Sorry if this is going to the wrong place, but I wasn't able to find a
decent group other than this one.

I have this douglas fir in my backyard, probably 50+ years old, the people
who built the septic system deliberately routed the drain field around this
tree.

The septic system has been in operation for 50 years with no problems so I
suspect the douglas fir is probably older than 50 years and roots already
established, but I can't really tell.

My question is, given the fact that the roots of this tree are probably
always in damp soil, plus provided with lots and lots of organic matter from
the drain field would this tree be a candidate for rotting or would the tree
be one of the strongest and healthiest around the neighborhood? The city is
also threatening to buy our development out and that means sewer hookup -
that douglas fir will no longer be benefitting from my septic tank.

The only reason why I'm asking is because I'm having a 50+ year old birch
removed that is deader than a doornail and I wondered if I might take care
of this tree before it falls and does some damage. I live in an area where
60 to 70 mph gusts are not uncommon 2 to 3 times a year. Frankly that the
birch tree is still standing boggles my mind.

I happen to like the douglas fir where it is, it provides a home for the
birdies and squirrels and provides me with some shade in the summer.

Eigenvector wrote:
Sorry if this is going to the wrong place, but I wasn't able to find a
decent group other than this one.

I have this douglas fir in my backyard, probably 50+ years old, the
people who built the septic system deliberately routed the drain field
around this tree.

The septic system has been in operation for 50 years with no problems so
I suspect the douglas fir is probably older than 50 years and roots
already established, but I can't really tell.

My question is, given the fact that the roots of this tree are probably
always in damp soil, plus provided with lots and lots of organic matter
from the drain field would this tree be a candidate for rotting or would
the tree be one of the strongest and healthiest around the
neighborhood? The city is also threatening to buy our development out
and that means sewer hookup - that douglas fir will no longer be
benefitting from my septic tank.

The only reason why I'm asking is because I'm having a 50+ year old
birch removed that is deader than a doornail and I wondered if I might
take care of this tree before it falls and does some damage. I live in
an area where 60 to 70 mph gusts are not uncommon 2 to 3 times a year.
Frankly that the birch tree is still standing boggles my mind.

I happen to like the douglas fir where it is, it provides a home for the
birdies and squirrels and provides me with some shade in the summer.


Where are you located?

I'm in the West Hills in Portland, OR.

Around here there are lots of second growth Doug fir that are pushing 80
- 120 years old and 70 - 140 feet in height.

In the 30 years I've been in this house, I've had four come down in our
thankfully infrequent but severe when they happen wind storms. Three
had a root rot / fungus that I cant remember the name of but which is
common in doug fir. Gives the roots a yellowish color / cat, and leaves
them mushy. Super saturated soils fro fall rains, heavy wind wih winter
storms, and dougs pop out of the ground around here. The upper foliage
acts as a sail, and the long trunks act long levers. Dougs have zero
tap root, their native soils are very poor, and they have many may
shallow spreading roots to gather nutrients. Push hard enough with wind
in the "sails" at he top, mltiply that effort by the length of the
lever, and pop goes the doug.

What is your's like? I don't know. But I don't think its any worse
than any other doug. If you really want to find out, call in a reall
good arorist -- not just a tree trimmer, but an arborist -- and get
them to drill into roots and get a sample. Be careful though. If you
find its rotted, your ins co may get real sticky about a claim if it
goes down and they find out you knew it was a hazad but didn't remove it.

Me, I'd leave it up until it falls. But I need the family room redone,
again. G

"jJim McLaughlin" wrote in message
. ..
Eigenvector wrote:
Sorry if this is going to the wrong place, but I wasn't able to find a
decent group other than this one.

I have this douglas fir in my backyard, probably 50+ years old, the
people who built the septic system deliberately routed the drain field
around this tree.

The septic system has been in operation for 50 years with no problems so
I suspect the douglas fir is probably older than 50 years and roots
already established, but I can't really tell.

My question is, given the fact that the roots of this tree are probably
always in damp soil, plus provided with lots and lots of organic matter
from the drain field would this tree be a candidate for rotting or would
the tree be one of the strongest and healthiest around the neighborhood?
The city is also threatening to buy our development out and that means
sewer hookup - that douglas fir will no longer be benefitting from my
septic tank.

The only reason why I'm asking is because I'm having a 50+ year old birch
removed that is deader than a doornail and I wondered if I might take
care of this tree before it falls and does some damage. I live in an
area where 60 to 70 mph gusts are not uncommon 2 to 3 times a year.
Frankly that the birch tree is still standing boggles my mind.

I happen to like the douglas fir where it is, it provides a home for the
birdies and squirrels and provides me with some shade in the summer.


