In article 0EfWb.277599$na.438903@attbi_s04,
says...
I had no idea so many people were using off-brand, no-name browsers and
newsreaders in this newsgroup!
I assumed that since most everyone uses a Microsoft Windows operating system
that they would also use the compatible Microsoft internet explorer browser
along with the Microsoft Outlook or Outlook Express for the newsreader and
email client which requires one to have word processor software to activate
the spell check feature!.

Use Netscape or Mozilla and you'll avoid a lot of the virii
which target Windows machines.

Go whole hog to Linux and laugh at virii :-).

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In article ,
says...
If you can figure out what the person means in a world
wide forum then that should be good enough.

This is a weak arguement used to support terrible habits. For those that
don't have English as a second language, there /is/ no excuse (and that's
allowing for the differences in English vs. American spellings as well as

snip

Well said!

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On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 12:16:04 -0500, wrote in
rec.gardens.edible:

These are dedicated news readers, programs specifically for
use in reading Usenet news. Some have email capability as
well.

Pat

I use Agent for both usenet and e-mail. Agent 2.0 has just been released.
Agent's creators do refer to it as a browser.
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On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 12:16:04 -0500, wrote in
rec.gardens.edible:

These are dedicated news readers, programs specifically for
use in reading Usenet news. Some have email capability as
well.

Pat

I use Agent for both usenet and e-mail. Agent 2.0 has just been released.
Agent's creators do refer to it as a browser.
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Canada Zone 5a
United States Zone 3a
Near Ottawa, Ontario

On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 12:16:04 -0500, wrote in
rec.gardens.edible:

These are dedicated news readers, programs specifically for
use in reading Usenet news. Some have email capability as
well.

Pat

I use Agent for both usenet and e-mail. Agent 2.0 has just been released.
Agent's creators do refer to it as a browser.
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Canada Zone 5a
United States Zone 3a
Near Ottawa, Ontario

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On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 10:41:00 -0500, Steve Calvin
wrote:

Frogleg wrote:

On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 13:05:32 -0500, Steve Calvin
wrote:

Actually most browsers have a spell checker built in. But really, who
cares? If you can figure out what the person means in a world wide forum
then that should be good enough.

This is my *least* favorite argument for poor communication. We could
conceivably manage, probably not in print, with pointing and grunting.

My point was that people world wide participate in Usenet groups. For a
majority of them, english is not their primary language. They are to be
commended for making an attempt to communicate for foreign people in a
tongue not native to their land. All of this nitpicking over grammar,
sentence structure, etc is poppycock and only belongs in a University.

Allowances are always made for obvious non-English speakers. There
are, of course, newsgroups in many languages other than English, too.
"How gro putat?" isn't usually from a non English-speaking poster, but
a troll of some sort. As I posted, my own casual correspondence (and
posting) is far from error-free. I typed 'desert' for 'dessert' again
this week. What one wants to see, I think, is reasonable care. There
are very few posts nit-picking about spelling and the like in the
normal course of communication. The OP appears to be a nit-picker.
This discussion, indeed, belongs in another forum.

On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 06:07:37 +0000, Sherwin Dubren wrote:

Well Jack,
I was just waiting for some wise ass
^^^^^^^^

VERY 'professional', Sherwin.

Has it ever occurred to you that, due to the international appeal of the
Internet, not everyone who posts here has English as their native tongue?
Some speak English as their second or third language and the intricacies
of its spelling rules is lost on them.



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On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 15:36:15 +0000, Anne wrote:

I am not aware of any browsers that have a spell check feature and I expect
yours doesn't either.

Pan (for Linux) does.

Bill
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Everyone get busy commenting on this post because it will soon die
otherwise!

First of all, I wonder about someone who hides behind the name
anonymous.

Secondly, I lived abroad for several years studying the language in that
country,
so I know what it means to try and communicate in your second language.
Although I never did it while living abroad, if I wrote a letter to the
newspapers, etc.,
I would have had one of my native friends check my language. Despite
all that,
I think that many of these postings are coming from English speaking
countries
and the issue is more that they were probably never properly trained to
spell.
However, these people do know enough to compose a message and send it to
a news group.
All they have to do is invoke a spell checker. You can bet if these
people are adding
up their bills or balancing their checking accounts, they use a
calculator to be sure everything is correct, if their arithmetic is on
the
weak side. Most of the messages on the newsgroups are pretty good
about
spelling, and an occasional error is not a problem. However, some of
the
messages I see are atrocious, and makes you wonder how some of these
people made it
past the second grade. If there weren't these nice tools like spell
checkers available,
I would say this is something we have to accept, but that is not the
case. The sad thing
is that most of these spelling offenders are not even aware that they
are making these mistakes.

