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I had a problem with wood chips against the house (artillery fungus),so now
I am trying cocoa shells for mulch,has anybody have an opinion on coca bean shells as mulch.Thanks |
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lots and lots of fungus. rather useless as mulch. smells nice tho. Ingrid
"Tony Pacc" wrote: I had a problem with wood chips against the house (artillery fungus),so now I am trying cocoa shells for mulch,has anybody have an opinion on coca bean shells as mulch.Thanks ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List at http://weloveteaching.com/puregold/ sign up: http://groups.google.com/groups/dir?...s=Group+lookup www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I receive no compensation for running the Puregold list or Puregold website. I do not run nor receive any money from the ads at the old Puregold site. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Zone 5 next to Lake Michigan |
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Tony Pacc wrote:
I had a problem with wood chips against the house (artillery fungus),so now I am trying cocoa shells for mulch,has anybody have an opinion on coca bean shells as mulch.Thanks If you have a fungus problem with wood chips you are likely going to have the same type of problem with cocoa shells. I had a neighbor that used them. The shells had a very nice smell when they first put them down but after a rainy spring the smelled like baby vomit. There are many other mulches you can use. Stop by your local garden center and see what they recommend for you area. -- Bill R. (Ohio Valley, U.S.A) Gardening for over 40 years To see pictures from my garden visit http://members.iglou.com/brosen Digital Camera - Pentax *ist DL Remove NO_WEEDS_ in e-mail address to reply by e-mail |
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"Tony Pacc" wrote in message ... I had a problem with wood chips against the house (artillery fungus),so now I am trying cocoa shells for mulch,has anybody have an opinion on coca bean shells as mulch.Thanks My experience is that if you put them on too thick, they mold |
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Bill R wrote in
: Tony Pacc wrote: I had a problem with wood chips against the house (artillery fungus),so now I am trying cocoa shells for mulch,has anybody have an opinion on coca bean shells as mulch.Thanks If you have a fungus problem with wood chips you are likely going to have the same type of problem with cocoa shells. they are also deadly to dogs. lee |
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Tony Pacc said:
I had a problem with wood chips against the house (artillery fungus),so now I am trying cocoa shells for mulch, has anybody have an opinion on coca bean shells as mulch.Thanks I use cocoa shells, but almost always mixed with shredded leaves. When used alone they tend to clump and mold when put down in anything more than a very thin layer. -- Pat in Plymouth MI ('someplace.net' is comcast) Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced. (attributed to Don Marti) |
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Rebecca on the garden show "Rebecca's Garden" uses it for the smell and as a
slug deteriorate. I do not have any personal experience with it. Elaine "Tony Pacc" wrote in message ... I had a problem with wood chips against the house (artillery fungus),so now I am trying cocoa shells for mulch,has anybody have an opinion on coca bean shells as mulch.Thanks |
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you gotta have dogs willing to eat a whole lot of it. none of my 6 dogs ever showed
any interest in eating any. Ingrid enigma wrote: Bill R wrote in : Tony Pacc wrote: I had a problem with wood chips against the house (artillery fungus),so now I am trying cocoa shells for mulch,has anybody have an opinion on coca bean shells as mulch.Thanks If you have a fungus problem with wood chips you are likely going to have the same type of problem with cocoa shells. they are also deadly to dogs. lee ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List at http://weloveteaching.com/puregold/ sign up: http://groups.google.com/groups/dir?...s=Group+lookup www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I receive no compensation for running the Puregold list or Puregold website. I do not run nor receive any money from the ads at the old Puregold site. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Zone 5 next to Lake Michigan |
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my dogs are crazy for chocolate. of course most chocolate bars have very little
