In article , "Dioclese" NONE
wrote:

Appreciate your input. I've done alot of homework regarding the anaerobic
bacteria that produce such gas, their typical habitats, and so forth. There
are pockets of water that are referred to as wells that have suitable
habitat for these bacteria, just as a peat bottomed pond does. These reside
there whether a well is drilled or not.

A one-way check valve at the bib can serve the same purpose you speak of.
Even though it wasn't designed for that in mind.

Nevertheless, the hydrogen sulfide gas originates from the well since day 1
it was tapped.

There are many considerations for "shocking" a well. That includes my
neighbors that may sharing the same water who may pump bleach, and drink it.
I presume you are referring to chlorine being added to the well water.
This is done by most water districts to avoid people becoming sick from
drinking water with enteric (caca) bacteria in it. Locally, wells
connected to household water are checked for bacteria and those that are
high are shut down.
I prefer to deal with it as it is for my purposes without treatment for
irrigation.

The aerator in my filtration system forces air into the water while in a
storage bottle. This changes into sulfuric acid and sinks to the bottom of
the bottle.

??? Hydrogen sulfide can turn into an extremely weak acid.
H2S --- HS- + H+
Ka = 1.3Å~10-7 mol/L; pKa = 6.89.

Sulfuric (or sulfurous) acid, if it was present, would stay in solution
(homogeneously).

Every 24 hours, its mixed with incoming water and flushed to a
french drain automatically. The live oaks in the vicinity, and St.
Augustine grass above the french drain don't seem to mind it. The way I
look at it the acidity of the watered down sulfuric acid and the alkalinity
of the limestone rock and caliche native to the local area are doing
something good in the mix.
--
Dave

My vote in this primary was for the lesser
of many evils...
wrote in message
. com...
hydrogen sulfide is created by bacteria. in water it goes into solution
as H2SO4,
sulfuric acid. of course, in a well both H2S and CO2 are under pressure
and when
they are pumped out they de-gas. In the burbs outside Milwaukee well
water can get
contaminated by the bacteria if there isnt a valve on the outside hoses to
prevent
back flushing of soil (with bacteria) into the tank and then into the
well. or, if
the well casing starts to break down letting soil into the well. IIRC the
bacteria
feed off the iron in the water releasing the H2S.

2 Fe + 3 S + 3 H2O --- Fe2O3 + 3 (H2S)?

H2S often results from the bacterial break down of organic matter in the
absence of oxygen, such as in swamps and sewers (anaerobic digestion).

Anyway. the wells
often need to
be cleaned by dumping bleach down in there and then flushed to get rid of
the
bacteria. there is probably more H2S in the bottom of a typical pond than
in well
water. soaker hoses dont stand up long to well water unless there are
very good
filters on them. personal experience. Ingrid

On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 07:27:57 -0600, "Dioclese" NONE wrote:
Similar question here. How about hydrogen sulfide gas from well water.
Its
filtered out before entering home plumbing. Hose bibs are connected to
the
same home plumbing.

Normally, I use the 2 standalone faucets outside for irrigation. These
have
no filtration whatsoever. Any special notes on soaker hoses for this
situation?
--

Billy

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In article , Charlie wrote:

On Tue, 4 Mar 2008 23:13:52 -0600, "Dioclese" NONE wrote:

Dave

My vote in this primary was for the lesser
of many evils...

"But evil is still evil
In anybody's name"
~~ Don Henley "If Dirt Were Dollars"

Nice to have you back Professor:-)
--

Billy

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In article , Charlie wrote:

On Wed, 05 Mar 2008 08:30:40 -0800, Billy wrote:

In article , Charlie wrote:

On Tue, 4 Mar 2008 23:13:52 -0600, "Dioclese" NONE wrote:

Dave

My vote in this primary was for the lesser
of many evils...

"But evil is still evil
In anybody's name"
~~ Don Henley "If Dirt Were Dollars"

Nice to have you back Professor:-)

Here now, Mr. Billy! You shouldn't be a temptin' this here old
pig-ignorant autodidactic
Huh? Who's this Otto Dididatik feller anyway and why is he so
ignorant?
to return to his former estate. During my
winter sabbatical, I purposed to return, if indeed I *did* return, a
more gentle and tolerant Charlie.
Charlie, I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty
is no vice and that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.

Why you lookin' at me like that?

All that banging on pots left me
sorely afflicted with tinnitis.....or was that the atenolol....hmmm.

Afraid you'll have to speak up boy. Ears ain't so good. What'd ya say?


*sigh*.....life is difficult, isn't it?

Oh, it's a little after four. Got plenty of time.

