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February 13, 2008

In Defense of Food: Author, Journalist Michael Pollan on Nutrition, Food
Science and the American Diet

Acclaimed author and journalist Michael Pollan argues that what most
Americans are consuming today is not food but ³edible food-like
substances.² His previous book, The Omnivore¹s Dilemma: A Natural
History of Four Meals, was named one of the ten best books of 2006 by
the New York Times and the Washington Post. His latest book, just
published, is called In Defense of Food: An Eater¹s Manifesto.
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February 13, 2008

In Defense of Food: Author, Journalist Michael Pollan on Nutrition, Food
Science and the American Diet

Acclaimed author and journalist Michael Pollan argues that what most
Americans are consuming today is not food but ³edible food-like
substances.²

What is a food like substance? Its either food or it is not.

Carbohydrates, sugars are basic food. What is a edible food-like substance?


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February 13, 2008

In Defense of Food: Author, Journalist Michael Pollan on
Nutrition, Food Science and the American Diet

Acclaimed author and journalist Michael Pollan argues that
what most Americans are consuming today is not food but
³edible food-like substances.² His previous book, The
Omnivore¹s Dilemma: A Natural History of Four Meals, was
named one of the ten best books of 2006 by the New York
Times and the Washington Post. His latest book, just
published, is called In Defense of Food: An Eater¹s
Manifesto.

i dunno... i'd argue with the edible part. "food-like"
certainly covers most prepackaged stuff though.
i wonder though, do the people who *should* read these books
actually read them, or are the readers those who already know
that American prepackaged food is crap read them & just feel
smug? is he reaching the proper audience, or just preaching to
the choir?
lee
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enigma expounded:

i dunno... i'd argue with the edible part. "food-like"
certainly covers most prepackaged stuff though.
i wonder though, do the people who *should* read these books
actually read them, or are the readers those who already know
that American prepackaged food is crap read them & just feel
smug? is he reaching the proper audience, or just preaching to
the choir?

The Omnivore's Dilemma is well worth reading, there's nothing smug
about it at all - and as reaches more people than the target audience
it will spread the necessary message - the public needs to understand
that all that 'nutritional information' published by so many sources
is really just advertisements for industrial food, and Michael Pollan
delivers that message eloquently. It's easy to read, entertaining,
well-written.
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February 13, 2008

In Defense of Food: Author, Journalist Michael Pollan on
Nutrition, Food Science and the American Diet

Acclaimed author and journalist Michael Pollan argues that
what most Americans are consuming today is not food but
³edible food-like substances.² His previous book, The
Omnivore¹s Dilemma: A Natural History of Four Meals, was
named one of the ten best books of 2006 by the New York
Times and the Washington Post. His latest book, just
published, is called In Defense of Food: An Eater¹s
Manifesto.

i dunno... i'd argue with the edible part. "food-like"
certainly covers most prepackaged stuff though.
i wonder though, do the people who *should* read these books
actually read them, or are the readers those who already know
that American prepackaged food is crap read them & just feel
smug? is he reaching the proper audience, or just preaching to
the choir?
lee

Like the man said,"The proof is in the pudding." If your not willing to
try it, I guess you'll never know and, just have to go on wondering.
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Hi, Reply at the end.

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February 13, 2008

In Defense of Food: Author, Journalist Michael Pollan on Nutrition, Food
Science and the American Diet

Acclaimed author and journalist Michael Pollan argues that what most
Americans are consuming today is not food but ³edible food-like
substances.²

What is a food like substance? Its either food or it is not.

Carbohydrates, sugars are basic food. What is a edible food-like
substance?

In a word Crap. That allso goes for the U. K.

Richard M. watkin.

Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Forester & Tree Expert
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding
us that we are not the boss.

