Are you still around? Didn't you, or do you still work at Swanson's?

Val

On May 3, 1:53*pm, "Val" wrote:
Are you still around? Didn't you, or do you still work at Swanson's?

Val

this is the last personal post that Gardengal sent me April 9th.
She's struggling to just get by right now as a lot of us are.........I
can only hope she won't mind me posting it here since your reply to
author was uncertain. If I have overstepped my boundaries or someone
elses, just consider it my way of trying to be helpful and move past
it.

"I am for all purposes unemployed, dead broke and can't afford my
current housing anymore. So I'm moving at the end of this month. I'll
be staying with family for awhile......until I can find a decent job
and a new place of my own I can afford. This is all pretty short
notice and sorting through and cleaning out 25 years of accumulated
junk is taking up all my time. And I am leaving all my garden - except
for a few choice, small items - behind. I just don't know where I'm
going to land and what it will look like to drag a lot of plants with
me.
We can hopefully both look ahead to better, more secure days and
the promise of future plants to come! I'll keep good thoughts for you
if you keep good thoughts for me!! All the best, Pam"

Her sweet wishes for me were a given. Of course I think good
thoughts about all my wreck gardens friends I've made over the last 14
years. Since this e-mail was at the first of April, and we're now in
the first of May, I can only assume that she's now staying with family
for the time being, has sorted through her accumulated junk and the
tears and pain is soaked in more happy memories and a fresh start,
than hurt and anger. She had some hard times a few years ago and
dropped out of sight as she started to sort through the chaos of the
nursery that she'd worked at successfully for over 15 years (as I
remember) and either it's closing or her decision to leave.

She popped back in recently and was just beginning to answer
questions and had responded back to me, and a few others when I got
word from her that due to the nursery closure, she had taken
employment at Macy's and wasn't earning near enough. But her spirits
were good. This last post was distressing for me simply because she
lives in the Pacific northwest and now that she's moved in with
family, and focused on a different job, and adjusting to sharing a
home with people after being on her own for so long, and I have no way
of just reaching her to console and give her moral support. I sent
her a reply after I got this and that was it. No word since then For
the time being. I have her old snail mail address and I realize now
that I need to drop her a quick line to insure she knows how to reach
me the old fashioned way. Lets just keep a good thought out for all
of us who are struggling with day to day life in these times of
depression and uncertainty.

It's still spring, and I only hope that we can find the magic
and wonder of it all right now amidst the confusion of new beginnings
and unknown hurdles. I will let you know if I hear back from her. I
know she'll do as best as she's capable. Lets all send out some good
thoughts. ok?

madgardener,gardening in containers, over in upper northeastern
Tennessee sending love to Gardengal and many others who are
experiencing the same as too many others right now......zone 7a,
Sunset zone 36

wrote in message
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On May 3, 1:53 pm, "Val" wrote:
Are you still around? Didn't you, or do you still work at Swanson's?

Val

this is the last personal post that Gardengal sent me April 9th.
She's struggling to just get by right now as a lot of us are.........I
can only hope she won't mind me posting it here since your reply to
author was uncertain. If I have overstepped my boundaries or someone
elses, just consider it my way of trying to be helpful and move past
it.

Perhaps it would have more prudent to have just asked for a way to contact
me privately.

~Pam's email snipped with respect to her personal privacy~

"........chaos of the nursery that she'd worked at successfully for over 15
years (as I
remember) and either it's closing or her decision to leave."

That nursery opened in 1927, it's still sucessful and going strong. I have
no facts about any of her decisions.

" when I got word from her that due to the nursery closure..."

It isn't closed, I was there yesterday, it's less than 10 minutes from my
home.

"This last post was distressing for me simply because she
lives in the Pacific northwest......"

Why would the fact she lives in the Pacific Northwest distress you?

"I have her old snail mail address and I realize now
that I need to drop her a quick line ...."

Perhaps you should do that. You allude to being a good friend but you post a
private email and then use your convoluted conjectures and opinions as her
facts all in the spirit of helping her get over and on with it? How could
this be helping if you are not in communication with her and/or she's not
reading and basking in all your "help".

"I will let you know if I hear back from her....."

No need, I just contacted a former aquaintence of hers at 'the nursery that
didn't close' and have the information I was looking for.