Charlie

And the next round of lisinopril and prunella is on me, kid. I'm taking
your mom's advice on the potted flowers and I've ordered some of the
trailing kind. I want to thank everybody who made suggestions, even
Frank, the knuckle head (Next time he sees an American flag, he'd better
look close to see if a geezer is carrying it.), but fuchsias would get
too much sun in my garden area. I was piqued by Om's suggestion of
growing peanuts, the idea never occurred to me before. Which is
fortunate. According to Wikipedia, the best of the lot for flavor are
"runners" peanuts. Spanish peanuts seem to be susceptible to a host of
ailments and Virginia peanuts are just BIG. I found one supplier of
Spanish peanuts and three of Virginia peanuts. Zip for runners.

Where is that prunella tea? I can feel the systolic creepin' up on me.
Maybe the good denizens of "wrecked gardens", can help me on this one.
I'm lookin' for "runners" peanuts.

Damn, I never wanted to get into the pot bangin' business but as you
mature, sometimes your common sense gets out in front of your good
sense, and you find yourself sayin' things that are likely to cause you
great bodily harm. Defecation of character is too good for Bush, Cheney,
et al. He should pay a greater price for miscon-screwing of the
constitution.

Where the hell is my pot? I try not to leave home without it. Evita was
on the tube last night, sorta got me into the mood, don'cha know.

Anyway, it's good to have you back boy. Bill was struggling to keep me
literate an all, but I think it may be a two man job. I'm looking
forward to being awash again in metaphors, similes, and poetic leaps of
imagery.

What ever become of our girl Rachael? Last I heard the south Sandhill
region of N.C. was drier than a popcorn fart. Can I say that? Anyway, if
you talk to her say, hi. News from North Carolina has a hard time making
it out to the west coast.

Well, I'd better get on with makin' dinner. After a couple of night of
stuffing myself from the barbecue, I think I'd best have a nice green
salad tonight and maybe an over priced artichokes to see if that will
make the peristalsis happy.

See ya' in the funny papers.
--

Billy

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yeah... the Milwaukee area has some hellatious calcium/magnesium in the water... of
course that is why NE there are all those limestone quarries!!!!

the amount of softening that must be done to our water results in not very tasty
water, I agree. I used to like the taste of hard water until the iron bacteria got
into the well.

If you had long hair you would fall in love with it. We had a softener all my life
but when I left home and lived elsewhere with hard water I couldnt believe how
"gummy" my hair felt all the time. When I came back home my hair went back to
feeling clean and soft. Now lake water comes out of the tap and it is pretty soft.

What bothers me most about the Milwaukee area well water is the radon levels. and
nobody is talking about the fact that heating the water does not blow off the radon
and long hot showers breathing that in cant be very good for anyone.

On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 23:50:34 -0600, "Ryan P."
wrote:
My girlfriend's condo complex is all softened water, and I hate
showering there. Of course, Germantown has some terrible ground water
with a high iron/sulfer content, so the softener might not be completely
to blame...

That chemical reaction is no where in my message.

H2S is a byproduct of anaerobic digestion of organic material, and goes into water as
hydrogen sulfide. "hydrogen sulfide is weakly acidic, dissociating in aqueous
solution into hydrogen cations H+ and the hydrosulfide anion HS-: H2S ? HS- + H+ Ka
= 1.3×10-7 mol/L; pKa = 6.89"

"In the management of water-supply wells, iron bacteria are bacteria that derive the
energy they need to live and multiply by oxidizing dissolved ferrous iron (or the
less frequently available manganese and aluminium). .....The proliferation of iron
bacteria, in some way, increases the chance of sulfur bacteria infestation.

Common effects of excess iron in water are a reddish-brown color, stained laundry and
poor tasting coffee. An equally common but less well understood problem is
infestation of water supplies with iron bacteria. Iron bacteria are a natural part of
the environment in most parts of the world. These microorganisms combine dissolved
iron or manganese with oxygen and use it to form rust-colored deposits. In the
process, the bacteria produce a brown slime that builds up on well screens, pipes,
and plumbing fixtures.

Tastes and Odors - Iron bacteria often produce unpleasant tastes and odors commonly
reported as: "swampy," "oily or petroleum," "cucumber," "sewage," "rotten
vegetation," or "musty." The taste or odor may be more noticeable after the water has
not been used for some time. Iron bacteria do not produce hydrogen sulfide, the
"rotten egg" smell, but do create an environment where sulfur bacteria can grow and
produce hydrogen sulfide."

"The purple sulfur bacteria are a group of Proteobacteria capable of photosynthesis,
collectively referred to as purple bacteria. They are anaerobic or microaerophilic,
and are often found in hot springs or stagnant water. Unlike plants , algae, and
cyanobacteria, they do not use water as their reducing agent, and so do not produce
oxygen. Instead they use hydrogen sulfide, which is oxidized to produce granules of
elemental sulfur. This in turn may be oxidized to form sulfuric acid." These
bacteria are often sold to people to reduce the sludge in ponds and sewage systems.

