Actually, I'm not even sure if they are weeds or not. I don't know
much about horticulture. I tried a few web sites to try to id them
myself, but couldn't even answer most of the questions (ex,
http://weedid.aces.uiuc.edu/).

You can view the pics at: http://www.jokabomo.com/weeds/

Also, if they are weeds, how to I get rid of them? They seem to be
centrally located only on one part of my property. I assume good old
fashioned yanking up by the roots will work. They seem to be
strangling some wild raspberry plants and would like to try to save
the berry plants.

Thanks in advance.
John

Johnny wrote in

ups.com:

Actually, I'm not even sure if they are weeds or not. I
don't know much about horticulture. I tried a few web sites
to try to id them myself, but couldn't even answer most of
the questions (ex, http://weedid.aces.uiuc.edu/).

You can view the pics at: http://www.jokabomo.com/weeds/

weed A is a variety of goldenrod. pulling it works for
eradication if you don't want it there.
weed B is a tulip tree.. not a weed in most cases, but if you
don't want it, cut it down. it'll come back from the roots a
couple times, just keep cutting the sprouts.
weed C is grapes. again, keep cutting it back & it'll
eventually die.
are you sure that's a wild raspberry?
lee
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I pinged a host that wasn't there
It wasn't there again today
The host resolved to NSA.

Weed "B" is a tulip tree: Liriodendron tulipifera

Weed "C" is probably Vitis coignetiae.

sorry - can't do Weed "A"

On Jun 23, 3:56 pm, enigma wrote:

weed A is a variety of goldenrod. pulling it works for
eradication if you don't want it there.
weed B is a tulip tree.. not a weed in most cases, but if you
don't want it, cut it down. it'll come back from the roots a
couple times, just keep cutting the sprouts.
weed C is grapes. again, keep cutting it back & it'll
eventually die.
are you sure that's a wild raspberry?

First, thanks for the excellent reply! I have a few more questions.

So, those are grapes? Excellent! Can we eat them?
If I let the sapling go, it will grow into a tree?
Those are some type of berries. We picked them and ate them last year.
My neighbor said they were raspberries. However, I went out again and
noticed another plant that has different leaves but what looks like
raspberries already in bloom (right term?) - see the updated web page.
So now I'm not sure what we have.
Lastly, I found another "plant" - guess I can't tell a weed from a
plant - that I posted some pics of for ID.

I was mostly interested in ID'ing these plants to know what to
eliminate. But I guess I should keep them all. Would it be beneficial
to keep all these plants? The "fruit" plants all seem to be growing on
the part of my property that gets the most sun - the rest is heavily
forested - so I don't think they will be invasive.

Thanks again!
John

Johnny wrote in

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So, those are grapes? Excellent! Can we eat them?

of course, but i can't guarantee they'll be very good.
depending on where you are, they would be different varieties.
for example, i'm in New England, so wild grapes here are
generally Concords, good for jelly. in NY they might be
Concords or they might be fox grapes, which are tiny & sour (i
like them better than Concords). down South, you get wild
Muscat grapes.

If I let the sapling go, it will grow into a tree?

the tulip tree? yes, they are really a very pretty tree. i
wish i had at least one. however, they can get really large,
over 200', so make sure it has some room.

Those are some type of berries. We picked them and ate them
last year. My neighbor said they were raspberries. However,
I went out again and noticed another plant that has
different leaves but what looks like raspberries already in
bloom (right term?) - see the updated web page. So now I'm
not sure what we have. Lastly, I found another "plant" -
guess I can't tell a weed from a plant - that I posted some
pics of for ID.

ok, the first berries *are* a wild type of raspberry. they
have pink flowers, don't they? i did have a couple of them but
we cut down a willow & i think it got too boggy for them.
they're gone now anyway. they're as good as domestic
raspberries & mine had berries rather late in the season,
after the domestic ones were finished.
berry B is a trailing variety of blackberry, i think. is it
growing on those canes or on the vines? i can't tell from the
photo. either way, they're pretty good if you can get them
before the birds do.
your weed D looks like what we call 'dewberries', another
type of trailing blackberry. they're mostly annoying since
they rarely have berries & the vines trip you.

if you're lucky you'll find some black raspberries along your
wooded area as well.

