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03-08-2008, 03:36 PM
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Bending, twisting, pushing and pulling all exercises. I donıt know about you but when I am about in the garden an I identify a task I do it without any warm-ups aside from a cup of coffee. These days I just sort of break up large tasks and switch off to others or just sit and look about for a hummer till I got to move. Iıve been known to do this over several days due to dew point or just other tasks that afford quicker gratification. In another post the mention of Melanoma came it. I believe that this long term aka childhood exposure to sun is of import. Iıve got a grapefruit size scar on my back which caused me to look into the sun issue. I take 4000 IU of vitamin D BTW. Anyway this YOUTUBE dealing with DNA which I posted in the past is interesting. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOkWG85ReT4 Donıt fear the reaper comes to musical mind. Bill -- Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA |
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03-08-2008, 05:00 PM
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, Bill wrote: Bending, twisting, pushing and pulling all exercises. I donıt know about you but when I am about in the garden an I identify a task I do it without any warm-ups aside from a cup of coffee. These days I just sort of break up large tasks and switch off to others or just sit and look about for a hummer till I got to move. Iıve been known to do this over several days due to dew point or just other tasks that afford quicker gratification. In another post the mention of Melanoma came it. I believe that this long term aka childhood exposure to sun is of import. Iıve got a grapefruit size scar on my back which caused me to look into the sun issue. I take 4000 IU of vitamin D BTW. Bill Another garden health issue is tetanus, which lives in most garden soils. As we get older'n'older we become increasingly susceptible to tetanus. One-third of tetanus cases are from gardening injuries. Stay updated with tetanus shots (stay updated with ten-year boosters); try to wear gloves for most gardening duties; and habitually clean injuries with antibacterial soap. -paghat the ratgirl -- visit my temperate gardening website: http://www.paghat.com visit my film reviews website: http://www.weirdwildrealm.com |
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04-08-2008, 12:09 PM
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paghat said:
Another garden health issue is tetanus, which lives in most garden soils. As we get older'n'older we become increasingly susceptible to tetanus. One-third of tetanus cases are from gardening injuries. Stay updated with tetanus shots (stay updated with ten-year boosters); try to wear gloves for most gardening duties; and habitually clean injuries with antibacterial soap. Having very recently had a trip to the emergency room for a nasty gardening-related wound to one of my fingers... The emergency room doctor recommended a fresh tetanus shot as my last had been more than five years ago and I most definitely had what he would call a dirty puncture (actually, two of them). And my regular doctor recommends every seven years for 'high risk' patients, and my gardening (especially as I often neglect to use gloves) puts me at higher than average risk of exposure. Apparently, even people who've kept up to date (every ten years) have gotten tetanus. (Though it seems that tetanus is not quite as deadly as reputation has it.) -- Pat in Plymouth MI ('someplace.net' is comcast) After enlightenment, the laundry. |
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04-08-2008, 05:00 PM
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Kiewicz wrote: paghat said: Another garden health issue is tetanus, which lives in most garden soils. As we get older'n'older we become increasingly susceptible to tetanus. One-third of tetanus cases are from gardening injuries. Stay updated with tetanus shots (stay updated with ten-year boosters); try to wear gloves for most gardening duties; and habitually clean injuries with antibacterial soap. Having very recently had a trip to the emergency room for a nasty gardening-related wound to one of my fingers... The emergency room doctor recommended a fresh tetanus shot as my last had been more than five years ago and I most definitely had what he would call a dirty puncture (actually, two of them). And my regular doctor recommends every seven years for 'high risk' patients, and my gardening (especially as I often neglect to use gloves) puts me at higher than average risk of exposure. Apparently, even people who've kept up to date (every ten years) have gotten tetanus. (Though it seems that tetanus is not quite as deadly as reputation has it.) The deadly reputation is deserved in developing countries, where it kills about a million people every year. In the USA it kills only about five a year. But now and then there's an unexpected pocket of fatalities. On Vancouver island alone this year so far, there have been three tetanus deaths. But of course one doesn't have to be dead to be awfully sorry about the serious neurological damage due to the periodic imunogobin boosters having not been kept up with. It's only "not quite as deadly as reputation has it" in developed countries because of preventative measures are standard. -paghat the ratgirl -- visit my temperate gardening website: http://www.paghat.com visit my film reviews website: http://www.weirdwildrealm.com |
