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Some *******s never learn eh. This easter I am contemplating
having
another go at some rought home made cider. I am trying to get a
better
(cheap) rig together. Benchmark is this guy

He spent 40 euros apparently. Should be able to do it cheaper
than
that.

this guy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0fvkiSHOsY

40 euros!! bloody spendthrift.

rob

I didn't quite get what he made the press cage out of (Damn ears
are
failing me.). The cage is what gets the pressure, with little
support.

frame was wooden, screwed & gang nailed.
A bottle jack
A couple of old wood turned spindles
Some mdf cut for a pressure board

An old drum to take the apple cake
What does an old drum mean?

I took it to mean a 'bang bang' type drum. I assume it is a wooden with
the
skin taken off.

If it is metal I guess the joker would've been aware of rust etc.

I am using a plastic bucket.

rob

OK, I just wanted to voice my concerns.
The plastic bucket, is it food grade plastic? It is probably more of a
concern for fermenters, but you may want to consider it.
http://www.virtualweberbullet.com/plastics.html

Yes. Its HDPE which is a recyclable 2. That was free. My press plates are
also food grade, being 2 old plastic chopping boards that I got from
second hand shops for 50c each and cut down. My 'turkey baking tray' is a
food grade steel waiters tray that I also got for 50c.

I put you guys crook there. It wasn't 50 cents, it was actually 20 cents.

That is about 10 cents in old US currency but probably about 50cents now,
since your dollar plunged.

rob

Plummet is more like it.

The dollar is in the toilette, and the jobs have been sent to Singapore
and Malaysia, where one needn't worry about environmental pollution or
regulations about sweatshops. With more than 820 military installations
in at least 135 countries, fighting two and a half wars in the Middle
East, supporting another in Somalia, and planning for another against
Venezuela, our War Dept. has a base budget of $533.8*billion, plus an
additional $130.0*billion was requested for operations in the
profitable, but fictitious, War on Terrorism. Altogether, the U.S.
spends about $664*billion per year on its military, constituting
approximately 40% of world military expenditures spent by 5% of the
world's population. Outside of direct War Dept.'s spending, the United
States spends another $185*237*billion each year on other
defense(?)-related programs.

Just think, if America only spent 25% of the world's military
expenditures we could have healthcare for everyone, universal college
education, clean water for the entire world, and I might be able to
visit France again.

http://books.google.com/books?id=hLZ...ntcover&dq=lov
e+of+war&source=bll&ots=YICZdCghdz&sig=txGrqnqUtEw 7iZ06xRdoEbmvXeI&hl=en&
ei=phupS4LCNMGAlAfG7p2-Dw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=12&ved=0C D
sQ6AEwCw#v=onepage&q=&f=false

or http://preview.tinyurl.com/ya3qekh


I'm 62 had war about all my life and my dad and his did too. Lost My
dad dads to german strapenal. Get a respite and think perhaps there is a
glimmer of humanity and CNN gets the que to start talking about
destruction like it is a way of life . Perhaps it is. The locations may
differ but we are always over there over there yes the yanks are coming
etc.

A cure I like to believe is acting like Cost Rica but I'm screwed up.

--
Bill Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA
http://www.globalissues.org/article/75/world-military-spending
http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2010/03/benjamin-zander-on-music-and-passion/
http://www.ted.com/talks/richard_feynman.html VERY NEAT

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On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 17:55:08 +1300, "George"
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I put you guys crook there. It wasn't 50 cents, it was actually 20 cents.

That is about 10 cents in old US currency but probably about 50cents now,
since your dollar plunged.

rob

Here is a visual to put an exclamation point on Billy's post....

Pictures worth thousands of words, so it has been said...

http://cohort11.americanobserver.net...ediafinal.html

Charlie, in the middle, bein' squeezed hard and fast from left and
right, up and down.

ahhhhhhh, thank you neo-liberal deregulated capitalism for such a successful
unemployment rate. The UR rate is up to 7.3% here, having been as low as
3.4% a couple of years ago. Don't you just love the 'leave it to the market'
jokers.

rob

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Some *******s never learn eh. This easter I am contemplating
having
another go at some rought home made cider. I am trying to get
a
better
(cheap) rig together. Benchmark is this guy

He spent 40 euros apparently. Should be able to do it cheaper
than
that.

this guy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0fvkiSHOsY

40 euros!! bloody spendthrift.

rob

I didn't quite get what he made the press cage out of (Damn ears
are
failing me.). The cage is what gets the pressure, with little
support.

frame was wooden, screwed & gang nailed.
A bottle jack
A couple of old wood turned spindles
Some mdf cut for a pressure board

An old drum to take the apple cake
What does an old drum mean?

