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When I bought my house there was a 5' x 12' fenced area that was used
for the pervious owner's dog. There was no grass in the area and the
ground was covered with rock. Around the fenced area were large
bushes that I believe were dog woods. I wasn't really happy with this
section of the yard, so I took out the fence, removed most of the dog
woods and got the ground ready for grass.
I knew it was the wrong time of year to plant grass, but I was
impatient so I seeded it anyway. That was July 4. The grass came up
and looked nice, but so did the weeds. I now have a terrible weed
problem that I'm not sure how to solve. I'm thinking of buying some
weed killer to spray over the area but I don't know what would work
best. Any suggestions on a good product for that purpose?

It's a small area. Weed it by hand for now, so it's ready for seeding at
the
proper time. Then, take care of the area BY THE BOOK, perfectly. The
grass
will eventually dominate.

By the way, without knowing what weeds you're dealing with, it's hard to
say
how bad they are. I have lots of purslane in my veg garden, and Ileave it
in
place until I need to use the area. It spreads like a mat, and chokes out
other weeds. It pulls out very easily, and the soil underneath is in
beautiful shape. I recently found out that it's great in salads, and
contains all sorts of vitamins & minerals.

Others are nasty, and I remove them ASAP. Get to know your weeds.

Sound Advice!

Bill who loves wild purslane and has also purchased seed.

Clover, too. It quickly covers areas of my flower garden where I've cleared
weeds, but waited too long to plant something. It pulls out easily the day
after watering or rain, and the soil underneath is like a dream.

I just knew we'd get smarter, eventually.
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So no one would hit the weeds with some kind of weed killer like weed-
be-gone or something like that? I understand what you're saying about
the grass eventually chocking out the weeds, but right now it looks
like the other way around. That's what worries me.
Another question: If I decide not to use the weed killer, could I cut
the grass and weeds really short in early Sept., overseed and then
spread a little top soil over the whole business? Would that process
work to get rid of some of the weeds.

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MVD wrote:

On Aug 15, 3:06 pm, Billy wrote:
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"William Wagner" wrote in message
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:

"MVD" wrote in message
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When I bought my house there was a 5' x 12' fenced area that was
used
for the pervious owner's dog. There was no grass in the area and
the
ground was covered with rock. Around the fenced area were large
bushes that I believe were dog woods. I wasn't really happy with
this
section of the yard, so I took out the fence, removed most of the
dog
woods and got the ground ready for grass.
I knew it was the wrong time of year to plant grass, but I was
impatient so I seeded it anyway. That was July 4. The grass came
up
and looked nice, but so did the weeds. I now have a terrible weed
problem that I'm not sure how to solve. I'm thinking of buying some
weed killer to spray over the area but I don't know what would work
best. Any suggestions on a good product for that purpose?

It's a small area. Weed it by hand for now, so it's ready for seeding
at
the
proper time. Then, take care of the area BY THE BOOK, perfectly. The
grass
will eventually dominate.

By the way, without knowing what weeds you're dealing with, it's hard
to
say
how bad they are. I have lots of purslane in my veg garden, and Ileave
it
in
place until I need to use the area. It spreads like a mat, and chokes
out
other weeds. It pulls out very easily, and the soil underneath is in
beautiful shape. I recently found out that it's great in salads, and
contains all sorts of vitamins & minerals.

Others are nasty, and I remove them ASAP. Get to know your weeds.

Sound Advice!

Bill who loves wild purslane and has also purchased seed.

Clover, too. It quickly covers areas of my flower garden where I've
cleared
weeds, but waited too long to plant something. It pulls out easily the
day
after watering or rain, and the soil underneath is like a dream.

