This is my first garden and it wasn't ready to plant until now. According
to the local planting schedule I missed the planting dates for some of my
early crops.

Can I plant late and still get healthy plants? Peas, Spinach, Broccoli,
potatoes?

Thanks

"The moderator" wrote:

This is my first garden and it wasn't ready to plant until now. According
to the local planting schedule I missed the planting dates for some of my
early crops.

Can I plant late and still get healthy plants? Peas, Spinach, Broccoli,
potatoes?


Where are you located and how late are you talking?

The moderator wrote:
This is my first garden and it wasn't ready to plant until now. According
to the local planting schedule I missed the planting dates for some of my
early crops.

Can I plant late and still get healthy plants? Peas, Spinach, Broccoli,
potatoes?

Thanks



Yes, most likely you can still get a good crop but that depends a lot on
the weather. Be sure to use the right variety of seeds (or plants) for
your area.

--
Bill R. (Ohio Valley, U.S.A)

"You are never to old to play in the dirt"

To see pictures from my garden visit http://members.iglou.com/brosen

Digital Camera - Pentax *ist DL

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"Bill R" wrote in message
...
The moderator wrote:
This is my first garden and it wasn't ready to plant until now.
According to the local planting schedule I missed the planting dates for
some of my early crops.

Can I plant late and still get healthy plants? Peas, Spinach, Broccoli,
potatoes?

Thanks

Yes, most likely you can still get a good crop but that depends a lot on
the weather. Be sure to use the right variety of seeds (or plants) for
your area.

The online Farmer's Almanac talks about phases of the moon. Should I wait
for the moon phase or plant as soon as possible?

On 3/19/2009 6:33 AM, The moderator wrote:
"Bill R" wrote in message
...
The moderator wrote:
This is my first garden and it wasn't ready to plant until now.
According to the local planting schedule I missed the planting dates for
some of my early crops.

Can I plant late and still get healthy plants? Peas, Spinach, Broccoli,
potatoes?

Thanks
Yes, most likely you can still get a good crop but that depends a lot on
the weather. Be sure to use the right variety of seeds (or plants) for
your area.

The online Farmer's Almanac talks about phases of the moon. Should I wait
for the moon phase or plant as soon as possible?



WHERE ARE YOU?

If you are in southern California, peas and broccoli (and possibly
spinach) are a winter crop. They should have been planted in October.
Harvesting is almost over.

If you are in northern Minnisota, you really have to wait until the
frozen soil defrosts.

Don't worry about phases of the moon unless you are an astrologist.

--
David E. Ross
Climate: California Mediterranean
Sunset Zone: 21 -- interior Santa Monica Mountains with some ocean
influence (USDA 10a, very close to Sunset Zone 19)
Gardening diary at http://www.rossde.com/garden/diary

The moderator wrote:
"Bill R" wrote in message
...
The moderator wrote:
This is my first garden and it wasn't ready to plant until now.
According to the local planting schedule I missed the planting dates for
some of my early crops.

Can I plant late and still get healthy plants? Peas, Spinach, Broccoli,
potatoes?

Thanks
Yes, most likely you can still get a good crop but that depends a lot on
the weather. Be sure to use the right variety of seeds (or plants) for
your area.

The online Farmer's Almanac talks about phases of the moon. Should I wait
for the moon phase or plant as soon as possible?



Planting by the phases of the moon, according to a lot of studies, isn't
helpful getting a better crop. Plant your "cool crop" garden now.
--
Bill R. (Ohio Valley, U.S.A)

"You are never to old to play in the dirt"

To see pictures from my garden visit http://members.iglou.com/brosen

Digital Camera - Pentax *ist DL

Remove NO_WEEDS_ in e-mail address to reply by e-mail

On Thu, 19 Mar 2009 07:41:16 -0500, "The moderator"
wrote:

This is my first garden and it wasn't ready to plant until now.
According
to the local planting schedule I missed the planting dates for some of my
early crops.

Can I plant late and still get healthy plants? Peas, Spinach, Broccoli,
potatoes?

Thanks

This is out'en Charlie's archive. I only steal from the best.