I took it to mean a 'bang bang' type drum. I assume it is a wooden
with
the
skin taken off.

If it is metal I guess the joker would've been aware of rust etc.

I am using a plastic bucket.

rob

OK, I just wanted to voice my concerns.
The plastic bucket, is it food grade plastic? It is probably more of a
concern for fermenters, but you may want to consider it.
http://www.virtualweberbullet.com/plastics.html

Yes. Its HDPE which is a recyclable 2. That was free. My press plates
are
also food grade, being 2 old plastic chopping boards that I got from
second hand shops for 50c each and cut down. My 'turkey baking tray' is
a
food grade steel waiters tray that I also got for 50c.

I put you guys crook there. It wasn't 50 cents, it was actually 20 cents.

That is about 10 cents in old US currency but probably about 50cents now,
since your dollar plunged.

rob

Plummet is more like it.

bottle jack $20 purchased today. Could not find one anywhere so had to
purchase. That about $200 to $300 US I think.

Just think, if America only spent 25% of the world's military
expenditures we could have healthcare for everyone, universal college
education, clean water for the entire world, and I might be able to
visit France again.

I think Obama has made some significant progress with your health reforms.
Our health system is national & paid from taxes. It isn't perfect and has
some problems but is something the nations values and wants to keep. We also
put hundreds of millions a year in to making primary health care low cost.
You guys are missing out.

rob

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Some *******s never learn eh. This easter I am contemplating
having
another go at some rought home made cider. I am trying to get
a
better
(cheap) rig together. Benchmark is this guy

He spent 40 euros apparently. Should be able to do it cheaper
than
that.

this guy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0fvkiSHOsY

40 euros!! bloody spendthrift.

rob

I didn't quite get what he made the press cage out of (Damn ears
are
failing me.). The cage is what gets the pressure, with little
support.

frame was wooden, screwed & gang nailed.
A bottle jack
A couple of old wood turned spindles
Some mdf cut for a pressure board

An old drum to take the apple cake
What does an old drum mean?

I took it to mean a 'bang bang' type drum. I assume it is a wooden
with
the
skin taken off.

If it is metal I guess the joker would've been aware of rust etc.

I am using a plastic bucket.

rob

OK, I just wanted to voice my concerns.
The plastic bucket, is it food grade plastic? It is probably more of a
concern for fermenters, but you may want to consider it.
http://www.virtualweberbullet.com/plastics.html

Yes. Its HDPE which is a recyclable 2. That was free. My press plates
are
also food grade, being 2 old plastic chopping boards that I got from
second hand shops for 50c each and cut down. My 'turkey baking tray' is
a
food grade steel waiters tray that I also got for 50c.

I put you guys crook there. It wasn't 50 cents, it was actually 20 cents.

That is about 10 cents in old US currency but probably about 50cents now,
since your dollar plunged.

rob

Plummet is more like it.

bottle jack $20 purchased today. Could not find one anywhere so had to
purchase. That about $200 to $300 US I think.

That's what we Yanks hate about you Kiwi coming in here, and all you
ever say is "how much?" The worlds not about money you know. At least a
tiny part of it isn't.

Just think, if America only spent 25% of the world's military
expenditures we could have healthcare for everyone, universal college
education, clean water for the entire world, and I might be able to
visit France again.

I think Obama has made some significant progress with your health reforms.
Our health system is national & paid from taxes. It isn't perfect and has
some problems but is something the nations values and wants to keep. We also
put hundreds of millions a year in to making primary health care low cost.
You guys are missing out.

rob

Maybe, a perspective from 10530 kilometres away would improve it. We are
still waiting to see the smoke and mirrors in this 2,300+ pages of
legislation. The down side is that it is mandatory to buy health
insurance from blood-sucking, private insurance companies, or financial
penalties will be levied against those who don't comply. If we are all
good little citizens, the insurance companies will make a killing. There
seems to be some good things in the bill, like imposing anti-trust laws
to suppress collusion in price fixing, not losing your insurance when
you lose your job, not being denied coverage because you have a medical
condition (in some cases that means having an uterus). I heard that we
will have about the same health coverage as Germany and Japan, only it
will cost twice as much.
http://www.democracynow.org/2010/3/2...th_care_bill_a

