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Any value in becoming a master gardener?
Hello,
I've been interested in joining a local master gardener program. The only really bad side are the class hours....classes are on wednesdays for 6 months in the winter from 10-noon. The only bad thing about these hours are the location in the week...I would gladly take a 2 or even 3 hour class after work hours for 6 months. I was wondering if anyone has found being a master gardener to be a boost in finding jobs in horticulture, or at least some sort of respect in the agricultural fields (excuse the pun). Is there any value to these positions, or are you simply 100 free hours of hired help the first year, then 25 hours every year thereafter? I don't mind the volunteer work either, but these classes seem to focus the vast amount of time on flower gardens, not the herb, fruit and vegetables which I enjoy so much in gardening. When I asked more about utilitarian gardening (ie food), the trainer gave a blank stare, as if noone had ever thought of focusing on these topics. Thanks for any insight, Dan |
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Any value in becoming a master gardener?
I was wondering if anyone has found being a master gardener to be a boost in finding jobs in horticulture, or at least some sort of respect in the agricultural fields (excuse the pun). Is there any value to these positions, or are you simply 100 free hours of hired help the first year, then 25 hours every year thereafter? I don't mind the volunteer work either, but these classes seem to focus the vast amount of time on flower gardens, not the herb, fruit and vegetables which I enjoy so much in gardening. When I asked more about utilitarian gardening (ie food), the trainer gave a blank stare, as if noone had ever thought of focusing on these topics. The focus of the program is not job training. Although it seems that a good portion of Master Gardeners get hired in by garden centers around here. |
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Any value in becoming a master gardener?
Being a "master gardener" isn't free labor. You pay THEM for the honor of
getting sweaty and dirty. You need to provide your own clothes, equipment and transportation too!!!! There are few paying jobs in gardening because the "master gardeners" are taking them away!!! The trainer gave you a blank stare because they don't care about giving you any practical information. They just want your money and unpaid labor. dstvns wrote in message ... Hello, I've been interested in joining a local master gardener program. The only really bad side are the class hours....classes are on wednesdays for 6 months in the winter from 10-noon. The only bad thing about these hours are the location in the week...I would gladly take a 2 or even 3 hour class after work hours for 6 months. I was wondering if anyone has found being a master gardener to be a boost in finding jobs in horticulture, or at least some sort of respect in the agricultural fields (excuse the pun). Is there any value to these positions, or are you simply 100 free hours of hired help the first year, then 25 hours every year thereafter? I don't mind the volunteer work either, but these classes seem to focus the vast amount of time on flower gardens, not the herb, fruit and vegetables which I enjoy so much in gardening. When I asked more about utilitarian gardening (ie food), the trainer gave a blank stare, as if noone had ever thought of focusing on these topics. Thanks for any insight, Dan |
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Any value in becoming a master gardener?
The general concensus amongst working professionals in my area (some of whom
are certified MG's , some of whom are currently working towards certification as an MG, some of whom started the program and then left it, etc. IS, that it very much depends upon *where* you receive your training. Here in the metropolitan DC area, the Virginia MG program apparently is not highly regarded. Dave "dstvns" wrote in message ... Hello, I've been interested in joining a local master gardener program. The only really bad side are the class hours....classes are on wednesdays for 6 months in the winter from 10-noon. The only bad thing about these hours are the location in the week...I would gladly take a 2 or even 3 hour class after work hours for 6 months. I was wondering if anyone has found being a master gardener to be a boost in finding jobs in horticulture, or at least some sort of respect in the agricultural fields (excuse the pun). Is there any value to these positions, or are you simply 100 free hours of hired help the first year, then 25 hours every year thereafter? I don't mind the volunteer work either, but these classes seem to focus the vast amount of time on flower gardens, not the herb, fruit and vegetables which I enjoy so much in gardening. When I asked more about utilitarian gardening (ie food), the trainer gave a blank stare, as if noone had ever thought of focusing on these topics. Thanks for any insight, Dan |
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Any value in becoming a master gardener?