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04-08-2008, 08:39 PM
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05-08-2008, 12:07 PM
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The township sprays chlorine on the roads every year to prevent such things. I think that is why they spray the roads. It's got nothing to do with making the road safer in the event of 'road rash.' They probably use calcium chloride to stabilize the road surface and cut down on dust. That's what my township did to my road (before it was paved). But the main motivation might be that it allows them to justify less frequent road gradings. And maybe skip out on the rolling and surface replenishment. The calcium chloride sucks water out of the air to keep the road surface moist. (It's the active ingredient in Damp Rid.) -- Pat in Plymouth MI ('someplace.net' is comcast) After enlightenment, the laundry. |
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05-08-2008, 02:00 PM
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On Aug 4, 7:09 am, Pat Kiewicz wrote:
paghat said: Another garden health issue is tetanus, which lives in most garden soils. As we get older'n'older we become increasingly susceptible to tetanus. One-third of tetanus cases are from gardening injuries. Stay updated with tetanus shots (stay updated with ten-year boosters); try to wear gloves for most gardening duties; and habitually clean injuries with antibacterial soap. I would interrupt here to say that while it's a good idea to wash gardening injuries with antibacterial soap, it is NOT a good idea to use it indiscriminately (and I know you didn't say that). This is a case where more is definitely not better. Bacteria develop resistance to triclosan (the ingredient in almost all antibacterial soaps) very rapidly. (My lab found bugs growing ON the stuff after just three exposures). Save it for when your skin is actually broken. Chris snip |
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05-08-2008, 06:48 PM
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, Chris wrote: On Aug 4, 7:09 am, Pat Kiewicz wrote: paghat said: Another garden health issue is tetanus, which lives in most garden soils. As we get older'n'older we become increasingly susceptible to tetanus. One-third of tetanus cases are from gardening injuries. Stay updated with tetanus shots (stay updated with ten-year boosters); try to wear gloves for most gardening duties; and habitually clean injuries with antibacterial soap. I would interrupt here to say that while it's a good idea to wash gardening injuries with antibacterial soap, it is NOT a good idea to use it indiscriminately (and I know you didn't say that). This is a case where more is definitely not better. Bacteria develop resistance to triclosan (the ingredient in almost all antibacterial soaps) very rapidly. (My lab found bugs growing ON the stuff after just three exposures). Some bacterias almost feed on the stuff, or at least have an ability to pump triclosan out of their cells, so it would never harm them ever. Such bacterias are few in genus but those few can be bad ones, especially Staph. But if you work in a lab that has shown triclosan to be more broadly useless against bacteria, that's something that should be reframed as a measurable study, peer-reviewed, and published, as it would contradict a vast amount of good data, which wouldn't be the first time good data was wrong or incomplete. Save it for when your skin is actually broken. Chris snip Regular soap would be perfectly all right for the job if people tended to wash for a full minute or so at each spot, but nobody does. Also even antibacterial soap won't really do much if tetanus is driven deep into the skin by a thorn or whatnot, and the real protection will always be the preventive measures, vis, tetanus vaccination. I have a "squirt bottle" of antibacterial soap that I rarely use except when I've gotten scratches from the garden, or had cause to handle the dog's poo. I otherwise use an array of fancy-ass "hand crafted" scented soaps made with olive oil or other non-animal-product bases. One lame study "proved" antibacterial soap in household use did not cut down on the incident or severity of the common cold, and it's often cited as even lamer proof that it serves no value whatsoever. Virtually all the "anti-triclosan" literature on the web is generated by politicos who don't care at all about the science (which alas is insufficient to draw any conclusive information). For example, the Grinning Planet web page (as random example) that insists triclosan does not cut down on household germs in the next paragraph blast the product because children raised in a germ-free environment have poor immune systems. Many such pages insist even that Triclosan is an antibiotic causing germ resistance to all other antibiotics. It's not an antibiotic, and there's no valid science to suggest it has any negative influence on antibiotic effectiveness. When Dr. Levy posited the POSSIBILITY of bacteria developing triclosan resistance, he said this would be EQUIVALENT to antibiotic resistance. It gets transmuted by revisionists who just want it to