Late Planting Guide From Seed
From an Old Organic Magazine

Frost date is Oct 15 Last frost May 15

Your dates may differ due to your climate

July 4 100 days till Oct 15

Frost tender

85 days Snap Beans by July 25
97 days Corn by July 4
86 days Cucumbers by July 25
110 days Tomatoes by June 25
81 ays Squash by Aug 1


Survive Light Frost

90 days Cauliflower by July 25
84 days Chinese Cabbage by July 25
74 days Beets by Aug 15
113 days Endive by June 25
63 days Kohlrabi by Aug 30
76 days Loose Leaf Lettuce by Aug 1r
96 days Head Lettuce by July 4
70 days Peas by Aug 15

Survive Heavy Frost

99 days Cabbage by July 4
85 days Carrots by July 25
70 days Chard by Aug 15
90 days Collards by July 4
95 days Broccoli by July 4
120 days Brussels Sprouts by June 15
95 days Kale by July 4
42 days Radishes Summer by Sept 5
72 days Radishes Winter by Aug 15
64 days Spinach by Aug 25
51 days Turnips by Sept 15

-- People need to remember that these are average frost dates, for zone
5.
I'm also zone five.

Some years things will be done in around the average date, other years
it may go much later. Three years ago we were still harvesting
tomatoes aaround thanksgiving time. I had covered a few plants when
frost hit the end of october. No frost or freeze until around
thnksgiving.

Charlie

An' that's the way it is, movin' on.
--

Billy
"For the first time in the history of the world, every human being is
now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the moment of
conception until death." - Rachel Carson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvCCc4g9wM8&NR=1

In article
,
Billy wrote:


On Thu, 19 Mar 2009 07:41:16 -0500, "The moderator"
wrote:

This is my first garden and it wasn't ready to plant until now.
According
to the local planting schedule I missed the planting dates for some of
my
early crops.

Can I plant late and still get healthy plants? Peas, Spinach,
Broccoli,
potatoes?

Thanks

This is out'en Charlie's archive. I only steal from the best.

Late Planting Guide From Seed
From an Old Organic Magazine

Frost date is Oct 15 Last frost May 15

Your dates may differ due to your climate

July 4 100 days till Oct 15

Frost tender

85 days Snap Beans by July 25
97 days Corn by July 4
86 days Cucumbers by July 25
110 days Tomatoes by June 25
81 ays Squash by Aug 1


Survive Light Frost

90 days Cauliflower by July 25
84 days Chinese Cabbage by July 25
74 days Beets by Aug 15
113 days Endive by June 25
63 days Kohlrabi by Aug 30
76 days Loose Leaf Lettuce by Aug 1r
96 days Head Lettuce by July 4
70 days Peas by Aug 15

Survive Heavy Frost

99 days Cabbage by July 4
85 days Carrots by July 25
70 days Chard by Aug 15
90 days Collards by July 4
95 days Broccoli by July 4
120 days Brussels Sprouts by June 15
95 days Kale by July 4
42 days Radishes Summer by Sept 5
72 days Radishes Winter by Aug 15
64 days Spinach by Aug 25
51 days Turnips by Sept 15

-- People need to remember that these are average frost dates, for zone
5.
I'm also zone five.

Some years things will be done in around the average date, other years
it may go much later. Three years ago we were still harvesting
tomatoes aaround thanksgiving time. I had covered a few plants when
frost hit the end of october. No frost or freeze until around
thnksgiving.

Charlie

An' that's the way it is, movin' on.

I thought this looked useful as well.
http://lifestyle.msn.com/your-home/g...x?cp-documenti
d=8316903

Vertical Crops

Plants that produce vines can be grown on trellises, fences, and other
supports. By growing up instead of out you concentrate much more
production into each square foot of garden. Crops grown off the ground
also tend to be healthier because they are less likely to contract
fungus infections or soil-borne leaf diseases.

The list below shows some of the most popular vegetables suited to this
technique.