dstvns wrote: I was wondering if anyone has found being a master gardener to be a boost in finding jobs in horticulture, or at least some sort of respect in the agricultural fields (excuse the pun). Is there any value to these positions, or are you simply 100 free hours of hired help the first year, then 25 hours every year thereafter? I don't mind the volunteer work either, but these classes seem to focus the vast amount of time on flower gardens, not the herb, fruit and vegetables which I enjoy so much in gardening. When I asked more about utilitarian gardening (ie food), the trainer gave a blank stare, as if noone had ever thought of focusing on these topics. From the point of view of a professional horticulturist in the state where the MG program was first developed, it is of NO benefit to establishing a professional career. The program was not intended for this purpose and to be blatantly honest, very few "graduates" have anything more than the most cursory horticultural knowledge. The program was intended to relieve the local extension agents of the huge amounts of gardening-related questions that pop up daily by offering free 'plant clinics' at local garden centers and nursery departments of larger discount and box stores. It has expanded in some areas to include other volunteer activities like reclaiming greenbelts of exotic invasives, demonstration gardens, planting of small pocket parks and traffic circles, etc. If you wish to expand your own knowledge to a limited degree ( you can achieve as much or more with self-study) and like to volunteer and have the time to do so, then this is a good program to participate in. If you wish to enter the horticultural field in any professional capacity, then take the time to get proper training through a technical or community college or other accreditied institution. I know of few professionals in this biz that regard MG's with any kind of respect. pam - gardengal |
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In article , wrote:
Hello, I've been interested in joining a local master gardener program. The only really bad side are the class hours....classes are on wednesdays for 6 months in the winter from 10-noon. The only bad thing about these hours are the location in the week...I would gladly take a 2 or even 3 hour class after work hours for 6 months. I was wondering if anyone has found being a master gardener to be a boost in finding jobs in horticulture, or at least some sort of respect in the agricultural fields (excuse the pun). Is there any value to these positions, or are you simply 100 free hours of hired help the first year, then 25 hours every year thereafter? I don't mind the volunteer work either, but these classes seem to focus the vast amount of time on flower gardens, not the herb, fruit and vegetables which I enjoy so much in gardening. When I asked more about utilitarian gardening (ie food), the trainer gave a blank stare, as if noone had ever thought of focusing on these topics. Thanks for any insight, Dan The blank stair you got in lieu of an answer is typical of Master Gardeners. As you noted, even the hours you can participate sometimes assume only retirees with nothing better to do are interested. If you can find your way into the presence of ten master gardeners at once, at least a couple of them will be pretty damned smart about stuff -- but definitely not because they took that program, the main reward for which is social rather than educative. When I first bought this house & had lots & lots of very basic gardening questions, I'd go to the saturday market where there'd be two or three master gardeners sitting amidst the vegetable stands, & I might have brought some bug, or a spotty leaf I was worried about, & I virtually never got a reply that was of any use. A typical reply would be, "It's too bad Jo'es not here today, I bet he'd know that!" By now, when I see master gardeners who've been permitted to set up camp at some nursery or at the market, I barely even wave hi from a distance. I think the only reason nurseries let them set up at all is because it is a nice thing to do for the sake of the master gardener community, who do at least buy plants from time to time. One thing I've found local Master Gardeners good for is their eagerness to share starts of thigns from own gardens, usually common stuff that spreads rapidly, but a few heirloom things not really available otherwise. They're very generous in some regards. The nursery workers 'round here never did the master gardener program, many have no special training of any sort, a few of the workers really are mentally ill & are rather like the retarded adults hired by restaurant owners to shiny up the tables & do the dishes. So getting general nursery work seems to be more who you get to know as a devoted gardener -- having taken a Master Gardener course would neither add to nor subtract from opportunities in retail . . . which, when you think of it, is scarsely horticultural work at all, unless the retailer is simultaneously a grower. I've been offered nursery work without wanting any, on the basis of being able to answer simple questions at random, being a bit of a nursery-nurd, & by having friends who manage nurseries who would rather hire someone they know. I always turn these down, but it's kind of good to know that I, no less than some pleasant but retarded adult, could in a financial crisis probably at least score a job shuffling potted perennials, sticking bareroot briars in sawdust, & keeping everything moist. But once you get beyond the category of retail nursery laborer, what will be required for serious horticultural work is having gotten the requisit degrees through university courses, NOT attending spare-time social events for little-old-ladies-in-tennis-shoes. By the time you're doing an authentic internship at an experimental gardening station, you'll honestly know your stuff. But expecting to get a good job as a horticulturalist from an insta-course would be like expecting to get a job as a newspaper journalist because you once signed up for a writing workshop on how to keep a diary. Some things just have to be done for pleasure without higher expectation, & master gardener program is one of those things. -paghat the ratgirl -- "Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher. "Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature. -from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers" See the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: http://www.paghat.com/ |
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Any value in becoming a master gardener?
