Hi,

Its been over 6 months since i posted about my pine mulch problem so I
thought I'd share whats happened since I used the mulch.

Backdrop: I have a dozen conifer pine trees - had them pruned back and
mulched the residue. There was a fair bit of the mulch and I couldn't just
store it in one
location in my garden.

The amount could be roughly about 10 - 20 large compost bins full. And i
only have 2.

So what I did was I stored what I could in my 2 bins. Stored what I could in
the backyard. Then I spread it
around in my garden as best as I could.

The mulch seem to turn into something more useful if its placed into open
piles and turned around every month or so.

The ones in the compost bin looked like they turned kind of sour like -
probably due to a lack of water. I travel a fair bit sometimes and don't get
enough time to do necessary stuff in the garden. So I emptied it out - and
after a very short while - it smelt better - that humus pleasant earthly
kind of smell.

The other stuff which I spread around the garden also seemed to turn up
quite nicely too. No plants died but I was careful not to spread it too
thickly. In the areas where i did spread it thickly, the yellow daisy
marguirites loved it. The earthworms thrived!!

Now comes the second stage - where I have to take the pine mulch in the
storage areas to the rest of the garden. Great time to do it too - as I'm
getting a fair bit of weeds/ grass runners in the flower beds.

ymc



"YMC" wrote in message news:...
"Luke" blah@blah wrote in message
...
I think it's more a case where the pine mulch will make the soil more
acidic, whereas a rose prefers a fairly neutral soil around PH 6.5.
Probably composting it is the better idea as I hate seeing mulch go to
waste.

Thanks for that. I think the old guy just wanted to discourage me and take
the mulch away. His quote didn't involve leaving the mulch behind (because
he claimed it was useless).

Another tree cutter suggested putting the mulch onto one section of the
garden which was hidden and let it sit for 4 weeks or so. I've got him to
do the job as he was more helpful and friendly.

I'll probably keep the bulk of the mulch in that section of the garden for
3 - 12 months or so and put a bit of blood and bone and seaweed mix to
hurry up the rotting process.

Thanks all for the advice.

MULCH

Mulching -
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/M/mulch.html

Two good articles written by Dr. Shigo with respect to mulch.

Improper Fertilization (See A Touch of Chemistry)
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/shigo/CHEM.html

Troubles in the Rhizosphere
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/shigo/RHIZO.html

Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Tree Biologist
www.treedictionary.com
and
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
Watch out for so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, tornado's, volcanic eruptions and other
abiotic forces keep reminding humans that they are not the boss.

"YMC" wrote in message
u...
Hi,

Its been over 6 months since i posted about my pine mulch problem so I
thought I'd share whats happened since I used the mulch.

Backdrop: I have a dozen conifer pine trees - had them pruned back and
mulched the residue. There was a fair bit of the mulch and I couldn't just
store it in one
location in my garden.

The amount could be roughly about 10 - 20 large compost bins full. And i
only have 2.

So what I did was I stored what I could in my 2 bins. Stored what I could
in the backyard. Then I spread it
around in my garden as best as I could.

The mulch seem to turn into something more useful if its placed into open
piles and turned around every month or so.

The ones in the compost bin looked like they turned kind of sour like -
probably due to a lack of water. I travel a fair bit sometimes and don't
get
enough time to do necessary stuff in the garden. So I emptied it out - and
after a very short while - it smelt better - that humus pleasant earthly
kind of smell.

The other stuff which I spread around the garden also seemed to turn up
quite nicely too. No plants died but I was careful not to spread it too
thickly. In the areas where i did spread it thickly, the yellow daisy
marguirites loved it. The earthworms thrived!!

Now comes the second stage - where I have to take the pine mulch in the
storage areas to the rest of the garden. Great time to do it too - as I'm
getting a fair bit of weeds/ grass runners in the flower beds.

ymc



"YMC" wrote in message news:...
"Luke" blah@blah wrote in message
...
I think it's more a case where the pine mulch will make the soil more
acidic, whereas a rose prefers a fairly neutral soil around PH 6.5.
Probably composting it is the better idea as I hate seeing mulch go to
waste.

Thanks for that. I think the old guy just wanted to discourage me and
take
the mulch away. His quote didn't involve leaving the mulch behind
(because
he claimed it was useless).

Another tree cutter suggested putting the mulch onto one section of the
garden which was hidden and let it sit for 4 weeks or so. I've got him to
do the job as he was more helpful and friendly.

I'll probably keep the bulk of the mulch in that section of the garden
for
3 - 12 months or so and put a bit of blood and bone and seaweed mix to
hurry up the rotting process.

