On Aug 15, 7:50 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
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On Aug 15, 5:08 pm, William Wagner wrote:
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"Val" wrote:
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could I cut
the grass and weeds really short in early Sept., overseed and then
spread a little top soil over the whole business? Would that
process
work to get rid of some of the weeds.

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Bill whose son's like this.

In my neck of the woods we call it the "yabut" syndrome. They ask a
question, they get an answer and then respond with, "yeah,
but......yadda,
yadda, yadda."

*sigh*
Val

My concern is that their family way of making mistakes concerning
nature or gardening is becoming vague and folks need total strangers to
attempt to fill the gap.

21 first century schizoid man which I Identified with 40 years ago
comes to mind. The ability to pass info in a text based device is poor.
We who think we know must offer examples if anyone wants it. My kids
think we have a strange garden but no one has asked how to improve the
soil Yadda yadda.

Got to get dirty and interact with people.

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Bill

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Wow, a lot of snarky comments here. Actually I did think about
getting on hands and knees and seeing how many of the weeds I could
get pulled that way. I'm a little affraid that I'll end up pulling a
lot of grass out too because many of the weeds are vine-like. But I
assume the response to that would be that the grass will spread and
fill any bare spot left where grass was pulled out.
What do you think about my idea about cutting short and overseeding
the weeds and grass in a couple weeks?
Before I seeded I did dig the entire area so I don't believe soil
compaction is a problem.

Not snarky at all. If you are presented with ideas, it's expected that you
will respond to them. You've gotten relatively few responses, so it's not
like it's a monumental task to respond.

Your question about the timing for seeding cannot be answered unless we know
where you live. It's best done in cool weather, unless you are willing to
cover the entire area with burlap, and mist it one or three times a day,
depending on heat, wind, etc.

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I live in Northern Illinois.

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On Aug 15, 7:50 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
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On Aug 15, 5:08 pm, William Wagner wrote:
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"Val" wrote:
"William Wagner" wrote in message
news:-----
could I cut
the grass and weeds really short in early Sept., overseed and
then
spread a little top soil over the whole business? Would that
process
work to get rid of some of the weeds.

Why Worry 4:16 The All-American Rejects The All-American
Rejects
Alternative & Punk

Bill whose son's like this.

In my neck of the woods we call it the "yabut" syndrome. They ask a
question, they get an answer and then respond with, "yeah,
but......yadda,
yadda, yadda."

*sigh*
Val

My concern is that their family way of making mistakes concerning
nature or gardening is becoming vague and folks need total strangers
to
attempt to fill the gap.

21 first century schizoid man which I Identified with 40 years ago
comes to mind. The ability to pass info in a text based device is
poor.
We who think we know must offer examples if anyone wants it. My kids
think we have a strange garden but no one has asked how to improve
the
soil Yadda yadda.

Got to get dirty and interact with people.

21st Century Schizoid Man 7:26 King Crimson Court of the Crimson
King Rock

Bill

--

S Jersey USA Zone 5 Shade

This article is posted under fair use rules in accordance with
Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, and is strictly for the educational
and informative purposes. This material is distributed without
profit.

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Wow, a lot of snarky comments here. Actually I did think about
getting on hands and knees and seeing how many of the weeds I could
get pulled that way. I'm a little affraid that I'll end up pulling a
lot of grass out too because many of the weeds are vine-like. But I
assume the response to that would be that the grass will spread and
fill any bare spot left where grass was pulled out.
What do you think about my idea about cutting short and overseeding
the weeds and grass in a couple weeks?
Before I seeded I did dig the entire area so I don't believe soil
compaction is a problem.

Not snarky at all. If you are presented with ideas, it's expected that
you
will respond to them. You've gotten relatively few responses, so it's not
like it's a monumental task to respond.

Your question about the timing for seeding cannot be answered unless we
know
where you live. It's best done in cool weather, unless you are willing to
cover the entire area with burlap, and mist it one or three times a day,
depending on heat, wind, etc.

Where do you live? City & state, please.- Hide quoted text -

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I live in Northern Illinois.


In that case, you'll hand weed until the middle of September, and then
reseed. As far as compacting the soil, any time you walk on soil that's not
hosting a good root system from one plant or another, you're compacting it.
Work from the middle of the area to the outside. If you must return to the
middle before the grass is really rockin', place a long board across it.

Fall is absolutely the best time for seeding for grass because native
weed seeds wont germinate in fall, but non-native grass will. you can
use weed killers on an established lawn, but not on ground you want to
seed, it really affects germination.
I suggest using a hoe to CUT the weeds off to the ground. Do not pull
as this will expose more weed seeds. then find some finely ground
compost, mulch or marsh hay and put a watering device on a timer water
it every day. the "mulch" will rot and break down and by mid Sept. it
will be ready to seed over the top of the new organic layer. right
before seeding, chop the weeds down again. next spring start early
with a pre-emergent to get rid of weed seeds. later you can use a
weed and feed, if needed, but only squirt the weeds, dont do the whole
lawn. Ingrid

On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 20:52:25 -0000, MVD w
So no one would hit the weeds with some kind of weed killer like weed-
be-gone or something like that? I understand what you're saying about
the grass eventually chocking out the weeds, but right now it looks
like the other way around. That's what worries me.
Another question: If I decide not to use the weed killer, could I cut
the grass and weeds really short in early Sept., overseed and then
spread a little top soil over the whole business? Would that process
work to get rid of some of the weeds.