"dstvns" wrote in message
... Hello, I've been interested in joining a local master gardener program. The only really bad side are the class hours....classes are on wednesdays for 6 months in the winter from 10-noon. The only bad thing about these hours are the location in the week...I would gladly take a 2 or even 3 hour class after work hours for 6 months. I was wondering if anyone has found being a master gardener to be a boost in finding jobs in horticulture, or at least some sort of respect in the agricultural fields (excuse the pun). Is there any value to these positions, or are you simply 100 free hours of hired help the first year, then 25 hours every year thereafter? I don't mind the volunteer work either, but these classes seem to focus the vast amount of time on flower gardens, not the herb, fruit and vegetables which I enjoy so much in gardening. When I asked more about utilitarian gardening (ie food), the trainer gave a blank stare, as if noone had ever thought of focusing on these topics. Thanks for any insight, Dan This question about becoming a Master Gardener has been asked before and as usual is being stomped on by this group. First, the name Master Gardener is a misnomer. There isn't enough training involved to learn much about anything. Hobby Gardeners or Friends of Gardening would be far more accurate titles. Second, it will not prepare you for a job in horticulture although you would be a better candidate for a job in a horticulture center than a body hired off the street by management. At least you showed enough interest in plants to get some training, minimal as it is. Third, your question about vegetable gardening to a trainer raises another interesting question. How many people do you know who actually have a vegetable garden beyond a couple of tomatoes and a pepper plant or two? I regularly complain whenever I watch "Victory Garden" on PBS about the totally impractical/cutesy stuff they air. Most people now think of gardening as raising flowers, shrubs, grasses, and ornamental trees. (Heaven help this country if people ever had to return to a society where they had to raise their own food.) Fourth, contributing to your area through volunteer work is a plus or minus, depending upon your viewpoint. If you have the time and inclination to work in your local park or other public areas and enjoy getting dirty and sweaty occasionally, it can be a relaxing and rewarding experience. If you think you are taking away jobs from Joe Public, don't. Our local park has a native wildflower area, a 19th century herb/vegetable garden, and a beautiful planting of native, flowering shrubs done by local Master Gardeners. (Most of these are projects that would never have been completed or maintained without free labor.) Finally, becoming a Master Gardener does have a lot of personal pluses. It puts you in contact with people with a similar hobby/interest and that includes vegetable gardening. Many Master Gardener groups have enough people with diverse gardening interests that there is something for everyone. As much as there are sneers about common items that spread rapidly being swapped or given away by Master Gardeners, such items as winter jasmine, salvia leucantha, salvia guaranitica (blue and purple), several viburnum varieties, little leafed lilacs, double altheas, hydrangeas, thornless blackberries, etc. now are part of my yard because of these swaps. In turn I share tomatoes, peppers, cucumbers, okra, and beans as well as started cuttings from a snowball bushes, pussy willow, kerria, honeycomb buddleia, crape myrtlettes, and beauty berry bush, and small redbuds that appear in my flower beds. If anything invasive arrives for swap, the swap table "police person" gives a warning to everyone. As an added bonus, we regularly pay guest speaker experts to give presentations at regular or special interest meetings. I find that the Master Gardener group is a plus for me. Most but not all Master Gardeners are great people, but there are some one avoids because they're obnoxious. The same can be said for this ng! I'm sure I'll get sneering, stomping remarks make about my analysis from certain individuals, but I enjoy the contacts in the MG group. John |
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On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 16:12:39 -0500, "B & J"
wrote: I'm sure I'll get sneering, stomping remarks make about my analysis from certain individuals, but I enjoy the contacts in the MG group. John Not from here John. It so happens that the training here is quite good. Yes in some cases it produces some know it alls who know little about gardening, but generally the program has provided some really nice folks who do some great community service projects in horticulture. (BTW they cringe at the idea of me joining, I wonder why? LOL I look forward to my yearly lecture to the group. |
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Any value in becoming a master gardener?