I just knew we'd get smarter, eventually.
--
FB - FFF

Billyhttp://angryarab.blogspot.com/- Hide quoted text -

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So no one would hit the weeds with some kind of weed killer like weed-
be-gone or something like that? I understand what you're saying about
the grass eventually chocking out the weeds, but right now it looks
like the other way around. That's what worries me.
Another question: If I decide not to use the weed killer, could I cut
the grass and weeds really short in early Sept., overseed and then
spread a little top soil over the whole business? Would that process
work to get rid of some of the weeds.

Why Worry 4:16 The All-American Rejects The All-American Rejects
Alternative & Punk

Bill whose son's like this.

--

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"William Wagner" wrote in message news:-----
could I cut
the grass and weeds really short in early Sept., overseed and then
spread a little top soil over the whole business? Would that process
work to get rid of some of the weeds.

Why Worry 4:16 The All-American Rejects The All-American Rejects
Alternative & Punk

Bill whose son's like this.

In my neck of the woods we call it the "yabut" syndrome. They ask a
question, they get an answer and then respond with, "yeah, but......yadda,
yadda, yadda."

*sigh*
Val

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"Val" wrote:

"William Wagner" wrote in message news:-----
could I cut
the grass and weeds really short in early Sept., overseed and then
spread a little top soil over the whole business? Would that process
work to get rid of some of the weeds.

Why Worry 4:16 The All-American Rejects The All-American Rejects
Alternative & Punk

Bill whose son's like this.

In my neck of the woods we call it the "yabut" syndrome. They ask a
question, they get an answer and then respond with, "yeah, but......yadda,
yadda, yadda."

*sigh*
Val

My concern is that their family way of making mistakes concerning
nature or gardening is becoming vague and folks need total strangers to
attempt to fill the gap.

21 first century schizoid man which I Identified with 40 years ago
comes to mind. The ability to pass info in a text based device is poor.
We who think we know must offer examples if anyone wants it. My kids
think we have a strange garden but no one has asked how to improve the
soil Yadda yadda.

Got to get dirty and interact with people.


21st Century Schizoid Man 7:26 King Crimson Court of the Crimson
King Rock

Bill

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On Aug 15, 5:08 pm, William Wagner wrote:
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"Val" wrote:
"William Wagner" wrote in message news:-----
could I cut
the grass and weeds really short in early Sept., overseed and then
spread a little top soil over the whole business? Would that process
work to get rid of some of the weeds.

Why Worry 4:16 The All-American Rejects The All-American Rejects
Alternative & Punk

Bill whose son's like this.

In my neck of the woods we call it the "yabut" syndrome. They ask a
question, they get an answer and then respond with, "yeah, but......yadda,
yadda, yadda."

*sigh*
Val

My concern is that their family way of making mistakes concerning
nature or gardening is becoming vague and folks need total strangers to
attempt to fill the gap.

21 first century schizoid man which I Identified with 40 years ago
comes to mind. The ability to pass info in a text based device is poor.
We who think we know must offer examples if anyone wants it. My kids
think we have a strange garden but no one has asked how to improve the
soil Yadda yadda.

Got to get dirty and interact with people.

21st Century Schizoid Man 7:26 King Crimson Court of the Crimson
King Rock

Bill

--

S Jersey USA Zone 5 Shade

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Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, and is strictly for the educational
and informative purposes. This material is distributed without profit.

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Wow, a lot of snarky comments here. Actually I did think about
getting on hands and knees and seeing how many of the weeds I could
get pulled that way. I'm a little affraid that I'll end up pulling a
lot of grass out too because many of the weeds are vine-like. But I
assume the response to that would be that the grass will spread and
fill any bare spot left where grass was pulled out.
What do you think about my idea about cutting short and overseeding
the weeds and grass in a couple weeks?
Before I seeded I did dig the entire area so I don't believe soil
compaction is a problem.

"MVD" wrote in message
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On Aug 15, 5:08 pm, William Wagner wrote:
In article ,





"Val" wrote:
"William Wagner" wrote in message
news:-----
could I cut
the grass and weeds really short in early Sept., overseed and then
spread a little top soil over the whole business? Would that
process
work to get rid of some of the weeds.