Where are you located?

I'm in the West Hills in Portland, OR.

Around here there are lots of second growth Doug fir that are pushing 80 -
120 years old and 70 - 140 feet in height.

In the 30 years I've been in this house, I've had four come down in our
thankfully infrequent but severe when they happen wind storms. Three had
a root rot / fungus that I cant remember the name of but which is common
in doug fir. Gives the roots a yellowish color / cat, and leaves them
mushy. Super saturated soils fro fall rains, heavy wind wih winter
storms, and dougs pop out of the ground around here. The upper foliage
acts as a sail, and the long trunks act long levers. Dougs have zero tap
root, their native soils are very poor, and they have many may shallow
spreading roots to gather nutrients. Push hard enough with wind in the
"sails" at he top, mltiply that effort by the length of the lever, and pop
goes the doug.

What is your's like? I don't know. But I don't think its any worse than
any other doug. If you really want to find out, call in a reall good
arorist -- not just a tree trimmer, but an arborist -- and get them to
drill into roots and get a sample. Be careful though. If you find its
rotted, your ins co may get real sticky about a claim if it goes down and
they find out you knew it was a hazad but didn't remove it.

Me, I'd leave it up until it falls. But I need the family room redone,
again. G

Actually I happen to live in the Seattle area. Thankfully if the winds do
push it over the tree would fall away from my house and into the main high
tension lines feeding the large town east of me. Hey, at least it didn't
hit MY house! Seriously, I don't see any roots on this guy, but given the
proximity of the septic field they may be deeper than normal.

Well thanks for the input, I'll poke around about hiring an arborist. No
sense whacking it needlessly, but then again I don't want to tangle with
downed lines in my backyard.

On 4/29/07 6:03 PM, in article
, "Michael "Dog3"
Lonergan" wrote:

jJim McLaughlin
:

Me, I'd leave it up until it falls. But I need the family room
redone,
again. G

LOL... We have pin oaks in the back yard. I don't know how old they are.
The house was built in '52 and I'm thinking that is when they were put in.
We've had 3 taken down so far. They were dead and I kept worrying about
damage to the house. Although I want a new kitchen I don't think I want it
that badly

Michael
I wouldn't be heartbroken if some windy night a tree takes out my truck....
C

"Eigenvector" wrote in message
. ..
Sorry if this is going to the wrong place, but I wasn't able to find a
decent group other than this one.

I have this douglas fir in my backyard, probably 50+ years old, the
people who built the septic system deliberately routed the drain field
around this tree.

The septic system has been in operation for 50 years with no problems
so I suspect the douglas fir is probably older than 50 years and roots
already established, but I can't really tell.

My question is, given the fact that the roots of this tree are
probably always in damp soil, plus provided with lots and lots of
organic matter from the drain field would this tree be a candidate for
rotting or would the tree be one of the strongest and healthiest
around the neighborhood? The city is also threatening to buy our
development out and that means sewer hookup - that douglas fir will no
longer be benefitting from my septic tank.

Will it then become public (welfare) housing?

The only reason why I'm asking is because I'm having a 50+ year old
birch removed that is deader than a doornail and I wondered if I might
take care of this tree before it falls and does some damage. I live
in an area where 60 to 70 mph gusts are not uncommon 2 to 3 times a
year. Frankly that the birch tree is still standing boggles my mind.

I happen to like the douglas fir where it is, it provides a home for
the birdies and squirrels and provides me with some shade in the
summer.

The Doug fir will be fine, most of its roots are very near the surface.

--
Travis in Shoreline Washington

In article ,
Cheryl Isaak wrote:

On 4/29/07 6:03 PM, in article
, "Michael "Dog3"
Lonergan" wrote:

jJim McLaughlin
:

Me, I'd leave it up until it falls. But I need the family room
redone,
again. G

LOL... We have pin oaks in the back yard. I don't know how old they are.
The house was built in '52 and I'm thinking that is when they were put in.
We've had 3 taken down so far. They were dead and I kept worrying about
damage to the house. Although I want a new kitchen I don't think I want it
that badly

Michael
I wouldn't be heartbroken if some windy night a tree takes out my truck....
C

On the other hand, when a hundred foot redwood comes down, the houses
can look like freshly cut birthday cake.
- Bill
Cloribus gustibus non disputatum (mostly)

"William Rose" wrote in message
...
On the other hand, when a hundred foot redwood comes down, the houses
can look like freshly cut birthday cake.

More like a cake cut with the new Darth Vader light saber wielded by the 4
year old birthday boy.....I've seen both 'house sliced by tree' and 'cake
slaughtered by saber'.......vivid comparative visual; neither is purdy

Val