Vegetables Suited to Vertical Gardening

* Tomatoes. Choose indeterminate varieties, which continue to grow
and produce over a long period -- often until felled by frost. Tomatoes
can be grown in wire cages or supported by tying to 7-foot-tall wood
stakes driven 2 feet into the ground. Cage-grown tomatoes require
minimal attention, but are more prone to fungal diseases. Tomatoes grown
on stakes benefit from being pruned to a single stem; this means
constantly pinching out new branches that arise in the crotch between
the main stem and a leaf.
* Pole beans. Although they take longer to mature than bush-type
beans, pole beans produce over a much longer period. Train pole beans up
tall wooden poles or a tepee of sturdy bamboo.
* Cucumbers. Vine-type cucumbers (as opposed to the bush varieties)
do well on fences and trellises. Vertically grown cukes also tend to be
straighter and more uniform than those grown on the ground.
* Snap Peas. These super-sweet edible pod peas are among the most
productive vegetables in the spring garden. By selecting tall vining
varieties (such as the original Sugar Snap pea), you can easily grow
them on 5- to 6-foot-tall mesh trellises. Pick carefully to avoid
damaging the brittle vines.
* Melons and winter squash. These long-season crops require
heavy-duty support if you choose to grow them vertically. Larger
varieties may even need slings made of cloth or cut-up panty hose to
support the growing fruit. You'll also need to tie the vines to the
support using strips of cloth; avoid string or wire, which can cut into
the vines.

Succession Planting and Interplanting

These two techniques will increase the yield of your garden, and they
may lengthen a particular vegetable's harvest. Succession planting means
replacing a finished crop with a new crop, or planting a single crop in
small amounts over an extended period. Interplanting means planting a
fast-maturing vegetable in the spaces between slower-maturing
vegetables, or growing a low variety under a tall variety.

The information below explains each technique in detail.

Succession Planting

Succession planting takes two forms. First, you can replace a spring
crop with a summer crop. For example, after the peas are fully
harvested, you can pull out the vines and plant cucumbers in their
place. The key to success of this system is to have a new batch of seeds
or seedlings ready to go when the first crop is done. This system works
best when you are starting with vegetables that do well in cool weather,
but not so well in summer's heat. In addition to peas, you can use this
technique with lettuce, spinach, and radishes.

The second form of succession planting addresses the fact that some
vegetables produce only for a limited time. Bush beans, for example,
should be planted every two weeks to ensure a continuing supply. If you
want to have three crops, plant one-third of the bed every two weeks.
Other crops that benefit from this type of succession planting include
corn, carrots, radishes, and heading lettuce.

A related technique is to plant several varieties with different
maturities. For example, you might plant an early-maturing tomato like
'Early Girl' at the same time as a main season beefsteak variety. Corn
is another vegetable that comes in early, mid-season, and late-maturing
varieties.

Interplanting

This technique takes advantage of the fact that some vegetables grow
quickly, while others take their time. For example, if you plant carrots
and radishes together, you can harvest the radishes in about 30 days,
when the carrots will still be quite small. Another option is to combine
a vertical vegetable (like tomatoes)with a low-growing crop (like
melons).

Here are some interplanting combinations that work well.

*

Grow sprawling melons and squash under stake-grown tomatoes.
*

Surround corn with lettuce or peas with radishes.
*

Combine quick and slow vegetables like lettuce with tomatoes,
beets with pole beans, spinach with winter squash, leeks with sweet
potatoes, and radishes with sweet corn.


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What to Plant How Many Plants Yield
1 bed potatoes 92 plants 145 pounds 10 = 15.5 lbs
1 bed beans (bush) 180 plants 68 pounds 20 = 7.5 lbs
1 bed peas (bush) 362 plants 90 pounds 12 = 3 lbs
1/2 bed broccoli 26 plants 14 pounds
1/2 bed cauliflower 26 plants 75 pounds
1/2 bed lettuce (head) 26 plants 56 pounds
1/2 bed cabbage 26 plants 70 pounds
1 bed sweet corn 92 plants 92 ears
1 bed zucchini 20 plants 120 pounds 6 = 36 lbs
1 bed banana squash 20 plants 120 pounds
1 bed cantaloupes 26 plants 182 pounds
1 bed watermelons 20 plants 182 pounds
1 bed tomatoes 26 plants 156 pounds 16 = 96 lbs

Here's what can be planted later in the fall for a second harvest.
What to Plant How Many Plants Yield 1 bed potatoes 92 plants 145
pounds
1 bed beans (bush) 180 plants 68 pounds
1 bed peas (bush) 362 plants 90 pounds
1/2 bed broccoli 26 plants 14 pounds
1/2 bed cauliflower 26 plants 75 pounds
1/2 bed lettuce (head) 26 plants 56 pounds
1/2 bed cabbage 26 plants 70 pounds
1 bed sweet corn 92 plants 92 ears

To harvest two crops with the assortment of foods listed above in one
season, it is important to transplant well-grown potted plants in the
beds.