I was mostly interested in ID'ing these plants to know what
to eliminate. But I guess I should keep them all. Would it
be beneficial to keep all these plants? The "fruit" plants
all seem to be growing on the part of my property that gets
the most sun - the rest is heavily forested - so I don't
think they will be invasive.

i keep a good stand of goldenrod. it's *not* a cause of
hayfever (it's pollen is too heavy), but since it blooms at
the same time as ragweed, which doesn't have showy flowers, it
gets blamed. goldenrod is an important butterfly plant.

lee
--
Last night while sitting in my chair
I pinged a host that wasn't there
It wasn't there again today
The host resolved to NSA.

In article ,
enigma wrote:

Johnny wrote in

ups.com:

So, those are grapes? Excellent! Can we eat them?

of course, but i can't guarantee they'll be very good.
depending on where you are, they would be different varieties.
for example, i'm in New England, so wild grapes here are
generally Concords, good for jelly. in NY they might be
Concords or they might be fox grapes, which are tiny & sour (i
like them better than Concords). down South, you get wild
Muscat grapes.

Check that. Muscadine grapes, sorry, muscat, with their honeysuckle
flavor, are a vitis venifera.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitis_rotundifolia


If I let the sapling go, it will grow into a tree?

the tulip tree? yes, they are really a very pretty tree. i
wish i had at least one. however, they can get really large,
over 200', so make sure it has some room.

Those are some type of berries. We picked them and ate them
last year. My neighbor said they were raspberries. However,
I went out again and noticed another plant that has
different leaves but what looks like raspberries already in
bloom (right term?) - see the updated web page. So now I'm
not sure what we have. Lastly, I found another "plant" -
guess I can't tell a weed from a plant - that I posted some
pics of for ID.

ok, the first berries *are* a wild type of raspberry. they
have pink flowers, don't they? i did have a couple of them but
we cut down a willow & i think it got too boggy for them.
they're gone now anyway. they're as good as domestic
raspberries & mine had berries rather late in the season,
after the domestic ones were finished.
berry B is a trailing variety of blackberry, i think. is it
growing on those canes or on the vines? i can't tell from the
photo. either way, they're pretty good if you can get them
before the birds do.
your weed D looks like what we call 'dewberries', another
type of trailing blackberry. they're mostly annoying since
they rarely have berries & the vines trip you.

if you're lucky you'll find some black raspberries along your
wooded area as well.

I was mostly interested in ID'ing these plants to know what
to eliminate. But I guess I should keep them all. Would it
be beneficial to keep all these plants? The "fruit" plants
all seem to be growing on the part of my property that gets
the most sun - the rest is heavily forested - so I don't
think they will be invasive.

i keep a good stand of goldenrod. it's *not* a cause of
hayfever (it's pollen is too heavy), but since it blooms at
the same time as ragweed, which doesn't have showy flowers, it
gets blamed. goldenrod is an important butterfly plant.

lee
--

Billy
Bush and Pelosi Behind Bars
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0aEo...eature=related

Billy wrote in

ct.net.au:

In article ,
enigma wrote:

Johnny wrote in

gro ups.com:

So, those are grapes? Excellent! Can we eat them?

of course, but i can't guarantee they'll be very good.
depending on where you are, they would be different
varieties. for example, i'm in New England, so wild grapes
here are generally Concords, good for jelly. in NY they
might be Concords or they might be fox grapes, which are
tiny & sour (i like them better than Concords). down
South, you get wild Muscat grapes.

Check that. Muscadine grapes, sorry, muscat, with their
honeysuckle flavor, are a vitis venifera.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitis_rotundifolia

thanks Billy. i'm not a southern girl. muscadines are also
used for jelly aren't they?
i was noticing how the hops & the wild grapes along the front
stone wall are so intertwined yesterday... the grapes are
blooming now, the hops bloom in late July.
lee
--
Last night while sitting in my chair
I pinged a host that wasn't there
It wasn't there again today
The host resolved to NSA.

On Jun 23, 1:44*pm, Johnny wrote:
Actually, I'm not even sure if they are weeds or not. I don't know
much about horticulture. I tried a few web sites to try to id them
myself, but couldn't even answer most of the questions (ex,http://weedid.aces.uiuc.edu/).