Thanks all for the advice.

"symplastless" wrote in message
...
MULCH

Ignore this fool

"D. Staples" wrote in message
...

"symplastless" wrote in message
...
MULCH

Ignore this fool
Don Staples - Consulting Salvage Hog
http://www.livingston.net/dstaples/Services/salvage.htm

In reality Don Staples claims to be a "consulting forester" while he refuses
to define specifically what that is at his website at:
http://www.livingston.net/dstaples/forestry/staples.htm

PLEASE DEFINE WHAT YOU ARE. "CONSULTING FORESTER" YOUR LINK IS DEAD.
@ http://www.livingston.net/dstaples/forestry/staples.htm


Ok, then, Don Staples. Please provide data specific to Texas that states
that your salvage and restoration work increases the health of a forest
rather
than what I state, that your practice is deforestation. Please
provide the page and paragraph number where your data can be found stating
that you increase forest health by your salvage and restoration work. You
claim I am a fraud while all along you promote deforestation claiming sound
treatment for landowners investment. You claim to be a consulting forester.
Please consult and provide the data for your practice.


--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Tree Biologist
www.treedictionary.com
and
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
Watch out for so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, tornado's, volcanic eruptions and other
abiotic forces keep reminding humans that they are not the boss.

symplastless wrote:
"D. Staples" wrote in message
...
"symplastless" wrote in message
...
MULCH

Bite me, yard boy, you are a liar, a fraud, and a simpleton.

"D. Staples" wrote in message
omsupplyinc...
symplastless wrote:
"D. Staples" wrote in message
...
"symplastless" wrote in message
...
MULCH

Bite me, yard boy, you are a liar, a fraud, and a simpleton.
Don Staples - Consulting Salvage Hog
http://www.livingston.net/dstaples/Services/salvage.htm

In reality Don Staples claims to be a "consulting forester" while he refuses
to define specifically what that is at his website at:
http://www.livingston.net/dstaples/forestry/staples.htm

PLEASE DEFINE WHAT YOU ARE. "CONSULTING FORESTER" YOUR LINK IS DEAD.
@ http://www.livingston.net/dstaples/forestry/staples.htm


Ok, then, Don Staples. Please provide data specific to Texas that states
that your salvage and restoration work increases the health of a forest
rather
than what I state, that your practice is deforestation. Please
provide the page and paragraph number where your data can be found stating
that you increase forest health by your salvage and restoration work. You
claim I am a fraud while all along you promote deforestation claiming sound
treatment for landowners investment. You claim to be a consulting forester.
Please consult and provide the data for your practice.

"All of the above are relatively simple, low-cost maintenance and management
procedures that will protect your investment, preserve your land, and
provide peace of mind."
A quote from Staples Forestry.

Then he claims this as preservation:
http://www.livingston.net/dstaples/Services/salvage.htm
Nothing but deforestation.


--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Tree Biologist
www.treedictionary.com
and
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
Watch out for so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, tornado's, volcanic eruptions and other
abiotic forces keep reminding humans that they are not the boss.

symplastless wrote:
"D. Staples" wrote in message
omsupplyinc...
symplastless wrote:
"D. Staples" wrote in message
...
"symplastless" wrote in message
...
MULCH
Bite me, yard boy, you are a liar, a fraud, and a simpleton.

Bite me, yard boy, you are a liar, a fraud, and a simpleton. How is
your day job at the sanitation department going?

On Oct 8, 6:43*am, "YMC" wrote:
Hi,

Its been over 6 months since i posted about my pine mulch problem so I
thought I'd share whats happened since I used the mulch.

Backdrop: I have a dozen conifer pine trees - had them pruned back and
mulched the residue. There was a fair bit of the mulch and I couldn't just
store it in one
location in my garden.

The amount could be roughly about 10 - 20 large compost bins full. And i
only have 2.

So what I did was I stored what I could in my 2 bins. Stored what I could in
the backyard. Then I spread it
around in my garden as best as I could.

The mulch seem to turn into something more useful if its placed into open
piles and turned around every month or so.

The ones in the compost bin looked like they turned kind of sour like -
probably due to a lack of water. I travel a fair bit sometimes and don't get
enough time to do necessary stuff in the garden. So I emptied it out - and
after a very short while - it smelt better - that humus pleasant earthly
kind of smell.

The other stuff which I spread around the garden also seemed to turn up
quite nicely too. No plants died but I was careful not to spread it too
thickly. In the areas where i did spread it thickly, the yellow daisy
marguirites loved it. The earthworms thrived!!