"B & J" wrote in message ... "dstvns" wrote in message ... Hello, I find that the Master Gardener group is a plus for me. Most but not all Master Gardeners are great people, but there are some one avoids because they're obnoxious. The same can be said for this ng! I'm sure I'll get sneering, stomping remarks make about my analysis from certain individuals, but I enjoy the contacts in the MG group. Quite a nice and balanced reply. The original poster was asking about it improving chances to get employement, and in my county it would, since we're far from the big cities. I know of two nurseries here that look for MGs as staffers. Philip |
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"Tom Jaszewski" wrote in message
... On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 16:12:39 -0500, "B & J" wrote: I'm sure I'll get sneering, stomping remarks made about my analysis from certain individuals, but I enjoy my contacts in the MG group and what they do. John Not from here, John. It so happens that the training here is quite good. Yes, in some cases it produces some "know it alls" who know little about gardening, but generally the program has provided some really nice folks who do some great community service projects in horticulture. (BTW they cringe at the idea of me joining, I wonder why? LOL I look forward to my yearly lecture to the group. I can well understand why the group cringes about having YOU as a member, Tom, VBSEG, but thanks for the kind words. People who are willing to disturb the status quo are a distinct asset to any group. John |
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That's because you are just two peas in the same crock pot!!!!
They were asking about the so called "master gardener" program not masturbating gardeners. B & J wrote in message ... "Tom Jaszewski" wrote in message ... On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 16:12:39 -0500, "B & J" wrote: I'm sure I'll get sneering, stomping remarks made about my analysis from certain individuals, but I enjoy my contacts in the MG group and what they do. John Not from here, John. It so happens that the training here is quite good. Yes, in some cases it produces some "know it alls" who know little about gardening, but generally the program has provided some really nice folks who do some great community service projects in horticulture. (BTW they cringe at the idea of me joining, I wonder why? LOL I look forward to my yearly lecture to the group. I can well understand why the group cringes about having YOU as a member, Tom, VBSEG, but thanks for the kind words. People who are willing to disturb the status quo are a distinct asset to any group. John |
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Any value in becoming a master gardener?
On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 06:20:52 GMT,since it's all about me
(dstvns) professed: I was wondering if anyone has found being a master gardener to be a boost in finding jobs in horticulture, or at least some sort of respect in the agricultural fields (excuse the pun). 'Round here the main use for a Master Gardener's certification seems to be to start all your sentences with "Well, I'm a Master Gardener, and I say..." so you can annoy the **** out of anyone in earshot. Pam -- "Maybe you'd like to ask the Wizard for a heart." "ElissaAnn" |
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Pam wrote: On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 06:20:52 GMT,since it's all about me (dstvns) professed: I was wondering if anyone has found being a master gardener to be a boost in finding jobs in horticulture, or at least some sort of respect in the agricultural fields (excuse the pun). 'Round here the main use for a Master Gardener's certification seems to be to start all your sentences with "Well, I'm a Master Gardener, and I say..." so you can annoy the **** out of anyone in earshot. Worry not, we have you to perform that function for us. |
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On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 20:00:58 GMT, "Cereoid-UR12-"
wrote: That's because you are just two peas in the same crock pot!!!! They were asking about the so called "master gardener" program not masturbating gardeners. Thanks Stanley, but hanging out with community volunteers is far more rewarding than your cactus thief friends... |
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