I'm sure you are a very nice person Maddy, I've followed your posts for
years but TMI on this one. I realize the Maddy fan club will rise up on
their hind legs to defend you but a simple...."haven't heard from since
April" would have been sufficient. I personally would have been somewhat
distress if you'd aired on a newsgroup what I sent to you privately about
what appears to be a very difficult and personal matter. I realize you have
no problem publishing all the grimy details of your private life but not all
are like that. I'd think if Pam was she'd have told one and all in long,
rambling missives on the newsgroup instead of few 'trusted friends' in what
she thought was private communication.

Nuff said.
Val

"Jangchub" wrote in message
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On Sun, 3 May 2009 13:16:19 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On May 3, 1:53 pm, "Val" wrote:
Are you still around? Didn't you, or do you still work at Swanson's?

Val

this is the last personal post that Gardengal sent me April 9th.

Marilyn, I won't presume to speak for Pam, but it is overstepping and
I don't think she wanted the whole newsgroup know her personal
business. That's just me, and I see you validated it ahead of time,
but you should go with your gut feeling and not do it if you have to
validate it first.

Just a friendly suggestion. What I say to you in email is not for
public comsumption.
Victoria


True, publishing private email is the most egregious act... deserving of
relegating to the grave.

On May 3, 6:54*pm, "brooklyn1" wrote:
"Jangchub" wrote in message

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On Sun, 3 May 2009 13:16:19 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On May 3, 1:53 pm, "Val" wrote:
Are you still around? Didn't you, or do you still work at Swanson's?

Val

this is the last personal post that Gardengal sent me April 9th.

Marilyn, I won't presume to speak for Pam, but it is overstepping and
I don't think she wanted the whole newsgroup know her personal
business. *That's just me, and I see you validated it ahead of time,
but you should go with your gut feeling and not do it if you have to
validate it first.

Just a friendly suggestion. *What I say to you in email is not for
public comsumption.
Victoria

True, publishing private email is the most egregious act... deserving of
relegating to the grave.- Hide quoted text -

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well, I will apologize for my actions. I never meant harm or person
afront. as for the "maddie fan club" I deserve a slap in the face if
I've done horribly wrong and I will take my medicine as it's given
out. consider me banished. I won't surface again until I have either
lost the friendship of Pam or she's forgiven me for this snipped
version of her last e-mail to me. as for the distressing news, what
that meant was not that I was distressed that she lived in the Pacific
northwest, one of my best friends that I've KNOWN since 1978 in
Colorado lives in Eugene now. I meant that being in Tennessee and her
being somewhere in the Pacific Northwest meant simply huge distances
that I couldn't locate her easily.

having said that, and having V and a few others jump on me, I deserve
it. I'm going. and I mean it. no song and dance, those who despise me
for my naieveness and stupidity will rejoice and dance in the
streets. I won't return for awhile, and that is a promise. I keep my
word. as for me considering her my friend, that's too assumpitve of
me. regardless of her considering me a friend, if she feels I've
overstepped, then I can only offer my most sincere apologies to HER.
as for offending those of you on the newsgroup, I have screwed up in
the past, and it won't be the first or last time. but it will be the
last for me for a long time. I love all of my gardening friends, and
this is the hardest thing I've had to do since losing my house,
eviction, foreclosure and everything rolled up in the last two years
including the death of mama, the divorce that released me from my hell
and everything else including my trying to heal from the massive loss
of all my gardens and thousands of $ worth of perennials both in value
and sentimental irreplacablility.

I'm sorry folks, I'm just human and sometimes screw up. what more can
I do but just leave?

marilyn the madgardener. in upper northeastern tennessee zone 7a,
Sunset zone 36 (and NO, I am NOT looking for pity, sympathy or begs of
"don't go" I need to get my affairs in order and write some letters
and if I get word I've done wrong I will deal with it. )

On May 3, 3:53*pm, "Val" wrote:
wrote in message

...
On May 3, 1:53 pm, "Val" wrote:

Are you still around? Didn't you, or do you still work at Swanson's?

Val
this is the last personal post that Gardengal sent me April 9th.
She's struggling to just get by right now as a lot of us are.........I
can only hope she won't mind me posting it here since your reply to
author was uncertain. *If I have overstepped my boundaries or someone
elses, just consider it my way of trying to be helpful and move past
it.

