordinances would have severely limited gardening. Fortunately, there were some of us who listened to what was going on and spoke up, pointing out the practical aspects of daily life and how the wording could adversely affect those with vegetable gardens. Even now, with the changes, some aspects of my garden could be considered in violation if the absolute letter of the ordinance were enforced but are things most of us do and think nothing about it. I bet these are the kind of people that enjoy power and control. It's clear you have not been involved in a neighborhood association. Most of them are begging for people to be involved and truly want to know what everyone wants. It does not carry prestige or glory! We are lucky, however, to have people say thank you. I bet they are begging because some "group" wields so much unwarranted power. |
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"Glenna Rose" wrote in message news:fc.003d094101c108663b9aca0097fc95f2.1c10972@p mug.org... writes: No one says you have to volunteer. But keep your mouth shut if you don't speak up when the decisions are being made. If you don't pay attention, you just might wake up one day and find the things you have been doing as part of your daily life are now not legal. You like to garden in your own yard? Then you better pay attention. Do you read what you are writing and see how absurd that is? On the line of gardening, many people on this group put bones and meat into compost piles and use humanure . . . that is absolutely illegal in our community. We have very strict laws regarding that. Four of the proposed ordinances would have severely limited gardening. Fortunately, there were some of us who listened to what was going on and spoke up, pointing out the practical aspects of daily life and how the wording could adversely affect those with vegetable gardens. Even now, with the changes, some aspects of my garden could be considered in violation if the absolute letter of the ordinance were enforced but are things most of us do and think nothing about it. I bet these are the kind of people that enjoy power and control. It's clear you have not been involved in a neighborhood association. Most of them are begging for people to be involved and truly want to know what everyone wants. It does not carry prestige or glory! We are lucky, however, to have people say thank you. I bet they are begging because some "group" wields so much unwarranted power. |
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"FDR" wrote:
I bet they are begging because some "group" wields so much unwarranted power. All of this makes me enormously grateful that I do NOT live in a planned community with a neighborhood association to tell me what to do. I know a fellow in a suburb not far away that got an anonymous note in his mailbox: "In this neighborhood, we cut our lawns or FRIDAY!" He moved, gesturing with a limited number of fingers as he left. I'm in a "We don't care what you do as long as you don't frighten the livestock" neighborhood. Suits me fine. Gary Woods AKA K2AHC- PGP key on request, or at www.albany.net/~gwoods Zone 5/6 in upstate New York, 1420' elevation. NY WO G |
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"FDR" wrote:
I bet they are begging because some "group" wields so much unwarranted power. All of this makes me enormously grateful that I do NOT live in a planned community with a neighborhood association to tell me what to do. I know a fellow in a suburb not far away that got an anonymous note in his mailbox: "In this neighborhood, we cut our lawns or FRIDAY!" He moved, gesturing with a limited number of fingers as he left. I'm in a "We don't care what you do as long as you don't frighten the livestock" neighborhood. Suits me fine. Gary Woods AKA K2AHC- PGP key on request, or at www.albany.net/~gwoods Zone 5/6 in upstate New York, 1420' elevation. NY WO G |
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replying to Darwin Vander Stelt, behind the green mask wrote:
Not anymore. Agenda 21 changed that, & if u r deep enuf into this subject to post what you did, you must know it If, By some absurd chance you don't, or for those who want to know the truth about what's being done to me them & theirs, I suggest you see what Rosa Kory has to say about it. -- for full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/edible...wild-4294-.htm |
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