Sherwin Dubren


Anonymous wrote:

On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 06:07:37 +0000, Sherwin Dubren wrote:

Well Jack,
I was just waiting for some wise ass
^^^^^^^^

VERY 'professional', Sherwin.

Has it ever occurred to you that, due to the international appeal of the
Internet, not everyone who posts here has English as their native tongue?
Some speak English as their second or third language and the intricacies
of its spelling rules is lost on them.

All the more reason to invoke an automated spelling check.

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Sherwin Dubren top-posted in message
...
[snip]
The sad thing is that most of these spelling offenders are
not even aware that they are making these mistakes.
[snip]

Never mistake sloth for stupidity; the two are mutually exclusive.

The Ranger

PS: Reset your line-wrap to 66 [characters]; it'll help in delivering your
message without having to take extra steps during the editing phase for
future posters.

"Steve Calvin" wrote in message
...
[snip]
But really, who cares?

Repressed grammarians? Editors in Real Life® and Fantasy? Litterateur? Those
that appreciate clarity in thought and verse when presented it as a form of
communcation in a newsgroup?

If you can figure out what the person means in a world
wide forum then that should be good enough.

This is a weak arguement used to support terrible habits. For those that
don't have English as a second language, there /is/ no excuse (and that's
allowing for the differences in English vs. American spellings as well as
any localizated terms). Bad spelling, just like poor writing and speaking,
are habits that should be avoided and the only way of doing that is breaking
them prior posting a message for the world to see. If you can't take the
time to reduce the simple errors (and I'm not talking latin spellings or
scientific terms that work at tangling tongue and fingers alike), then the
message will be viewed as less important than one that is [mostly]
error-free by someone that took a few extra seconds to check it.

This "extra time" and effort work to distill a rambling thought AND tighten
missed or off comments. And written communications could always use
more-specific meanings; it's not like vocalization where you have extra
hints at what the person is saying.

The Ranger

ObJalapeños: Both my plants are STILL producing peppers! They're slightly
more mild and if I let them grow too large they get woody but they're fine
in stews!

Not everyone active in this newsgroup has the (spell check) option.
Why keep this ridiculous thread that didn't even belong in this newsgroup
going?
Seems to me that only the folks that want to use this forum as a chat-room
are responding so to not let it die.
"Sherwin Dubren" wrote in message
...
First of all, I wonder about someone who hides behind the name
anonymous.

Secondly, I lived abroad for several years studying the language in that
country,
so I know what it means to try and communicate in your second language.
Although I never did it while living abroad, if I wrote a letter to the
newspapers, etc.,
I would have had one of my native friends check my language. Despite
all that,
I think that many of these postings are coming from English speaking
countries
and the issue is more that they were probably never properly trained to
spell.
However, these people do know enough to compose a message and send it to
a news group.
All they have to do is invoke a spell checker. You can bet if these
people are adding
up their bills or balancing their checking accounts, they use a
calculator to be sure everything is correct, if their arithmetic is on
the
weak side. Most of the messages on the newsgroups are pretty good
about
spelling, and an occasional error is not a problem. However, some of
the
messages I see are atrocious, and makes you wonder how some of these
people made it
past the second grade. If there weren't these nice tools like spell
checkers available,
I would say this is something we have to accept, but that is not the
case. The sad thing
is that most of these spelling offenders are not even aware that they
are making these mistakes.

Sherwin Dubren


Anonymous wrote:

On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 06:07:37 +0000, Sherwin Dubren wrote:

Well Jack,
I was just waiting for some wise ass
^^^^^^^^

VERY 'professional', Sherwin.

Has it ever occurred to you that, due to the international appeal of the
Internet, not everyone who posts here has English as their native
tongue?
Some speak English as their second or third language and the intricacies
of its spelling rules is lost on them.

All the more reason to invoke an automated spelling check.

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The Ranger wrote:
...................................
Never mistake sloth for stupidity; the two are mutually exclusive.
...................................


Well, I don't understand that at all.

Steve