Perhaps it would have more prudent to have just asked for a way to contact
me privately.

~Pam's email snipped with respect to her personal privacy~

"........chaos of the nursery that she'd worked at successfully for over 15
years (as I
remember) and either it's closing or her decision to leave."

That nursery opened in 1927, it's still sucessful and going strong. I have
no facts about any of her decisions.

" when I got word from her that due to the nursery closure..."

It isn't closed, I was there yesterday, it's less than 10 minutes from my
home.

"This last post was distressing for me simply because she
lives in the Pacific northwest......"

Why would the fact she lives in the Pacific Northwest distress you?

"I have her old snail mail address and I realize now
that I need to drop her a quick line ...."

Perhaps you should do that. You allude to being a good friend but you post a
private email and then use your convoluted conjectures and opinions as her
facts all in the spirit of helping her get over and on with it? How could
this be helping if you are not in communication with her and/or she's not
reading and basking in all your "help".

"I will let you know if I hear back from her....."

No need, I just contacted a former aquaintence of hers at 'the nursery that
didn't close' and have the information I was looking for.

I'm sure you are a very nice person Maddy, I've followed your posts for
years but TMI on this one. I realize the Maddy fan club will rise up on
their hind legs to defend you but a simple...."haven't heard from since
April" would have been sufficient. I personally would have been somewhat
distress if you'd aired on a newsgroup what I sent to you privately about
what appears to be a very difficult and personal matter. I realize you have
no problem publishing all the grimy details of your private life but not all
are like that. I'd think if Pam was she'd have told one and all in long,
rambling missives on the newsgroup instead of few 'trusted friends' in what
she thought was private communication.

Nuff said.
Val

Well.........I'm not sure I know how to respond :-)

To answer your initial question Val, I left Swanson's years ago for a
much better position at another nursery. Worked there for a good
number of years, then moved to the wholesale end of the business. Have
recently gone through a bit of a transition period, but I am back
again in the retail end of the business. And I still practice my own
business of landscape design and professional horticultural services.

As to Marilyn (maddie) reprinting a personal email, I've known her for
many years and know that her heart is in the right place even though
she may used poor judgement in revealing what was essentially a very
personal conversation. I am a little chagrined that my "business" was
aired for the world to see, but can't do anything about that now ;-)
I'll just leave it by saying that I was not satisfied with the way my
life was going and decided to make some major changes.......all good.
I have not been around in the last few weeks because I was busy
sorting through and packing up a household of 25 years. I have a new
job and a new residence and a new outlook - my life is good and I am
moving forward!!

Maddie has indicated in a personal email that she is well aware she
overstepped a boundary in repeating a private conversation. Her
intentions were good if her method was questionable. I accept her
apology. A lesson was learned by all........I will not be so
forthcoming about my personal business and Maddie will not be
repeating personal communications without authorization :-)

A mistake was made. Forgiveness is a good thing. Let's move on.

"gardengal" wrote in message
...
On May 3, 3:53 pm, "Val" wrote:
wrote in message

...
On May 3, 1:53 pm, "Val" wrote:

Are you still around? Didn't you, or do you still work at Swanson's?

Val
this is the last personal post that Gardengal sent me April 9th.
She's struggling to just get by right now as a lot of us are.........I
can only hope she won't mind me posting it here since your reply to
author was uncertain. If I have overstepped my boundaries or someone
elses, just consider it my way of trying to be helpful and move past
it.

Perhaps it would have more prudent to have just asked for a way to contact
me privately.

~Pam's email snipped with respect to her personal privacy~

"........chaos of the nursery that she'd worked at successfully for over
15
years (as I
remember) and either it's closing or her decision to leave."

That nursery opened in 1927, it's still sucessful and going strong. I have
no facts about any of her decisions.

" when I got word from her that due to the nursery closure..."

It isn't closed, I was there yesterday, it's less than 10 minutes from my
home.

"This last post was distressing for me simply because she
lives in the Pacific northwest......"

Why would the fact she lives in the Pacific Northwest distress you?

"I have her old snail mail address and I realize now
that I need to drop her a quick line ...."

Perhaps you should do that. You allude to being a good friend but you post
a
private email and then use your convoluted conjectures and opinions as her
facts all in the spirit of helping her get over and on with it? How could
this be helping if you are not in communication with her and/or she's not
reading and basking in all your "help".