But remember that this is brought to us by the same people who still
allow the CIA to torture, continue Bush's militarism, and won't
prosecute the last administration for breaking American laws and
international treaties, promote nuclear energy (the kind that makes
plutonium: boom), promotes the use of fossil fuel, does nothing about
our farm subsidies that undercuts farmers in Mexico and Haiti (to name
only a couple) and promotes junk food and obesity, and just renewed our
damnable "Patriot Act" that spies on everyone (if your computer has a
webcam, I suggest that you cover it when it's not in use).
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/...n6220751.shtml

1% of Americans are in jail. Schools are losing funding (larger and
fewer classes). Right-wing wackos closed down the national anti-poverty
group, Acorn
http://www.democracynow.org/2010/3/1...agencies_to_re
sume, and 180,000 Americans will die before the reform goes into effect.
http://www.democracynow.org/2010/3/18/dennis_kucinich_and_ralph_nader_a

Other than that, it's a little foggy here in the redwoods this morning,
with partial sun this afternoon, and a high of 67°F (19°C).

I planted some La Ratte, French Fingerlings, and some German Butterball
potatoes yesterday, as well as some schallots, and radishes. Discovered
some tiny parsnips from last year while digging holes for the potatoes.
Last year a raccoon wiped-out most of my carrots and (I thought) all of
my parsnips. I replanted the ones that I dug up. Hope they take.

Snails almost completely striped my dwarf orange tree (They'll pay for
that, grr). Chives are back up, and many herbs are showing signs of life
(chives, echinacea, lemon balm, black cohosh, stinging nettle, burdoch,
borage, fringe pink, elcampane, mother's wort, and calendula).

I've mostly been trying to avoid work by re-potting my seedling. Don't
know how much more I can do though since I now have 6 trays of 6-packs
and 4" pots, which means an 8 hr. rotation with two trays under the grow
light at any given time. No wonder they are called nurseries. This is
just like caring for a baby.

Wonder if there is still a tinnie in the fridge?

Later,
--
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arn3lF5XSUg
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zinn/HZinn_page.html

In article , "George"
wrote:

"Charlie" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 17:55:08 +1300, "George"
wrote:


I put you guys crook there. It wasn't 50 cents, it was actually 20 cents.

That is about 10 cents in old US currency but probably about 50cents now,
since your dollar plunged.

rob

Here is a visual to put an exclamation point on Billy's post....

Pictures worth thousands of words, so it has been said...

http://cohort11.americanobserver.net...ediafinal.html

Charlie, in the middle, bein' squeezed hard and fast from left and
right, up and down.

ahhhhhhh, thank you neo-liberal deregulated capitalism for such a successful
unemployment rate. The UR rate is up to 7.3% here, having been as low as
3.4% a couple of years ago. Don't you just love the 'leave it to the market'
jokers.

rob

With the right sauce and some chips, yeah.
--
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arn3lF5XSUg
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zinn/HZinn_page.html

In article , Charlie wrote:

On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 10:23:23 -0700, Billy
wrote:

In article , "George"
wrote:

"Charlie" wrote in message
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On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 17:55:08 +1300, "George"
wrote:


I put you guys crook there. It wasn't 50 cents, it was actually 20
cents.

That is about 10 cents in old US currency but probably about 50cents
now,
since your dollar plunged.

rob

Here is a visual to put an exclamation point on Billy's post....

Pictures worth thousands of words, so it has been said...

http://cohort11.americanobserver.net...ediafinal.html

Charlie, in the middle, bein' squeezed hard and fast from left and
right, up and down.

ahhhhhhh, thank you neo-liberal deregulated capitalism for such a
successful
unemployment rate. The UR rate is up to 7.3% here, having been as low as
3.4% a couple of years ago. Don't you just love the 'leave it to the
market'
jokers.

rob

With the right sauce and some chips, yeah.

Have you boys read Cormac McCarthy's "The Road"?

Give it a go....quick read, very well written, unique style,
disturbing for many reasons.....might put you off your feed for a few
days.

Charlie, learning Yorkshire

Quick read? 241 pages? Aw hell. I could afford to lose some weight
anyway.
--
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arn3lF5XSUg
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zinn/HZinn_page.html