You can view the pics at:http://www.jokabomo.com/weeds/

Also, if they are weeds, how to I get rid of them? They seem to be
centrally located only on one part of my property. I assume good old
fashioned yanking up by the roots will work. They seem to be
strangling some wild raspberry plants *and would like to try to save
the berry plants.

Thanks in advance.
John

small contribution, regarding your berries: if the berry part is a
kind of hollow shell around a conical inedible part, that's a
raspberry. if it's like a raspberry with those little spheres but the
edible part is solid instead of a hollow shell, it's a blackberry.

In article ,
enigma wrote:

Billy wrote in

ct.net.au:

In article ,
enigma wrote:

Johnny wrote in

gro ups.com:

So, those are grapes? Excellent! Can we eat them?

of course, but i can't guarantee they'll be very good.
depending on where you are, they would be different
varieties. for example, i'm in New England, so wild grapes
here are generally Concords, good for jelly. in NY they
might be Concords or they might be fox grapes, which are
tiny & sour (i like them better than Concords). down
South, you get wild Muscat grapes.

Check that. Muscadine grapes, sorry, muscat, with their
honeysuckle flavor, are a vitis venifera.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitis_rotundifolia

thanks Billy. i'm not a southern girl. muscadines are also
used for jelly aren't they?
i was noticing how the hops & the wild grapes along the front
stone wall are so intertwined yesterday... the grapes are
blooming now, the hops bloom in late July.
lee
As far as I know, all grapes are edible. Their sweetness atones for any
dissonance of flavor. Adding a little pectin can't hurt. It's only when
the sugar is fermented out of them, that esthetics come into play.

This used to be hops country, after it was prune country, before it
became apple country, and today wine country. Did you plant the hops or
are they volunteers and do you have a gigantic trellis for them to climb?

The grapes are flowering here as well but since they don't have petals,
one needs to invade their privacy to notice them;o)

The solstice is behind us. The days are beginning to shorten again (at
least here in the northern hemisphere). The next three months are as
good as it gets. The days are animated by the activity at the bird bath
and the feeder, the flitting of butterflies, and the reassuring drone of
the bees. Dinners are al fresco and soon a cricket's chorus will be added
to the sound of the wind chimes. Plants that I've never had the pleasure
of knowing, are appearing among others that are, by now, old friends.
Now with the hard work behind us, we can commune together. Like all
relationships, you never know how it will all work out. You can only try
to make it work and hope for the best.

I can hardly wait to see again the the dent corn in it's glory, or the
unlikely looking Zucchetta Rampicante, or the delicate trailing petunias
dangling from their lofty nests, or taste the bergamot tea, or the fresh
tomatoes, or (the holy grail) sweet corn. It feels like a Disney cartoon
with so many little friends under foot.

With so much of the world in stress, under water, or burning up, at
least here, a little soil is healthy, the bees and the butterflies can
ply their trade, and hopefully there is a little more diversity. I only
hope that I can do it well enough to encourage the next resident of this
land to continue the dream.
--

Billy
Bush and Pelosi Behind Bars
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0aEo...eature=related

On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 08:48:14 -0700 (PDT), z
wrote:

On Jun 23, 1:44*pm, Johnny wrote:
Actually, I'm not even sure if they are weeds or not. I don't know
much about horticulture. I tried a few web sites to try to id them
myself, but couldn't even answer most of the questions (ex,http://weedid.aces.uiuc.edu/).

You can view the pics at:http://www.jokabomo.com/weeds/

Also, if they are weeds, how to I get rid of them? They seem to be
centrally located only on one part of my property. I assume good old
fashioned yanking up by the roots will work. They seem to be
strangling some wild raspberry plants *and would like to try to save
the berry plants.

Thanks in advance.
John

small contribution, regarding your berries: if the berry part is a
kind of hollow shell around a conical inedible part, that's a
raspberry. if it's like a raspberry with those little spheres but the
edible part is solid instead of a hollow shell, it's a blackberry.