"I will let you know if I hear back from her....."

No need, I just contacted a former aquaintence of hers at 'the nursery
that
didn't close' and have the information I was looking for.

I'm sure you are a very nice person Maddy, I've followed your posts for
years but TMI on this one. I realize the Maddy fan club will rise up on
their hind legs to defend you but a simple...."haven't heard from since
April" would have been sufficient. I personally would have been somewhat
distress if you'd aired on a newsgroup what I sent to you privately about
what appears to be a very difficult and personal matter. I realize you
have
no problem publishing all the grimy details of your private life but not
all
are like that. I'd think if Pam was she'd have told one and all in long,
rambling missives on the newsgroup instead of few 'trusted friends' in
what
she thought was private communication.

Nuff said.
Val

Well.........I'm not sure I know how to respond :-)

To answer your initial question Val, I left Swanson's years ago for a
much better position at another nursery. Worked there for a good
number of years, then moved to the wholesale end of the business. Have
recently gone through a bit of a transition period, but I am back
again in the retail end of the business. And I still practice my own
business of landscape design and professional horticultural services.

As to Marilyn (maddie) reprinting a personal email, I've known her for
many years and know that her heart is in the right place even though
she may used poor judgement in revealing what was essentially a very
personal conversation. I am a little chagrined that my "business" was
aired for the world to see, but can't do anything about that now ;-)
I'll just leave it by saying that I was not satisfied with the way my
life was going and decided to make some major changes.......all good.
I have not been around in the last few weeks because I was busy
sorting through and packing up a household of 25 years. I have a new
job and a new residence and a new outlook - my life is good and I am
moving forward!!

Maddie has indicated in a personal email that she is well aware she
overstepped a boundary in repeating a private conversation. Her
intentions were good if her method was questionable. I accept her
apology. A lesson was learned by all........I will not be so
forthcoming about my personal business and Maddie will not be
repeating personal communications without authorization :-)

A mistake was made. Forgiveness is a good thing. Let's move on.

===========

But you're not moving on, you're still doing it... have you no self control?
So stop talking about it... it's just as dispicable to air in public with
whom one exchanges email. People who post private email and/or name drop
with whom they exchange private email can never be trusted to not forward
private email and talk behind folk's backs. I don't know you but I know
your type well enough that I'm certain that whatever anyone emails you makes
the rounds and with much embellishment... nothing you say is believeable,
not a word, and you're not well... if you control your other bodily
functions they way you control your loose lips then you walk around 24/7
with shit in your drawers.

On May 4, 7:39*am, "brooklyn1" wrote:
"gardengal" wrote in message

...
On May 3, 3:53 pm, "Val" wrote:





wrote in message

....
On May 3, 1:53 pm, "Val" wrote:

Are you still around? Didn't you, or do you still work at Swanson's?

Val
this is the last personal post that Gardengal sent me April 9th.
She's struggling to just get by right now as a lot of us are.........I
can only hope she won't mind me posting it here since your reply to
author was uncertain. If I have overstepped my boundaries or someone
elses, just consider it my way of trying to be helpful and move past
it.

Perhaps it would have more prudent to have just asked for a way to contact
me privately.

~Pam's email snipped with respect to her personal privacy~

"........chaos of the nursery that she'd worked at successfully for over
15
years (as I
remember) and either it's closing or her decision to leave."

That nursery opened in 1927, it's still sucessful and going strong. I have
no facts about any of her decisions.

" when I got word from her that due to the nursery closure..."

It isn't closed, I was there yesterday, it's less than 10 minutes from my
home.

"This last post was distressing for me simply because she
lives in the Pacific northwest......"

Why would the fact she lives in the Pacific Northwest distress you?

"I have her old snail mail address and I realize now
that I need to drop her a quick line ...."

Perhaps you should do that. You allude to being a good friend but you post
a
private email and then use your convoluted conjectures and opinions as her
facts all in the spirit of helping her get over and on with it? How could
this be helping if you are not in communication with her and/or she's not
reading and basking in all your "help".

"I will let you know if I hear back from her....."

No need, I just contacted a former aquaintence of hers at 'the nursery
that
didn't close' and have the information I was looking for.