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, "Billy"
wrote:

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enigma wrote:

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February 13, 2008

In Defense of Food: Author, Journalist Michael Pollan on
Nutrition, Food Science and the American Diet

Acclaimed author and journalist Michael Pollan argues that
what most Americans are consuming today is not food but
³edible food-like substances.² His previous book, The
Omnivore¹s Dilemma: A Natural History of Four Meals, was
named one of the ten best books of 2006 by the New York
Times and the Washington Post. His latest book, just
published, is called In Defense of Food: An Eater¹s
Manifesto.

i dunno... i'd argue with the edible part. "food-like"
certainly covers most prepackaged stuff though.
i wonder though, do the people who *should* read these books
actually read them, or are the readers those who already know
that American prepackaged food is crap read them & just feel
smug? is he reaching the proper audience, or just preaching to
the choir?
lee

Like the man said,"The proof is in the pudding." If your not willing to
try it, I guess you'll never know and, just have to go on wondering.

I've read him (and others in his general vein) in the past. I suspect I'll
nab Omnivore one of these days, but right now, I do my best to feed my
family well and that's all I can do.

C

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On 2/14/08 9:36 AM, in article
, "Billy"
wrote:

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enigma wrote:

Billy wrote in

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February 13, 2008

In Defense of Food: Author, Journalist Michael Pollan on
Nutrition, Food Science and the American Diet

Acclaimed author and journalist Michael Pollan argues that
what most Americans are consuming today is not food but
³edible food-like substances.² His previous book, The
Omnivore¹s Dilemma: A Natural History of Four Meals, was
named one of the ten best books of 2006 by the New York
Times and the Washington Post. His latest book, just
published, is called In Defense of Food: An Eater¹s
Manifesto.

i dunno... i'd argue with the edible part. "food-like"
certainly covers most prepackaged stuff though.
i wonder though, do the people who *should* read these books
actually read them, or are the readers those who already know
that American prepackaged food is crap read them & just feel
smug? is he reaching the proper audience, or just preaching to
the choir?
lee

Like the man said,"The proof is in the pudding." If your not willing to
try it, I guess you'll never know and, just have to go on wondering.

I've read him (and others in his general vein) in the past. I suspect I'll
nab Omnivore one of these days, but right now, I do my best to feed my
family well and that's all I can do.

C

Hey, that's the best any of us can do but best is also a function of
knowledge. The "Omivore's Dilemma" is not a book from a general vein of
books. "Ommivore's Dilemma" is the new gold standard. Before I read
"Omnivore's Dilemma", I didn't know that insects attacked vegetable
leaves because that is where the nitrogen from "chem ferts" is stored. I
didn't know about phto-nutrients. I didn't realize that we eat more corn
per capita than Mexicans. I didn't understand that impoverished farmers
and poorly fed citizens could track the cause back to Cargill and ADM. I
didn't know the that omega-3 fatty acids in animals were a function of
them eating grasses. I wasn't aware that we could all be eating well, if
the government only put its' price supports behind healthy foods.

Without the knowledge to choose, your just rolling the dice with your
food choices.

The interview with Michael Pollan takes about 32 minutes. Do you have 32
minutes to give to your family's health?
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Like the man said,"The proof is in the pudding." If your
not willing to try it, I guess you'll never know and, just
have to go on wondering.

huh? did you not read what i wrote? i do not like preprocessed
food. i do most of my cooking/baking from scratch & with whole
grain flours. those are the flavors i enjoy.
what i'm asking is if these books are getting to the people
who don't know what real food is, or if it's only people who
already reject the plastic food that read them.
lee
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It wasn't there again today
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what i'm asking is if these books are getting to the people
who don't know what real food is, or if it's only people who
already reject the plastic food that read them.
lee


The people who are eating faux food are either too ignorant to even know
there's a problem or just too stupid to care. These books are pretty much
read by those who want to confirm ("I knew that and he agrees with me!")
what they already know and perhaps add some smidgeon of information or just
leave it on the coffee table for visitors to see while they hide the Cheetos
in the back closet. The people who would actually glean any new life
changing knowledge from this book are a nano percent of those who buy the
book. JMO

Val

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February 13, 2008

In Defense of Food: Author, Journalist Michael Pollan on Nutrition, Food
Science and the American Diet

Acclaimed author and journalist Michael Pollan argues that what most
Americans are consuming today is not food but ³edible food-like
substances.²

What is a food like substance? Its either food or it is not.