Now comes the second stage - where I have to take the pine mulch in the
storage areas to the rest of the garden. Great time to do it too - as I'm
getting a fair bit of weeds/ grass runners in the flower beds.

ymc

"YMC" wrote in message news:...
"Luke" blah@blah wrote in message
...
I think it's more a case where the pine mulch will make the soil more
acidic, whereas a rose prefers a fairly neutral soil around PH 6.5.
Probably composting it is the better idea as I hate seeing mulch go to
waste.

Thanks for that. I think the old guy just wanted to discourage me and take
the mulch away. His quote didn't involve leaving the mulch behind (because
he claimed it was useless).

Another tree cutter suggested putting the mulch onto one section of the
garden which was hidden and let it sit for 4 weeks or so. I've got him to
do the job as he was more helpful and friendly.

I'll probably keep the bulk of the mulch in that section of the garden for
3 - 12 months or so and put a bit of blood and bone and seaweed mix to
hurry up the rotting process.

Thanks all for the advice.

I'm sure you could sell it to a landscaping place or garden center in
your area.

wrote in message news:512c341a-4a25-498e-9d95-
I'm sure you could sell it to a landscaping place or garden center in
your area.

Maybe. But I don't think its usually done here- I'd say the market is
cornered by all the landscapers who mulch people's trees and garden - and
get the stuff for free.

If it had value - the gardeners who mulched it for me would have offered me
some cash for it. Not a nickel all these years.

On Oct 10, 1:17*am, "YMC" wrote:
wrote in message news:512c341a-4a25-498e-9d95-

I'm sure you could sell it to a landscaping place or garden center in
your area.

Maybe. But I don't think its usually done here- I'd say the market is
cornered by all the landscapers who mulch people's trees and garden - and
get the stuff for free.

If it had value - the gardeners who mulched it for me would have offered me
some cash for it. Not a nickel all these years.

Where do you live at? I know our landscapers/gardeners here at the
landscaping company I work for wouldn't even consider thinking of the
idea. Its only if someone calls & we talk to the boss about it. But
thats good you've found use for them

I live in Melbourne Australia. I think I asked once - but was brushed aside.

The most vaulable mulch here is the tea tree mulch. I think some landscapers
pay good money for it.

"Jangchub" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 8 Oct 2008 23:27:04 -0500, "D. Staples"
wrote:


"symplastless" wrote in message
...
MULCH

Ignore this fool


Hey, I am very familiar with Livingston. I used to visit a death row
inmate at the Polunsky Unit. Those are some beautiful forests. I
love Lake Livingston also. The Great Blue Herons and the pelicans and
it's just so beautiful.

As we drive there from Austin we go the back roads and pass all the
areas where they are clearing the forest. I hope that's not YOU! Say
it isn't so....

If you are saying clear cutting, no, not me. My clients are in it for the
long run. But we were hit hard, again, by Ike. I am currently running
casualty loss calculations for those clients that took the hit. According
to the state, we lost five per cent of our commercial forest to the storm.
Salvage is in full swing to reduce both the fire danger and prepare some
areas for replanting. Much of the loss is hard woods, with pine suffering
lighter damage. Some stands have nearly every stem broken off at or around
the twenty foot level. The real devastation is further south, Liberty,
Harden, and Chambers Counties.

Much of what you saw is probably company lands. They prefer short
rotations.

"D. Staples" wrote in message
omsupplyinc...


"Jangchub" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 8 Oct 2008 23:27:04 -0500, "D. Staples"
wrote:


"symplastless" wrote in message
...
MULCH

Ignore this fool


Hey, I am very familiar with Livingston. I used to visit a death row
inmate at the Polunsky Unit. Those are some beautiful forests. I
love Lake Livingston also. The Great Blue Herons and the pelicans and
it's just so beautiful.

As we drive there from Austin we go the back roads and pass all the
areas where they are clearing the forest. I hope that's not YOU! Say
it isn't so....

If you are saying clear cutting, no, not me. My clients are in it for the
long run. But we were hit hard, again, by Ike. I am currently running
casualty loss calculations for those clients that took the hit. According
to the state, we lost five per cent of our commercial forest to the storm.
Salvage is in full swing to reduce both the fire danger and prepare some
areas for replanting. Much of the loss is hard woods, with pine suffering
lighter damage. Some stands have nearly every stem broken off at or
around the twenty foot level. The real devastation is further south,
Liberty, Harden, and Chambers Counties.