I'm sure you are a very nice person Maddy, I've followed your posts for
years but TMI on this one. I realize the Maddy fan club will rise up on
their hind legs to defend you but a simple...."haven't heard from since
April" would have been sufficient. I personally would have been somewhat
distress if you'd aired on a newsgroup what I sent to you privately about
what appears to be a very difficult and personal matter. I realize you
have
no problem publishing all the grimy details of your private life but not
all
are like that. I'd think if Pam was she'd have told one and all in long,
rambling missives on the newsgroup instead of few 'trusted friends' in
what
she thought was private communication.

Nuff said.
Val

Well.........I'm not sure I know how to respond :-)

To answer your initial question Val, I left Swanson's years ago for a
much better position at another nursery. Worked there for a good
number of years, then moved to the wholesale end of the business. Have
recently gone through a bit of a transition period, but I am back
again in the retail end of the business. And I still practice my own
business of landscape design and professional horticultural services.

As to Marilyn (maddie) reprinting a personal email, I've known her for
many years and know that her heart is in the right place even though
she may used poor judgement in revealing what was essentially a very
personal conversation. I am a little chagrined that my "business" was
aired for the world to see, but can't do anything about that now ;-)
I'll just leave it by saying that I was not satisfied with the way my
life was going and decided to make some major changes.......all good.
I have not been around in the last few weeks because I was busy
sorting through and packing up a household of 25 years. I have a new
job and a new residence and a new outlook - my life is good and I am
moving forward!!

Maddie has indicated in a personal email that she is well aware she
overstepped a boundary in repeating a private conversation. Her
intentions were good if her method was questionable. I accept her
apology. A lesson was learned by all........I will not be so
forthcoming about my personal business and Maddie will not be
repeating personal communications without authorization :-)

A mistake was made. Forgiveness is a good thing. Let's move on.

===========

But you're not moving on, you're still doing it... have you no self control?
So stop talking about it... it's just as dispicable to air in public with
whom one exchanges email. *People who post private email and/or name drop
with whom they exchange private email can never be trusted to not forward
private email and talk behind folk's backs. *I don't know you but I know
your type well enough that I'm certain that whatever anyone emails you makes
the rounds and with much embellishment... nothing you say is believeable,
not a word, and you're not well... if you control your other bodily
functions they way you control your loose lips then you walk around 24/7
with shit in your drawers.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

What is truly despicable......other than the fact that you can't
spell.....is YOUR need to feel you have the right to chastise anyone
not addressing you on this newsgroup about matters which are none of
your business and in such a rude and unpleasant manner. My response
was NOT to you but to Val, who posted the question initially and to
those who jumped on Maddie for an issue she and I have already
resolved. Why you have to open YOUR garbage mouth about something
which has nothing to do with you is just a symptom of your lack of
couth, manners and indicative of no personal life of your own. I do
not have to justify myself to you nor does anyone else.

You, sir, are an asshole, as you have demonstrated countless times in
the past and continue to do so with every single post. No one here
thinks you have anything of value to offer so why don't you just shut
the f up?? I'd much rather read Maddie spreading what ever type of
personal info about me she felt inclined to than anything you'd bother
to write. Which has all proved to be a bunch of crap anyway.

Get a life.

In article ,
"brooklyn1" wrote:

But you're not moving on, you're still doing it... have you no self control?
So stop talking about it... it's just as dispicable to air in public with
whom one exchanges email. People who post private email and/or name drop
with whom they exchange private email can never be trusted to not forward
private email and talk behind folk's backs. I don't know you but I know
your type well enough that I'm certain that whatever anyone emails you makes
the rounds and with much embellishment... nothing you say is believeable,
not a word, and you're not well... if you control your other bodily
functions they way you control your loose lips then you walk around 24/7
with shit in your drawers.

New name, but same ol' Shelly. You don't have to look, Shelly. Can't you
control your eyes?
--

- Billy
"For the first time in the history of the world, every human being
is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the
moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072040.html

In article
,
gardengal wrote:

You, sir, are an asshole, as you have demonstrated countless times in
the past and continue to do so with every single post. No one here
thinks you have anything of value to offer so why don't you just shut
the f up??

I'll second the motion. All in favor. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye.
The ayes have it Shelly, STFU.
--

- Billy
"For the first time in the history of the world, every human being
is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the
moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072040.html