be scarier. A good body of peer-reviewed science does exist on this matter and to date it all shows that triclosan has no impact on antibiotic viability. It is nevertheless a reasonable speculation that some future nasty germ will have separate resistance to antibiotics and to antisceptics, which definitely wouldn't be cool. An additional scare tactic is to suggest triclosan causes cancer. Studies show it to be carcinogenic to animals if it first combines with chlorine producing carcinogenitic chloroform, and if it is then injested. There is a small amount of chloroform gas in virtually all municiple water, not regarded as hazardous, though if it's worrisome, guarding against soap wouldn't be the defense. Drinking only flavorless distilled water would be the defense. I'm all for checking out the worst case scenarios for things as the vendors will always provide the least honest information. But when activists mix the improbable with the impossible with a few actual facts, not very useful. Your advice "save it for when your skin is actually broken" is useful. Some realistic considerations without hysteric additions would include: 1) We're exposed to way too many chemicals every hour of every day with no idea of how they combine or what the total load can do, so limiting chemical exposures isn't apt to be a bad idea. 2) Small amounts won't harm septic tank drainage fields but overuse has at least that possibilitly. 3) Triclosan is in so many bathroom products that it's hard to know when one is using it, which is at least annoying. It can even be in toothpastes (it's in Crest and Sensodyne) which makes some of the extremists' warnings closer to valid since injestion becomes likely, with resultant hormone distruption and other potential hazards from eating it. If one is willing to wash vigorously with ordinary soap for a much greater length of time than is natural for most people, then ordinary pure soap is good enough. I know that I'm always in a rush so I do keep the antibacterial squirt-bottle handy for when exposed to poo or scratched in the garden or playing with rats who no matter how friendly are always marking everything with pee. Maybe in the future I'll jettison the stuff as I have with so many ordinary products with all sorts of dubious chemicals in them, but to date it hasn't sent up alarms for me. -paghat the ratgirl -- visit my temperate gardening website: http://www.paghat.com visit my film reviews website: http://www.weirdwildrealm.com |
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05-08-2008, 08:13 PM
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On Aug 5, 1:48 pm, (paghat) wrote:
In article , Chris wrote: On Aug 4, 7:09 am, Pat Kiewicz wrote: paghat said: Another garden health issue is tetanus, which lives in most garden soils. As we get older'n'older we become increasingly susceptible to tetanus. One-third of tetanus cases are from gardening injuries. Stay updated with tetanus shots (stay updated with ten-year boosters); try to wear gloves for most gardening duties; and habitually clean injuries with antibacterial soap. I would interrupt here to say that while it's a good idea to wash gardening injuries with antibacterial soap, it is NOT a good idea to use it indiscriminately (and I know you didn't say that). This is a case where more is definitely not better. Bacteria develop resistance to triclosan (the ingredient in almost all antibacterial soaps) very rapidly. (My lab found bugs growing ON the stuff after just three exposures). Some bacterias almost feed on the stuff, or at least have an ability to pump triclosan out of their cells, so it would never harm them ever. Such bacterias are few in genus but those few can be bad ones, especially Staph. But if you work in a lab that has shown triclosan to be more broadly useless against bacteria, that's something that should be reframed as a measurable study, peer-reviewed, and published, as it would contradict a vast amount of good data, which wouldn't be the first time good data was wrong or incomplete. Save it for when your skin is actually broken. Chris snip Regular soap would be perfectly all right for the job if people tended to wash for a full minute or so at each spot, but nobody does. Also even antibacterial soap won't really do much if tetanus is driven deep into the skin by a thorn or whatnot, and the real protection will always be the preventive measures, vis, tetanus vaccination. I have a "squirt bottle" of antibacterial soap that I rarely use except when I've gotten scratches from the garden, or had cause to handle the dog's poo. I otherwise use an array of fancy-ass "hand crafted" scented soaps made with olive oil or other non-animal-product bases. One lame study "proved" antibacterial soap in household use did not cut down on the incident or severity of the common cold, and it's often cited as even lamer proof that it serves no value whatsoever. Virtually all the "anti-triclosan" literature on the web is generated by politicos who don't care at all about the science (which alas is insufficient to draw any conclusive information). For example, the Grinning Planet web page (as random example) that insists triclosan does not cut down on household germs in the next paragraph blast the product because children raised in a germ-free environment have poor immune systems. Many such pages insist even