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Horrilble weed problem for a newbie
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Rick wrote: I agree with John, your best choice will be a relatively behgn pesticide like glyphosate (Roundup is one brand). Note- do not open messages from Billy and Charlie. They won't have anything constructive to say, and are rather overbearing in their misunderstanding of science in general, and pesticide use in particular. Crossbow would probably work better, but it is considerably more toxic and you nentioned children. Glyphosate has the advantage of being rapidly inactivated in soil The non-pesticide option is to grub up the roots repeatedly and keep the area mowed to prevent flowering and seeding. Both Dock and nettles have long and split tap roots, so repeated treatment will be required. This is possible for a smallish garden, but will take several years. Another possible alternative is a high concentration of acetic acid (vinegar). NOTE: concentrations of vinegar sold as pesticides (5-7%) do not work. The stuff you eat on your salad is 5%. It may burn the geen down, but the plants will resprout. You may find a higher concentration (eg 20%). There is a brand called Bradford horticultural vinegar that is sold and is 20%. It is not branded as a pesticide and is not EPA aproved for that purpose. This will cause burns to your skin and will seriously damage your eyes should you get it in them. It might kill dock roots, but also maybe not. Keep everyone and everything out of sprayed area for at least 48 hrs. Glyphosate is much safer. On Sun, 05 Apr 2009 17:36:53 +1000, John Morrison wrote: On Fri, 3 Apr 2009 20:40:14 +0100, keelematt wrote: Hi everyone. Hi, I've read all the previous replies. snip One of the biggest problems I need to overcome right now is weed control. We moved into our house nearly a year ago and inherited a good sized but terribly neglected garden (30 years). The top 1/3 of the garden, approx 50'x35’ is totally covered in Docks and nettles but I'd really rather it be lawned. Last summer I got my hands on some weedkiller and sprayed the lot, within a week they all seemed dead but a few weeks later they were back with a vengeance so I sprayed them again, and the same happened. Obviously they died down over winter but now they’re back in all their glory. What was the name of the weed killer you used? Roundup etc. will probably eventually kill the docks and nettles but it isn't going to happen overnight. Sorry about the Ozzie link but I often used: http://www.yates.com.au/products/wee...d-driveways-no n-selective-control/zero-once-a-year-path-weeder/ You don't use a bucket or watering can, just a careful spray over the plant. Now, this is becoming a real bug bare and I don’t feel like I can move on until I’ve figure out how to kill them. The area is way too big to dig them out and they must be so deep routed I’m worried that weed killer isn’t going to get rid either. Weed killer *WILL* eventually allow you to win. You are able to kill the adult plants with weed killer but seeds already in the ground will again germinate. So when they germinate spray them with weed killer. After your weeds are all dead I will go back to saving the planet. ;-) Rick is a real source of garden wisdom. Bill * Activity in All 13 Groups -- 2410 messages rec.sport.soccer (1509) it.comp.macintosh (292) microsoft.public.windowsxp.general (154) microsoft.public.outlook.general (102) microsoft.public.excel.programming (78) pl.regionalne.krakow (61) it.media.video.produzione (60) rec.games.roguelike.nethack (52) sfnet.harrastus.elektroniikka (34) rec.gambling.poker (24) comp.lang.c (20) it.test (18) dk.fritid.motorcykel (6) -- Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA Not all who wander are lost. - J.R.R. Tolkien (1892-1973) Some Hopi gardener said, "This is not about growing vegetables; it is about growing kids." |
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Horrilble weed problem for a newbie
Hey, Charlie, who left the door open? The barbarians are back inside.
