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improving clay soil
The previous owner made a flower bed of mostly clay soil,it has about 2"
mulch,is there any way I can improve this soil without removing all that mulch,like putting manure on top of the mulch hoping it will work it's way into the soil.Its a pretty large area if I have to remove all that mulch. |
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Tony Pacc wrote:
The previous owner made a flower bed of mostly clay soil,it has about 2" mulch,is there any way I can improve this soil without removing all that mulch,like putting manure on top of the mulch hoping it will work it's way into the soil.Its a pretty large area if I have to remove all that mulch. If the mulch that is already there is either fine or is coarse and already starting to break down I'd simply turn it over and mix it into the soil as deeply as I could. In fact, that quantity probably isn't sufficient if the clay is as nasty as my local sort -- add several more inches of compost to the existing mulch and turn that over. In my experience it can take a huge quantity of organic material amendment to improve clay. I've even resorted to adding perlite to lighten the heaviest sort. Of course you'll need to replace the mulch on top after planting. -- John McGaw [Knoxville, TN, USA] http://johnmcgaw.com |
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"John McGaw" wrote : Tony Pacc wrote: The previous owner made a flower bed of mostly clay soil,it has about 2" mulch,is there any way I can improve this soil without removing all that mulch,like putting manure on top of the mulch hoping it will work it's way into the soil.Its a pretty large area if I have to remove all that mulch. If the mulch that is already there is either fine or is coarse and already starting to break down I'd simply turn it over and mix it into the soil as deeply as I could. In fact, that quantity probably isn't sufficient if the clay is as nasty as my local sort -- add several more inches of compost to the existing mulch and turn that over. In my experience it can take a huge quantity of organic material amendment to improve clay. I've even resorted to adding perlite to lighten the heaviest sort. Of course you'll need to replace the mulch on top after planting. John McGaw I agree with John. We have heavy clay of the worst kind - gray, streaked with blue. Ghastly stuff. We turn the mulch in every year, add compost, even peat moss. It takes time, but you really can build up the soil. Our flower beds now are great, with easily turned soil. Just have patience and keep it up. Dora |
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"Tony Pacc" wrote in message ... The previous owner made a flower bed of mostly clay soil,it has about 2" mulch,is there any way I can improve this soil without removing all that mulch,like putting manure on top of the mulch hoping it will work it's way into the soil.Its a pretty large area if I have to remove all that mulch. It will improve the soil much faster if you dig the mulch in to at least a foot deep. Mix it well with the soil. Adding some peatmoss and sand will help loosen the clay. Adding rotted manure or compost from stores like Home Depot will make a difference. Our soil is a heavy red clay. After 13 years of adding organic matter to the flower beds and veggie patch you would never know it. |
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On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 09:49:46 -0500, "Mindful"
wrote: "Tony Pacc" wrote in message ... The previous owner made a flower bed of mostly clay soil,it has about 2" mulch,is there any way I can improve this soil without removing all that mulch,like putting manure on top of the mulch hoping it will work it's way into the soil.Its a pretty large area if I have to remove all that mulch. It will improve the soil much faster if you dig the mulch in to at least a foot deep. Mix it well with the soil. Adding some peatmoss and sand will help loosen the clay. Adding rotted manure or compost from stores like Home Depot will make a difference. Our soil is a heavy red clay. After 13 years of adding organic matter to the flower beds and veggie patch you would never know it. Yep. We had heavy clay soil that I first mistook for concrete It took a couple of years, but after adding soil conditioner, peat moss, compost, and just about anything organic (even gutter crud), the soil turns much more easily. Though it's still hard to get anything other than the most indestructible plants to grow there (lantana is doing very well), it was definitely worth the effort. Dig deep. Don't rush. Let the elements take whatever time they need. --Nan |
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"Tony Pacc" wrote in message
... The previous owner made a flower bed of mostly clay soil,it has about 2" mulch,is there any way I can improve this soil without removing all that mulch,like putting manure on top of the mulch hoping it will work it's way into the soil.Its a pretty large area if I have to remove all that mulch. In addition to all the other suggestions, call some REAL garden centers to see if they sell bags of gypsum, sold specifically for busting up clay soil. A friend has had good results with it, although it's not something that's going to work in one season. Ask for it at Home Depot, and the knuckleheads will probably try and walk you to the lumber department. Don't bother. |