CO2 goes into water to make H2CO3, carbonic acid.

Under pressure both are in solution like in a well. When pumped out of the well and
pressure is released, the gases come out of solution.

The simple test for both is pump out a 5 gallon bucket of water, take a pH test.
aerate and after 24 hours test pH again. If the pH rises then the gases have come
out of solution. If it is H2S, that can be smelled in very small amounts.

See, just cant spontaneously combine chemical reactions. Ingrid

On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 21:20:15 -0800, Billy wrote:
H2S + 2CO2 - H2SO4 + C2 doesn't make any sense. Makes all other
statements questionable.

Yes, it is a two step process.

On Tue, 04 Mar 2008 05:35:08 GMT, Charles wrote:
The H2S in the well most likely comes from sulfate reducing bacteria
acting on sulfates that are already in the water.

Billy, stop being abusive.

The only fixture I've noticed red tint is in the toilet bowl if I let it go
without cleaning long enough. A ring a the surface level in the toilet
about a 1/2" wide. None on the sediment filter bowl, or, the carbon filter
in place for 3 months at a time.

Yet, the obvious level of hydrogen sulfide gas at the well is very high due
to its odor level. The level of gas not only varies with lack of water
usage, but also, with locally heavy rains.

--
Dave

My vote in this primary was for the lesser
of many evils...
wrote in message
. com...
That chemical reaction is no where in my message.

H2S is a byproduct of anaerobic digestion of organic material, and goes
into water as
hydrogen sulfide. "hydrogen sulfide is weakly acidic, dissociating in
aqueous
solution into hydrogen cations H+ and the hydrosulfide anion HS-: H2S ?
HS- + H+ Ka
= 1.3×10-7 mol/L; pKa = 6.89"

"In the management of water-supply wells, iron bacteria are bacteria that
derive the
energy they need to live and multiply by oxidizing dissolved ferrous iron
(or the
less frequently available manganese and aluminium). .....The proliferation
of iron
bacteria, in some way, increases the chance of sulfur bacteria
infestation.

Common effects of excess iron in water are a reddish-brown color, stained
laundry and
poor tasting coffee. An equally common but less well understood problem is
infestation of water supplies with iron bacteria. Iron bacteria are a
natural part of
the environment in most parts of the world. These microorganisms combine
dissolved
iron or manganese with oxygen and use it to form rust-colored deposits. In
the
process, the bacteria produce a brown slime that builds up on well
screens, pipes,
and plumbing fixtures.

Tastes and Odors - Iron bacteria often produce unpleasant tastes and odors
commonly
reported as: "swampy," "oily or petroleum," "cucumber," "sewage," "rotten
vegetation," or "musty." The taste or odor may be more noticeable after
the water has
not been used for some time. Iron bacteria do not produce hydrogen
sulfide, the
"rotten egg" smell, but do create an environment where sulfur bacteria can
grow and
produce hydrogen sulfide."

"The purple sulfur bacteria are a group of Proteobacteria capable of
photosynthesis,
collectively referred to as purple bacteria. They are anaerobic or
microaerophilic,
and are often found in hot springs or stagnant water. Unlike plants ,
algae, and
cyanobacteria, they do not use water as their reducing agent, and so do
not produce
oxygen. Instead they use hydrogen sulfide, which is oxidized to produce
granules of
elemental sulfur. This in turn may be oxidized to form sulfuric acid."
These
bacteria are often sold to people to reduce the sludge in ponds and sewage
systems.

CO2 goes into water to make H2CO3, carbonic acid.

Under pressure both are in solution like in a well. When pumped out of
the well and
pressure is released, the gases come out of solution.

The simple test for both is pump out a 5 gallon bucket of water, take a pH
test.
aerate and after 24 hours test pH again. If the pH rises then the gases
have come
out of solution. If it is H2S, that can be smelled in very small amounts.

See, just cant spontaneously combine chemical reactions. Ingrid

On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 21:20:15 -0800, Billy wrote:
H2S + 2CO2 - H2SO4 + C2 doesn't make any sense. Makes all other
statements questionable.

In article ,
wrote:

Billy, stop being abusive.

Abusive? Moi?

Anyway, somewhere way back in time, I vaguely remember that we were
talking about H2S (sulfide) and then some (supply your own pejorative
here) introduced SO2 (sulfite) into the conversation. By the way, under
anarobic conditions sulfer will be reduced to sulfide.

Secondly, I don't tell you how to post, so back off.

Now you can continue on with the flavor of the day, RADON?.
--

Billy

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