Why Worry 4:16 The All-American Rejects The All-American Rejects
Alternative & Punk

Bill whose son's like this.

In my neck of the woods we call it the "yabut" syndrome. They ask a
question, they get an answer and then respond with, "yeah,
but......yadda,
yadda, yadda."

*sigh*
Val

My concern is that their family way of making mistakes concerning
nature or gardening is becoming vague and folks need total strangers to
attempt to fill the gap.

21 first century schizoid man which I Identified with 40 years ago
comes to mind. The ability to pass info in a text based device is poor.
We who think we know must offer examples if anyone wants it. My kids
think we have a strange garden but no one has asked how to improve the
soil Yadda yadda.

Got to get dirty and interact with people.

21st Century Schizoid Man 7:26 King Crimson Court of the Crimson
King Rock

Bill

--

S Jersey USA Zone 5 Shade

This article is posted under fair use rules in accordance with
Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, and is strictly for the educational
and informative purposes. This material is distributed without profit.

http://www.ocutech.com/ High tech Vison aid- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Wow, a lot of snarky comments here. Actually I did think about
getting on hands and knees and seeing how many of the weeds I could
get pulled that way. I'm a little affraid that I'll end up pulling a
lot of grass out too because many of the weeds are vine-like. But I
assume the response to that would be that the grass will spread and
fill any bare spot left where grass was pulled out.
What do you think about my idea about cutting short and overseeding
the weeds and grass in a couple weeks?
Before I seeded I did dig the entire area so I don't believe soil
compaction is a problem.


Not snarky at all. If you are presented with ideas, it's expected that you
will respond to them. You've gotten relatively few responses, so it's not
like it's a monumental task to respond.

Your question about the timing for seeding cannot be answered unless we know
where you live. It's best done in cool weather, unless you are willing to
cover the entire area with burlap, and mist it one or three times a day,
depending on heat, wind, etc.

Where do you live? City & state, please.

On Aug 15, 7:50 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"MVD" wrote in message

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On Aug 15, 5:08 pm, William Wagner wrote:
In article ,

"Val" wrote:
"William Wagner" wrote in message
news:-----
could I cut
the grass and weeds really short in early Sept., overseed and then
spread a little top soil over the whole business? Would that
process
work to get rid of some of the weeds.

Why Worry 4:16 The All-American Rejects The All-American Rejects
Alternative & Punk

Bill whose son's like this.

In my neck of the woods we call it the "yabut" syndrome. They ask a
question, they get an answer and then respond with, "yeah,
but......yadda,
yadda, yadda."

*sigh*
Val

My concern is that their family way of making mistakes concerning
nature or gardening is becoming vague and folks need total strangers to
attempt to fill the gap.

21 first century schizoid man which I Identified with 40 years ago
comes to mind. The ability to pass info in a text based device is poor.
We who think we know must offer examples if anyone wants it. My kids
think we have a strange garden but no one has asked how to improve the
soil Yadda yadda.

Got to get dirty and interact with people.

21st Century Schizoid Man 7:26 King Crimson Court of the Crimson
King Rock

Bill

--

S Jersey USA Zone 5 Shade

This article is posted under fair use rules in accordance with
Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, and is strictly for the educational
and informative purposes. This material is distributed without profit.

http://www.ocutech.com/High tech Vison aid- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Wow, a lot of snarky comments here. Actually I did think about
getting on hands and knees and seeing how many of the weeds I could
get pulled that way. I'm a little affraid that I'll end up pulling a
lot of grass out too because many of the weeds are vine-like. But I
assume the response to that would be that the grass will spread and
fill any bare spot left where grass was pulled out.
What do you think about my idea about cutting short and overseeding
the weeds and grass in a couple weeks?
Before I seeded I did dig the entire area so I don't believe soil
compaction is a problem.

Not snarky at all. If you are presented with ideas, it's expected that you
will respond to them. You've gotten relatively few responses, so it's not
like it's a monumental task to respond.