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--

- Billy
"For the first time in the history of the world, every human being is
now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the moment of
conception until death." - Rachel Carson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvCCc4g9wM8&NR=1

In article , Charlie wrote:

On Thu, 19 Mar 2009 14:15:01 -0700, Billy
wrote:


This is out'en Charlie's archive. I only steal from the best.

Late Planting Guide From Seed
From an Old Organic Magazine

Shoot....much as I appreciates gettin' strokes and credit fer summit
worthwhile, I gotta 'fess up to gettin' this chart from our own Bill
W, Keeper of All Sorts of Arcane and Not-So-Arcane Knowledge, but I do
sorta like bein'g referred to as one o' the best. ;-)

I'm behind on my posting and will be back later, I hope, but the
weather and the solunar tables look most excellant for goin' out and
wettin' a line in the morning, and I be a roundin' up my gear, which,
believe it or not, was properly stored last fall! I awoke from my
afternoon snoozy, dreamin' of fishin'. Lovey and all are mightily
desirous of some fresh crappie and/or walleye and/or
catfishies.....gonna have to see of old Charlie still has it.

Boy howdy... gonna brew me a thermos of strong java, a bacon, egg and
sprout sammie, grab a pouch of Redman and a cigar and go set a couple
trotlines with some rotten shrimp from last year and then try and jig
me up some crappies !!!!!

I'll be thinking of ya', old trout, as the sun is warming me back and
few sounds of civilization intrude upon me reverie.

I think of best as being plural.

Bill

--
Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA

In article , Charlie wrote:

On Thu, 19 Mar 2009 14:15:01 -0700, Billy
wrote:


This is out'en Charlie's archive. I only steal from the best.

Late Planting Guide From Seed
From an Old Organic Magazine

Shoot....much as I appreciates gettin' strokes and credit fer summit
worthwhile, I gotta 'fess up to gettin' this chart from our own Bill
W, Keeper of All Sorts of Arcane and Not-So-Arcane Knowledge, but I do
sorta like bein'g referred to as one o' the best. ;-)

I'm behind on my posting and will be back later, I hope, but the
weather and the solunar tables look most excellant for goin' out and
wettin' a line in the morning, and I be a roundin' up my gear, which,
believe it or not, was properly stored last fall! I awoke from my
afternoon snoozy, dreamin' of fishin'. Lovey and all are mightily
desirous of some fresh crappie and/or walleye and/or
catfishies.....gonna have to see of old Charlie still has it.

Boy howdy... gonna brew me a thermos of strong java, a bacon, egg and
sprout sammie, grab a pouch of Redman and a cigar and go set a couple
trotlines with some rotten shrimp from last year and then try and jig
me up some crappies !!!!!

I'll be thinking of ya', old trout, as the sun is warming me back and
few sounds of civilization intrude upon me reverie.

Before you go, be sure to take a look at
http://www.dhss.mo.gov/fishadvisory/09FishAdvisory.pdf

"Because children are particularly sensitive to some contaminants, DHSS
makes special recommendations for sensitive populations, which include
pregnant women, women of childbearing age, nursing mothers and children
under 13 years old.* Other recommendations are made for everyone.
*
To minimize the amount of contaminants in fish you eat, DHSS recommends
that you fillet your fish, remove the skin and trim away fatty
portions.* The meal advice in the summary table is based on this
preparation technique.* Generally, DHSS recommends eating smaller, legal
size fish that have not lived as long and have not had time to
accumulate as much contaminants in their bodies.* The complete Fish
Advisory provides further details on specific contaminants and on
cleaning, cooking and other preparation techniques to minimize
contaminants."*

Worse day fishing is better than a good day at work.
- Unanimous
--

- Billy
"For the first time in the history of the world, every human being is
now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the moment of
conception until death." - Rachel Carson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvCCc4g9wM8&NR=1