Much of what you saw is probably company lands. They prefer short
rotations.
Don Staples - Consulting Salvage Hog
http://www.livingston.net/dstaples/Services/salvage.htm

In reality Don Staples claims to be a "consulting forester" while he refuses
to define specifically what that is at his website at:
http://www.livingston.net/dstaples/forestry/staples.htm

PLEASE DEFINE WHAT YOU ARE. "CONSULTING FORESTER" YOUR LINK IS DEAD.
@ http://www.livingston.net/dstaples/forestry/staples.htm


Ok, then, Don Staples. Please provide data specific to Texas that states
that your salvage and restoration work increases the health of a forest
rather
than what I state, that your practice is deforestation. Please
provide the page and paragraph number where your data can be found stating
that you increase forest health by your salvage and restoration work. You
claim I am a fraud while all along you promote deforestation claiming sound
treatment for landowners investment. You claim to be a consulting forester.
Please consult and provide the data for your practice.

symplastless wrote:
"D. Staples" wrote in message
omsupplyinc...

"Jangchub" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 8 Oct 2008 23:27:04 -0500, "D. Staples"
wrote:

"symplastless" wrote in message
...
MULCH

Ignore this fool

Hey, I am very familiar with Livingston. I used to visit a death row
inmate at the Polunsky Unit. Those are some beautiful forests. I
love Lake Livingston also. The Great Blue Herons and the pelicans and
it's just so beautiful.

As we drive there from Austin we go the back roads and pass all the
areas where they are clearing the forest. I hope that's not YOU! Say
it isn't so....
If you are saying clear cutting, no, not me. My clients are in it for the
long run. But we were hit hard, again, by Ike. I am currently running
casualty loss calculations for those clients that took the hit. According
to the state, we lost five per cent of our commercial forest to the storm.
Salvage is in full swing to reduce both the fire danger and prepare some
areas for replanting. Much of the loss is hard woods, with pine suffering
lighter damage. Some stands have nearly every stem broken off at or
around the twenty foot level. The real devastation is further south,
Liberty, Harden, and Chambers Counties.

Much of what you saw is probably company lands. They prefer short
rotations.
Don Staples - Consulting Salvage Hog
http://www.livingston.net/dstaples/Services/salvage.htm

In reality Don Staples claims to be a "consulting forester" while he refuses
to define specifically what that is at his website at:
http://www.livingston.net/dstaples/forestry/staples.htm

PLEASE DEFINE WHAT YOU ARE. "CONSULTING FORESTER" YOUR LINK IS DEAD.
@ http://www.livingston.net/dstaples/forestry/staples.htm


Ok, then, Don Staples. Please provide data specific to Texas that states
that your salvage and restoration work increases the health of a forest
rather
than what I state, that your practice is deforestation. Please
provide the page and paragraph number where your data can be found stating
that you increase forest health by your salvage and restoration work. You
claim I am a fraud while all along you promote deforestation claiming sound
treatment for landowners investment. You claim to be a consulting forester.
Please consult and provide the data for your practice.


Bite me, yard boy, you are a liar, a fraud, and a simpleton. Let the
grown ups talk.

Jangchub wrote:
On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 18:41:50 -0500, "D. Staples"
wrote:


"Jangchub" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 8 Oct 2008 23:27:04 -0500, "D. Staples"
wrote:

"symplastless" wrote in message
...
MULCH

Ignore this fool

Hey, I am very familiar with Livingston. I used to visit a death row
inmate at the Polunsky Unit. Those are some beautiful forests. I
love Lake Livingston also. The Great Blue Herons and the pelicans and
it's just so beautiful.

As we drive there from Austin we go the back roads and pass all the
areas where they are clearing the forest. I hope that's not YOU! Say
it isn't so....
If you are saying clear cutting, no, not me. My clients are in it for the
long run. But we were hit hard, again, by Ike. I am currently running
casualty loss calculations for those clients that took the hit. According
to the state, we lost five per cent of our commercial forest to the storm.
Salvage is in full swing to reduce both the fire danger and prepare some
areas for replanting. Much of the loss is hard woods, with pine suffering
lighter damage. Some stands have nearly every stem broken off at or around
the twenty foot level. The real devastation is further south, Liberty,
Harden, and Chambers Counties.

Much of what you saw is probably company lands. They prefer short
rotations.


A lot of it looked like it was clearing for a larger road. People
trying to avoid 290 to get into Houston. It's a lovely ride. We were
thinking of moving there near the lake for it's peaceful atmosphere.
We didn't really check the environment thoroughly for just who lives
there yet.

v
Victoria
Next time, come up through Caldwell, College Station, Shiro, Rhones
Prairie, Huntsville, then Livingston. Better scenery.