chocolate in them. still, none of my dogs have showed any interest in cocoa bean mulch. stuff is pretty useless anyway, not worth the expense. my dogs eat grapes and raisins all the time, in fact we had one springer-lab mix used to eat all the ripe grapes right off the vine up as high as he could reach. never had a problem with them. and there is documentation of foxes and wolves eating pounds of grapes when they can get em. turns out canines have a sweet tooth. again, doesnt hurt the foxes and wolves. in the case of chocolate they have identified the compound that is toxic, in the case of grapes they cannot find anything toxic, so it appears to be anecdotal, isolated and/or allergic type reaction of individual dogs. every year it seems there is something "new" that is deadly to dogs or cats. the latest is xylitol as in gum containing this artificial sweetener. YMMV. Ingrid enigma wrote: wrote in : you gotta have dogs willing to eat a whole lot of it. none of my 6 dogs ever showed any interest in eating any. acually, it doesn't take much, especially with a small dog. i guess some dogs really go for chocolate, but none of mine ever have either. another thing to watch out for with dogs is grapes & raisins. they cause kidney failure. my BIL lost a dog to raisins last fall. the 4 year old dropped her box (snack size) of raisins as they were going out. when they got home, the dog was near dead. the vet couldn't save it. it was a Rottie cross, so not a small dog. lee ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List at http://weloveteaching.com/puregold/ sign up: http://groups.google.com/groups/dir?...s=Group+lookup www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I receive no compensation for running the Puregold list or Puregold website. I do not run nor receive any money from the ads at the old Puregold site. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Zone 5 next to Lake Michigan |
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the problem is ... this is anecdotal. There are no controlled studies showing the
toxicity of grapes. the dog is sick, people bring in the dog, the vet asks what the dog ate, and what the human can remember renders it anecdotal. obviously, lots of dogs, foxes and wolves eat grapes without getting sick or dying. they love them, dont have an aversion which is expected if they were routinely toxic as evolution takes care of instilling avoidance. why grapes may be toxic for some dogs is not understood. SO FAR, no toxic compounds have been found in grapes. No scientific studies have been done. Ingrid "Val" wrote: http://www.snopes.com/critters/crusader/raisins.asp ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List at http://weloveteaching.com/puregold/ sign up: http://groups.google.com/groups/dir?...s=Group+lookup www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I receive no compensation for running the Puregold list or Puregold website. I do not run nor receive any money from the ads at the old Puregold site. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Zone 5 next to Lake Michigan |
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Cocoa mulch does have four times the theobromine as a chocolate bar, but
only a fraction of what's in bakers chocolate. Once ounce of Baker's chocolate could kill a dog. By comparison the cocoa mulch's degree of danger is slight because a dog would have to be neurotic to eat enough mulch to get more than mildly ill. The often repeated baseless data that 2 to 5 ounces of cocoa mulch can kill an average sized dog is false, & was generated by PETA & widely distributed during a political campaign against Foreman's & Home Depot. PETA simultaneously alleged that cocoa mulch kills cats, which is impossible. The 5 ounce measure has often been repeated since, but an independent analysis done by University of Illinois professors Wiesbrook & Gwaltney-Brant said it would take 12 ounces to kill a dog, & even that is an estimate that sought to err on the side of caution. A lethal dose of theobromine from milk chocolate candy would require a dog in the 50 to 65 pound range to eat FOUR POUNDS to reach a toxic level. This is why no child ever killed its dog sharing one little piece of chocolate, unwise though that sharing may be. Cocoa mulch has four times the theobromine of milk chocolate, therefore it is easy to speculate that one pound of mulch would be just as toxic to the dog -- if only you can convince the dog to eat a pound of shells with so great an ease as you might get it to eat a chocolate bar. Only a neurotic dog would get so far, so the "fact" in this case is that a very unhappy miserable dog with neurotic behaviors including devouring cocoa mulch just might kill itself. But there is no question that dogs have presented to veterinarians with cocoa mulch poisoning, though outright deaths are extremely rare. Deaths are extremely common for dogs that got into pastries or fudge made from pure Bakers chocolate, however. If a large dog could manage to stomach between twelve ounces & a pound of cocoa mulch, it probably would die. That much is true. Pile up that much of the stuff & then try to imagine any dog finishing it off! *What are the serious odds of a dog eating three-quarters of a pound to a pound of such lightweight stuff at a go? We're talking about a threat to dogs that are already psychologically damaged, not to well-adjusted dogs. -paghat the ratgirl -- Get your Paghat the Ratgirl T-Shirt he http://www.paghat.com/giftshop.html "In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot." -Thomas Jefferson |
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