Your question about the timing for seeding cannot be answered unless we know
where you live. It's best done in cool weather, unless you are willing to
cover the entire area with burlap, and mist it one or three times a day,
depending on heat, wind, etc.

Where do you live? City & state, please.- Hide quoted text -

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I live in Northern Illinois.

"MVD" wrote in message
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On Aug 15, 3:06 pm, Billy wrote:
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"William Wagner" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:

"MVD" wrote in message
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When I bought my house there was a 5' x 12' fenced area that was
used
for the pervious owner's dog. There was no grass in the area and
the
ground was covered with rock. Around the fenced area were large
bushes that I believe were dog woods. I wasn't really happy with
this
section of the yard, so I took out the fence, removed most of the
dog
woods and got the ground ready for grass.
I knew it was the wrong time of year to plant grass, but I was
impatient so I seeded it anyway. That was July 4. The grass came
up
and looked nice, but so did the weeds. I now have a terrible weed
problem that I'm not sure how to solve. I'm thinking of buying
some
weed killer to spray over the area but I don't know what would
work
best. Any suggestions on a good product for that purpose?

It's a small area. Weed it by hand for now, so it's ready for
seeding at
the
proper time. Then, take care of the area BY THE BOOK, perfectly. The
grass
will eventually dominate.

By the way, without knowing what weeds you're dealing with, it's
hard to
say
how bad they are. I have lots of purslane in my veg garden, and
Ileave it
in
place until I need to use the area. It spreads like a mat, and
chokes out
other weeds. It pulls out very easily, and the soil underneath is in
beautiful shape. I recently found out that it's great in salads, and
contains all sorts of vitamins & minerals.

Others are nasty, and I remove them ASAP. Get to know your weeds.

Sound Advice!

Bill who loves wild purslane and has also purchased seed.

Clover, too. It quickly covers areas of my flower garden where I've
cleared
weeds, but waited too long to plant something. It pulls out easily the
day
after watering or rain, and the soil underneath is like a dream.

I just knew we'd get smarter, eventually.
--
FB - FFF

Billyhttp://angryarab.blogspot.com/- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

So no one would hit the weeds with some kind of weed killer like weed-
be-gone or something like that? I understand what you're saying about
the grass eventually chocking out the weeds, but right now it looks
like the other way around. That's what worries me.
Another question: If I decide not to use the weed killer, could I cut
the grass and weeds really short in early Sept., overseed and then
spread a little top soil over the whole business? Would that process
work to get rid of some of the weeds.



Before you get any more answers, tell me what you thought about getting down
on your knees and hand weeding your VERY SMALL AREA. You didn't respond to
that idea earlier.

Also, tell me what kinds of hand weeding tools you now own.

Fall is absolutely the best time for seeding for grass because native
weed seeds wont germinate in fall, but non-native grass will. you can
use weed killers on an established lawn, but not on ground you want to
seed, it really affects germination.
I suggest using a hoe to CUT the weeds off to the ground. Do not pull
as this will expose more weed seeds. then find some finely ground
compost, mulch or marsh hay and put a watering device on a timer water
it every day. the "mulch" will rot and break down and by mid Sept. it
will be ready to seed over the top of the new organic layer. right
before seeding, chop the weeds down again. next spring start early
with a pre-emergent to get rid of weed seeds. later you can use a
weed and feed, if needed, but only squirt the weeds, dont do the whole
lawn. Ingrid

On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 20:52:25 -0000, MVD w
So no one would hit the weeds with some kind of weed killer like weed-
be-gone or something like that? I understand what you're saying about
the grass eventually chocking out the weeds, but right now it looks
like the other way around. That's what worries me.
Another question: If I decide not to use the weed killer, could I cut
the grass and weeds really short in early Sept., overseed and then
spread a little top soil over the whole business? Would that process
work to get rid of some of the weeds.