More likely a wineberry...

http://www.delawarewildflowers.org/1732.html
http://www.nps.gov/plants/alien/fact/ruph1.htm

Boron

In article ,
Boron Elgar wrote:

On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 08:48:14 -0700 (PDT), z
wrote:

On Jun 23, 1:44*pm, Johnny wrote:
Actually, I'm not even sure if they are weeds or not. I don't know
much about horticulture. I tried a few web sites to try to id them
myself, but couldn't even answer most of the questions
(ex,http://weedid.aces.uiuc.edu/).

You can view the pics at: http://www.jokabomo.com/weeds/

Last one the berry may be a black raspberry. Edible but if the plant
touches the ground it layers real Real easy.

Hard to get rid of !

Bill

--
Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA

Billy wrote in

ct.net.au:

This used to be hops country, after it was prune country,
before it became apple country, and today wine country. Did
you plant the hops or are they volunteers and do you have a
gigantic trellis for them to climb?

the hops in the front are "wild" hops, & i don't know if they
are native hops or leftovers from when this area has a lot of
hops farms (with bines imported from England & the
Netherlands). in any case, i don't know the variety... i put
up tripods of 7' bamboo poles & run strings for some of the
wild hops, & i have bines running up over the mailbox.
we also have cultivated hops, 9 different varieties right now
to see which grow best here & those are all trellised.
add the 6 varieties of pumpkin, 21 varieties of tomatoes,
peas, pole beans, beets, chard, cabbage, 3 colors of
cauliflower, watermelon... that 50' x 100' garden really isn't
big enough.

lee
--
Last night while sitting in my chair
I pinged a host that wasn't there
It wasn't there again today
The host resolved to NSA.

In article ,
enigma wrote:

Billy wrote in

ct.net.au:

This used to be hops country, after it was prune country,
before it became apple country, and today wine country. Did
you plant the hops or are they volunteers and do you have a
gigantic trellis for them to climb?

the hops in the front are "wild" hops, & i don't know if they
are native hops or leftovers from when this area has a lot of
hops farms (with bines imported from England & the
Netherlands). in any case, i don't know the variety... i put
up tripods of 7' bamboo poles & run strings for some of the
wild hops, & i have bines running up over the mailbox.
we also have cultivated hops, 9 different varieties right now
to see which grow best here & those are all trellised.
add the 6 varieties of pumpkin, 21 varieties of tomatoes,
peas, pole beans, beets, chard, cabbage, 3 colors of
cauliflower, watermelon... that 50' x 100' garden really isn't
big enough.

lee

When you tinker, you really tinker, don't you;o)
--

Billy
Bush and Pelosi Behind Bars
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0aEo...eature=related

Billy wrote in

ct.net.au:

When you tinker, you really tinker, don't you;o)

i had 49 varieties of tomatoes last year.... but only 3
pumpkins.
i have my own crossbred pumpkin that i keep seeds from each
year. the original parents were a Cotton Candy & a Rouge
d'Etampes. it's a not quite white with orange flesh, and a
really good keeper. i have 2 still in the basement from last
fall that are in great shape (no soft spots or anything yet).
i'm still working on stabilizing it. i had one last year that
had white pumpkins on one vine & dayglo yellow on another. i
have never seen such visible pumpkins... apparently tasty too.
the woodchuck got those.
hmm, maybe i should breed for those glowing yellow ones.
lee
--
Last night while sitting in my chair
I pinged a host that wasn't there
It wasn't there again today
The host resolved to NSA.

In article ,
enigma wrote:

Billy wrote in

ct.net.au:

When you tinker, you really tinker, don't you;o)

i had 49 varieties of tomatoes last year.... but only 3
pumpkins.
i have my own crossbred pumpkin that i keep seeds from each
year. the original parents were a Cotton Candy & a Rouge
d'Etampes. it's a not quite white with orange flesh, and a
really good keeper. i have 2 still in the basement from last
fall that are in great shape (no soft spots or anything yet).
i'm still working on stabilizing it. i had one last year that
had white pumpkins on one vine & dayglo yellow on another. i
have never seen such visible pumpkins... apparently tasty too.
the woodchuck got those.
hmm, maybe i should breed for those glowing yellow ones.
lee

How do you use them? I can only eat so many clove and cinnamon delivery
devices.
--

Billy
Bush and Pelosi Behind Bars
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0aEo...eature=related