that Triclosan is an antibiotic causing germ resistance to all other antibiotics. It's not an antibiotic, and there's no valid science to suggest it has any negative influence on antibiotic effectiveness. When Dr. Levy posited the POSSIBILITY of bacteria developing triclosan resistance, he said this would be EQUIVALENT to antibiotic resistance. It gets transmuted by revisionists who just want it to be scarier. A good body of peer-reviewed science does exist on this matter and to date it all shows that triclosan has no impact on antibiotic viability. It is nevertheless a reasonable speculation that some future nasty germ will have separate resistance to antibiotics and to antisceptics, which definitely wouldn't be cool. Levy's lab at Tufts is really one of the leaders in the study of triclosan resistance. I was unaware that some people had conflated tricloasan resistance to antibiotic resistance- that's just silly. They have completely different modes of action (although there have been some papers- good ones- that link antiseptic resistance to antibiotic resistance, it seems rare, thank goodness). However, when triclosan was first becoming popular in household products, the claim was made that it inhibited such a wide variety of metabolic steps that resistance was highly unlikely to appear, at least anytime soon. Levy's lab showed this was false; triclosan disrupts a particular step in fatty acid metabolism, and that's pretty much it. The danger isn't that widespread use of triclosan will foster antibiotic resistance, it's that it's easy for many bacteria to evolve resistance to triclosan itself, rendering it useless for situations in which it is really needed. No one needs to wash with antibacterial soap every time the enter a toilet. To my certain knowledge, these bugs develop resistance to triclosan in short order: E. coli, Bacillus subtilis, B. cereus, B. megaterium, Staphylococcus aureus, S. epidermae, Micrococcus luteus. Only a couple of those are disease causing organisms, but that's quite a spread there. It at least implies that a lot of critters can develop resistance pretty quickly. Chris An additional scare tactic is to suggest triclosan causes cancer. Studies show it to be carcinogenic to animals if it first combines with chlorine producing carcinogenitic chloroform, and if it is then injested. There is a small amount of chloroform gas in virtually all municiple water, not regarded as hazardous, though if it's worrisome, guarding against soap wouldn't be the defense. Drinking only flavorless distilled water would be the defense. I'm all for checking out the worst case scenarios for things as the vendors will always provide the least honest information. But when activists mix the improbable with the impossible with a few actual facts, not very useful. Your advice "save it for when your skin is actually broken" is useful. Some realistic considerations without hysteric additions would include: 1) We're exposed to way too many chemicals every hour of every day with no idea of how they combine or what the total load can do, so limiting chemical exposures isn't apt to be a bad idea. 2) Small amounts won't harm septic tank drainage fields but overuse has at least that possibilitly. 3) Triclosan is in so many bathroom products that it's hard to know when one is using it, which is at least annoying. It can even be in toothpastes (it's in Crest and Sensodyne) which makes some of the extremists' warnings closer to valid since injestion becomes likely, with resultant hormone distruption and other potential hazards from eating it. If one is willing to wash vigorously with ordinary soap for a much greater length of time than is natural for most people, then ordinary pure soap is good enough. I know that I'm always in a rush so I do keep the antibacterial squirt-bottle handy for when exposed to poo or scratched in the garden or playing with rats who no matter how friendly are always marking everything with pee. Maybe in the future I'll jettison the stuff as I have with so many ordinary products with all sorts of dubious chemicals in them, but to date it hasn't sent up alarms for me. -paghat the ratgirl -- visit my temperate gardening website:http://www.paghat.com visit my film reviews website:http://www.weirdwildrealm.com |
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06-08-2008, 04:06 AM
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Pat Kiewicz wrote: Dan L. said: The township sprays chlorine on the roads every year to prevent such things. I think that is why they spray the roads. It's got nothing to do with making the road safer in the event of 'road rash.' They probably use calcium chloride to stabilize the road surface and cut down on dust. That's what my township did to my road (before it was paved). But the main motivation might be that it allows them to justify less frequent road gradings. And maybe skip out on the rolling and surface replenishment. The calcium chloride sucks water out of the air to keep the road surface moist. (It's the active ingredient in Damp Rid.) Thanks, I wasn't sure. You must be correct. I remember now the truck was labeled in big letters "chloride" instead of "chlorine". After all when did the government care about the people. Enjoy Life ... Dan -- Garden in Zone 5 South East Michigan. |
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