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"Tony Pacc" wrote:
The previous owner made a flower bed of mostly clay soil,it has about 2" mulch,is there any way I can improve this soil without removing all that mulch,like putting manure on top of the mulch hoping it will work it's way into the soil.Its a pretty large area if I have to remove all that mulch. Hi Tony, there is nothing better than good organic compost to improve clay soil. However there is one other soil additive, Calcium Sulfate, or gypsum which will counteract the increase of sodium in clay soils caused by agricultural irrigation. In high sodium clay soils, the application of gypsum will free the sodium and loosen up the soil and increase drainage. If you are reclaiming farm land in the SE USA, then this may be helpful. In other places it is of little use and may even be harmful. -- Pardon my spam deterrent; send email to Visit my Rhododendron and Azalea web pages at: http://home.earthlink.net/~rhodyman/rhody.html Also visit the Rhododendron and Azalea Bookstore at: http://home.earthlink.net/~rhodyman/rhodybooks.html Cheers, Steve Henning in Reading, PA USA Zone 6 |
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"Tony Pacc" wrote in message ... The previous owner made a flower bed of mostly clay soil,it has about 2" mulch,is there any way I can improve this soil without removing all that mulch,like putting manure on top of the mulch hoping it will work it's way into the soil.Its a pretty large area if I have to remove all that mulch. http://www.fbga.net/Lasagna%20gardening%202004.htm rob |
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g'day tony,
i would lay a mass of gypsum down and rake it in then give it a good water, then put some more manure or organic matter then mulch it with spoilt hay. or it might be simpler to just put an edge around it and convert it to a raised bed, see my page for building a garden and also a link to ausgarden blog for my latest project. snipped With peace and brightest of blessings, len -- "Be Content With What You Have And May You Find Serenity and Tranquillity In A World That You May Not Understand." http://www.gardenlen.com |
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yeam bury those fish from the koi pond ni it and it makes good soil.
-- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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Yes it does make good ripe soil. On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 14:46:43 -0500, Wëndălen© wrote: yeam bury those fish from the koi pond ni it and it makes good soil. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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"gardenlen" wrote in message ... g'day tony, i would lay a mass of gypsum down and rake it in then give it a good water, then put some more manure or organic matter then mulch it with spoilt hay. or it might be simpler to just put an edge around it and convert it to a raised bed, see my page for building a garden and also a link to ausgarden blog for my latest project. I'll second that suggestion. |
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On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 14:54:24 -0400, "James"
wrote: "gardenlen" wrote in message .. . g'day tony, i would lay a mass of gypsum down and rake it in then give it a good water, then put some more manure or organic matter then mulch it with spoilt hay. or it might be simpler to just put an edge around it and convert it to a raised bed, see my page for building a garden and also a link to ausgarden blog for my latest project. I'll second that suggestion. Gypsum is good. Lime works too, although it takes longer, and a lot less expensive. If you go the lime route, test your soil first. It is probably acidic and in that case the lime will help. Working compost into the soil will do wonders for clay soil too. If given the choice of sandy soil and clay soil, I'd take the clay soil--at least it has more nutrients in it than sandy soil. |
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Take a freaking hike Phiserman, yur a jerk! On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 19:43:37 GMT, Phisherman wrote: On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 14:54:24 -0400, "James" wrote: "gardenlen" wrote in message . .. g'day tony, i would lay a mass of gypsum down and rake it in then give it a good water, then put some more manure or organic matter then mulch it with spoilt hay. or it might be simpler to just put an edge around it and convert it to a raised bed, see my page for building a garden and also a link to ausgarden blog for my latest project. I'll second that suggestion. Gypsum is good. Lime works too, although it takes longer, and a lot less expensive. If you go the lime route, test your soil first. It is probably acidic and in that case the lime will help. Working compost into the soil will do wonders for clay soil too. If given the choice of sandy soil and clay soil, I'd take the clay soil--at least it has more nutrients in it than sandy soil. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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improving clay soil
Gypsum or lime ONLY if your soil is on the acid side. If it's alkaline, it
will only make it more so. Suzy, Wisconsin Zone 5 |
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