Carbohydrates, sugars are basic food. What is a edible food-like substance?


Tel us what trees we can eat

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The people who are eating faux food are either too ignorant to even know
there's a problem or just too stupid to care.

Val

Perhaps too poor to do otherwise.

Quality comes to mind and what that is is the issue.

Bill

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"enigma" wrote in message
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what i'm asking is if these books are getting to the
people who don't know what real food is, or if it's only
people who already reject the plastic food that read them.
lee


The people who are eating faux food are either too
ignorant to even know
there's a problem or just too stupid to care. These books
are pretty much read by those who want to confirm ("I knew
that and he agrees with me!") what they already know and
perhaps add some smidgeon of information or just leave it
on the coffee table for visitors to see while they hide the
Cheetos in the back closet. The people who would actually
glean any new life changing knowledge from this book are a
nano percent of those who buy the book. JMO

so, as i suspect, he's just preaching to the choir.
lee
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It wasn't there again today
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February 13, 2008

In Defense of Food: Author, Journalist Michael Pollan on
Nutrition, Food Science and the American Diet

Acclaimed author and journalist Michael Pollan argues
that what most Americans are consuming today is not food
but ³edible food-like substances.²

What is a food like substance? Its either food or it is
not.

Carbohydrates, sugars are basic food. What is a edible
food-like substance?

Tel us what trees we can eat

maple, black birch, hickory, walnut, hazel, chestnut, apple,
pear, plum, peach, citrus...

lee you knew someone would be a smartass
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enigma wrote:

Billy wrote in

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Like the man said,"The proof is in the pudding." If your
not willing to try it, I guess you'll never know and, just
have to go on wondering.

huh? did you not read what i wrote? i do not like preprocessed
food. i do most of my cooking/baking from scratch & with whole
grain flours. those are the flavors i enjoy.
what i'm asking is if these books are getting to the people
who don't know what real food is, or if it's only people who
already reject the plastic food that read them.
lee

Who do you think "should" read "these types" of books (just another same
ol'). What is the "proper audience"? If you can't be bothered, don't
read the book. If you know all that is known about nutrition, then you
don't need to read the book. But Pollan has brought the message of why
industrial foods are bad to the 21st century. The forging of the diverse
food movements into a single low carbon, healthy, slow food movement
seems to have been precipitated by "Omnivore's Dilemma". What do feed
lots have to do with cardio-vascular disease, when there are cultures
that eat more meat than our's and don't suffer the same consequences?
What does high fructose corn syrup have to do with obesity and type II
diabetes? What are all those strange ingredients listed on the back of a
cookie package? Is organic worth the extra price? Why are small
mono-culture farmers having such a rough time surviving?

As Bill Wagner has pointed out, we now have a two tiered food system
(industrial and industrial-organic). What is the difference? Obviously,
Pollan mainly reaches the literate among us: people who read books.
Knowing that the supermarket is filled with life threatening products
(crap as you say) does not make me feel "smug" or, is that your way of
feeling superior? If you wanted to explain to someone why processed food
is bad, could you?

You will pleased to know that Pollan says in his most recent book,"Don't
eat anything that your great grand mother wouldn't have recognized as
food". He also suggests eating from the edges of the store, where the
meat, cheese, and the produce is.

If your not curious what the fuss is about or, if you just don't care,
don't read the book. I mean, if you know where all the furniture in the
room is, why turn on the light?

The Omnivore¹s Dilemma: A Natural History of Four Meals, was named one
of the ten best books of 2006 by the New York Times and the Washington
Post. (yawn . . .)
--

Billy

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