Why be they always so ugly? Well, my little barbarians, let me put it this way. Since you obviously don't give a rats ass about others, why not think about yourself. All species of Rumex (docks) are edible and most are medicinal. http://www.pfaf.org/database/search_...ALLNAMES=rumex If you have the good luck to have rumex acetosa (sorrel), it makes a wonderful soup. Throw money down a hole and poison yourself, or have soup. What do you want to do? ------ Yellow dock has a long history of use as an alterative. Alterative herbs have nonspecific effects on the gastrointestinal tract and the liver. As a result, they are thought to treat skin conditions that are attributed to toxic metabolites from mal-digestion and poor liver function. Remedies For:* Alterative, laxative, hepatic, cholagogue, tonic, depurative, astringent, antiscorbutic, detergent. Used for: Poor Digestion Skin Conditions Yellow Dock is used extensively in the treatment of chronic skin complaints such as psoriasis. The anthraquinones present have a markedly cathartic action on the bowel, but in this herb they act in a mild way. Thus it is useful for constipation, working as it does in a much wider way than simply stimulating the gut muscles. It promotes the flow of bile and has that somewhat obscure action of being a blood cleanser The action on the gall-bladder gives it a role in the treatment of jaundice when this is due to congestion. Traditional herbalists recommend this herb for: bad blood with chronic skin disease; bubonic swellings; low deposits in glands and cellular tissues, and tendency to indolent ulcers; feeble recuperative power; irritative, dry laryngo- tracheal cough; stubborn, dry, summer cough; chronic sore throat, with glandular enlargements and hypersecretion; nervous dyspepsia, with epigastric fullness and pain extending through left half of chest; cough, with dyspnoea and sense of praecordial fullness. ------ And Nettles, I should be so lucky. Again, most have some food and/or medicinal value. http://www.pfaf.org/database/search_...LLNAMES=nettle Almost be like throwing money down a hole to kill them off. But if you want to kill them, cut them down and then eat them as they poke back up. They are chock full of vitamins and minerals. In article , Rick wrote: I agree with John, your best choice will be a relatively behgn pesticide like glyphosate (Roundup is one brand). Note- do not open messages from Billy and Charlie. They won't have anything constructive to say, and are rather overbearing in their misunderstanding of science in general, and pesticide use in particular. Shame he's probably already poisoned. He'd have made a good stew. Crossbow would probably work better, but it is considerably "more toxic" Hello? and you nentioned children. Glyphosate has the advantage of being rapidly inactivated in soil The non-pesticide option is to grub up the roots repeatedly and keep the area mowed to prevent flowering and seeding. Both Dock and nettles have long and split tap roots, so repeated treatment will be required. This is possible for a smallish garden, but will take several years. Another possible alternative is a high concentration of acetic acid (vinegar). NOTE: concentrations of vinegar sold as pesticides (5-7%) do not work. The "stuff you eat on your salad" (YES! You can eat dock and nettle on your salads. Save $$$) is 5%. It may burn the geen down, but the plants will resprout. You may find a higher concentration (eg 20%). There is a brand called Bradford horticultural vinegar that is sold and is 20%. It is not branded as a pesticide and is not EPA aproved for that purpose. This will cause burns to your skin and will seriously damage your eyes should you get it in them. It might kill dock roots, but also maybe not. Keep everyone and everything out of sprayed area for at least 48 hrs. Glyphosate is much safer. Safer than vinegar? Let's see you sprinkle some glyphosate on your salad then. Personally, I'd go with balsamic. It's a little pricey but well worth the cost. Oh well, Kids these days. They just never listen. This used to be a nice planet. Now, it's just goin' to hell in a hand basket. What's an organic, peace, and civil rights Nazi to do? Kids! (sigh) -- - Billy "For the first time in the history of the world, every human being is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072040.html |
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Horrilble weed problem for a newbie
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Rick wrote: He he, It only takes one post for people to figure you out Charley! Whaaaat? You the oracle of Delphi, or somethin', with your vacuous remarks? If you have something to say, say it, straight out like a man, there are adults in here. (Sorry for the testosterone banter folks;O) If you think you have something to share, could we get a cite for it? Unless it is just an opinion. You know about opinions, right? They'er like anal sphincters. Everybody has one, but nobody wants to hear it. -- - Billy "For the first time in the history of the world, every human being is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072040.html |
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Horrilble weed problem for a newbie
In article , Charlie wrote:
On Tue, 07 Apr 2009 15:41:21 -0700, Billy wrote: Hey, Charlie, who left the door open? The barbarians are back inside. Why be they always so ugly? Our friend Rick is an annual spring repeat, kinda like a weed, ya' know. Remember him from last year? Proponent of GM and all things chemical....one of them there real smart fellers what likes to put folks down with his show of edgycation, dick, er, degree waving and all that there high minded stuff. Seems it's hokey dokey fer his kind to put down our kind, but the vicey versey is a no no. (I think he's one of them TLA guys sent here fer disinformation distribution...know whut I mean, Verne?) Charlie TLA? You mean like DM-F or SOB? Anyways, if'in you wants to keep him, you're gone have to wash and worm him first. I'm too tuckered after that set-to with that MG teacher to be bothered with him. MG teacher? Wot you suppose that means? Miniature golf, maybe? You think she could teach me miniature golf, Charlie? I think I'd like that. MG? GM?? Nawww. MG female - GM male? I got a bad feeling about this Charlie. Charlie, what chew know bout mirror images an' reflection symmetry? -- - Billy "For the first time in the history of the world, every human being is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072040.html |
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Horrilble weed problem for a newbie
In article , Charlie wrote:
gardengal/gardenrick? MG/GM? yin/yang? What's been loosed in the garden? Oh lawdy, Billy. We goin' all physics or metaphysical here? Or bi-polar? or........? Sheet mon, this ain't one of dem Mr. Natural moments, now is it? -- Charlie "Mr. Natural sez, Use the right tool for the job" Tell that to brooklyn1 and Jangchub. I'm about to have crop failure. It's not a full moon tonight is it? -- - Billy "For the first time in the history of the world, every human being is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072040.html |
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You two are a couple of the most unpleasant and aggressive people I've ever come across in forums. So much so that at times it's actually funny. Not that you care.
You know, you're probably right about everything you say, I don't profess to have any kind of knowledge or wisdom on the green vs non green debate (to simplify matters for the sake of ease) but I do know this: Your message would be much better received, accepted and perhaps even acted upon if you didn't resort to actively attacking with such bile the people you are 'discussing' with. Not every one knows or understands the topics and issues as you do and perhaps education and conversation would be a better bet than aggression and slander. |
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Horrilble weed problem for a newbie
On Apr 5, 9:40*am, gardengal wrote:
On Apr 4, 6:09*pm, keelematt wrote: Billy, do you live your entire life being a total prick or are you just a part time keyboard hero? *I moderated a number of forums for many years and I must admit that it's rare to come across anybody as obnoxious or eager for a flame war as you! *It's usually immature teenagers that are trying to wind people up at the drop of a hat. *What was it you called me? *Dumber than dirt wasn't it, you really have no idea how far off the truth you are, jackass. You mentioned in your first post that I was here looking for a poison solution - you're absolutely full of crud, I asked for suggested methods of killing the Docks not poisoning them, I had been considering using a paraffin burner or coving them rather than using chemicals and wondered if it might have been suggested here, it seems like you're just to eager waiting to start jumping up and down on your soap box before looking any further than your blurred, narrow minded outlook on the human race. Well Mr Smartarse, answer me this - What the hell is so vain and stupid about a lawn? My children would be lost without the lawn to play on. *We do have woods as well as more wild areas on our ground for them to explore but they still love to kick a ball about the place and ride their toy tractors around. *You really are a complete tosser. *Would you rather I concreted the lot and saved myself a life times worth of work? *Are we not being encouraged to keep lawned areas by your fellow eco warriors? I'm not sure if I'm allowed to post links on here but on the off chance 'here's' (http://tinyurl.com/yjm842) one for you ;-) I'll take another look at the help comments tomorrow and see if we can figure out a solution. *Shame I've lowered my self to Billy's level and wasted 20 minutes of my life writing this post! -- keelematt Sometimes it's just not worth it to respond :-) . But the organic Nazis, such as Billy appears to be, are detrimental to the cause as are any type of ideologues and tend to put people off the program rather than encouraging them I am commenting on just that portion of your message that includes the expression "organic Nazis". Please consider that the Seinfeld-popularized use of ".....Nazis" to denote anyone or anything you disapprove of is deeply offensive to people who lost their families in the death camps of the real Nazis -- as well as to people whose loved ones were killed or wounded fighting the real Nazis. I am heartsick when I see this phrase promiscuously used, and I entreat thoughtful people to eliminate it from their vocabularies. |
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