Speaking of Shigo- he's great- I've got most of his books and I saw him give
a lecture in the Green Mt. Nat. Forest- he cut down a tree and chopped it
up. His work, IMHO, is some of the best stuff ever to come out of academia,
in so far as a contribution to the work of field foresters.

Joe


"Joe" wrote in message news:...
Don, how do you know that Keslick has such a meager education? Many
arborists in Mass. have a BS degree- or at the minimum a 2 year degree
from a reputable arborist school- such as one at U. Mass. Then, they have
to get a state license after taking a test.

I took the basic arborist course at U. Mass.- it was one of the best
courses I took there- we spent all our time walking the huge campus
looking at sick trees.

Joe


"D. Staples" wrote in message
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"Treelady" wrote in message
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I find Symplastless to have a good understanding of trees, theier
biology and appropriate care. To ignore him is to dismiss the
teachings of Alex Shigo- anyone claiming to understand or know about
trees without due regard for Shigo's work is one to be taken with a
pinch of salt.


The point you miss is it is Shigo's work, not Keslicks. A wannabe whose
education is a series of 2 and 3 day short courses. I wonder if he is
even a member of any national society of arborists.

Shigos suggestions for the arboriculture.

1. Establish a strong meaningful code of ethics. Violate it and you are
out. 2. Base certification on the ability to perform at specific high
level. Violate the rules and you are out. 3. Develop levels for
arboriculture based on education and abilities. 5. Establish a
pre-arboriculture core education program that will include some biology,
chemistry, physics, soils, microbiology and other natural system subjects.
6. Develop better textbooks to serve the levels of arboriculture, and core
education programs. 7. Increase the number of teachers capable of
teaching biology, chemistry and physics in arboriculture classes. 8. Have
more outdoor workshops where professors and workers connect, communicate and
touch all parts of trees and soils. 9. Have articles in trade journals
written by people who are not selling products. Reduce the number of
info-materials. 10. Develop workplace education courses for people who are
active, and often very successful, in arboriculture but lack a scientific
background. Many of these people are very intelligent, but they either left
school early or were forced out of science courses were taught. Give them
another chance.
Shigo on DVD

"Joe" wrote in message news:xsXui.4590$jQ3.3411@trndny06...
Speaking of Shigo- he's great- I've got most of his books and I saw him
give a lecture in the Green Mt. Nat. Forest- he cut down a tree and
chopped it up. His work, IMHO, is some of the best stuff ever to come out
of academia, in so far as a contribution to the work of field foresters.

Joe


"Joe" wrote in message news:...
Don, how do you know that Keslick has such a meager education? Many
arborists in Mass. have a BS degree- or at the minimum a 2 year degree
from a reputable arborist school- such as one at U. Mass. Then, they have
to get a state license after taking a test.

I took the basic arborist course at U. Mass.- it was one of the best
courses I took there- we spent all our time walking the huge campus
looking at sick trees.

Joe


"D. Staples" wrote in message
...

"Treelady" wrote in message
oups.com...

I find Symplastless to have a good understanding of trees, theier
biology and appropriate care. To ignore him is to dismiss the
teachings of Alex Shigo- anyone claiming to understand or know about
trees without due regard for Shigo's work is one to be taken with a
pinch of salt.


The point you miss is it is Shigo's work, not Keslicks. A wannabe whose
education is a series of 2 and 3 day short courses. I wonder if he is
even a member of any national society of arborists.

Get a degree. Work in Central park. Then maybe, we can talk.

Have a nice day.

symplastless wrote:
Shigos suggestions for the arboriculture.

1. Establish a strong meaningful code of ethics. Violate it and you are
out. 2. Base certification on the ability to perform at specific high
level. Violate the rules and you are out. 3. Develop levels for
arboriculture based on education and abilities. 5. Establish a
pre-arboriculture core education program that will include some biology,
chemistry, physics, soils, microbiology and other natural system subjects.
6. Develop better textbooks to serve the levels of arboriculture, and core
education programs. 7. Increase the number of teachers capable of
teaching biology, chemistry and physics in arboriculture classes. 8. Have
more outdoor workshops where professors and workers connect, communicate and
touch all parts of trees and soils. 9. Have articles in trade journals
written by people who are not selling products. Reduce the number of
info-materials. 10. Develop workplace education courses for people who are
active, and often very successful, in arboriculture but lack a scientific
background. Many of these people are very intelligent, but they either left
school early or were forced out of science courses were taught. Give them
another chance.
Shigo on DVD

"Joe" wrote in message news:xsXui.4590$jQ3.3411@trndny06...
Speaking of Shigo- he's great- I've got most of his books and I saw him
give a lecture in the Green Mt. Nat. Forest- he cut down a tree and
chopped it up. His work, IMHO, is some of the best stuff ever to come out
of academia, in so far as a contribution to the work of field foresters.

Joe


"Joe" wrote in message news:...
Don, how do you know that Keslick has such a meager education? Many
arborists in Mass. have a BS degree- or at the minimum a 2 year degree
from a reputable arborist school- such as one at U. Mass. Then, they have
to get a state license after taking a test.

I took the basic arborist course at U. Mass.- it was one of the best
courses I took there- we spent all our time walking the huge campus
looking at sick trees.

Joe


"D. Staples" wrote in message
...
"Treelady" wrote in message
oups.com...
I find Symplastless to have a good understanding of trees, theier
biology and appropriate care. To ignore him is to dismiss the
teachings of Alex Shigo- anyone claiming to understand or know about
trees without due regard for Shigo's work is one to be taken with a
pinch of salt.

The point you miss is it is Shigo's work, not Keslicks. A wannabe whose
education is a series of 2 and 3 day short courses. I wonder if he is
even a member of any national society of arborists.

In article ,
Geoff-consulting forester in the US wrote:

Get a degree. Work in Central park. Then maybe, we can talk.

Have a nice day.

Just another arrogant pig. Is this a job requirement? Who would want to
talk to you?
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Billy
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