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ask@itshall says...

"David Hare-Scott" wrote in message
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markiss wrote:
Can anyone please advise where I may find someone to deliver safe,
well rotted, horse manure to Hertford, Hertfordshire, SG postcode.I
need a few cubic metres, for compost bins and vegetable patch, and
roses. Thanks for your help.

I cannot assist with specific advice as I am not in the UK. I suggest
that you contact stables and horse studs in your area. It may not be
rotted as that requires storing large quantities and horse places often
aim to get rid of it quickly. You may also be offered used stall bedding
which is straw with manure and urine.

I am curious about the way that horse manure might be unsafe. What do you
think could be wrong with it?


The UK has a problem with a aminopyralid residues in manures. Apparently if
you spread manure which has come from animals fed on pastures where this
product has been used, you can kill your plants.


If in/near a large city, perhaps the local zoo could supply
manure from animals that have been fed a safer diet?

My area has a company that supplies aged manure from the zoo, but
I don't live in the OP's country.


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Coffee's For Closers wrote:
In article ,
ask@itshall says...

"David Hare-Scott" wrote in message
...

markiss wrote:
Can anyone please advise where I may find someone to deliver safe,
well rotted, horse manure to Hertford, Hertfordshire, SG postcode.I
need a few cubic metres, for compost bins and vegetable patch, and
roses. Thanks for your help.

I cannot assist with specific advice as I am not in the UK. I
suggest that you contact stables and horse studs in your area. It
may not be rotted as that requires storing large quantities and
horse places often aim to get rid of it quickly. You may also be
offered used stall bedding which is straw with manure and urine.

I am curious about the way that horse manure might be unsafe. What
do you think could be wrong with it?


The UK has a problem with a aminopyralid residues in manures.
Apparently if you spread manure which has come from animals fed on
pastures where this product has been used, you can kill your plants.


If in/near a large city, perhaps the local zoo could supply
manure from animals that have been fed a safer diet?

My area has a company that supplies aged manure from the zoo, but
I don't live in the OP's country.

Once upon a time when circuses travelled the land as they left there would
be a rush to collect the manure. Elephant was very popular. Big beasties
have big turds, they must grow big tomatoes.

David

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"David Hare-Scott" wrote:

Coffee's For Closers wrote:
In article ,
ask@itshall says...

"David Hare-Scott" wrote in message
...

markiss wrote:
Can anyone please advise where I may find someone to deliver safe,
well rotted, horse manure to Hertford, Hertfordshire, SG postcode.I
need a few cubic metres, for compost bins and vegetable patch, and
roses. Thanks for your help.

I cannot assist with specific advice as I am not in the UK. I
suggest that you contact stables and horse studs in your area. It
may not be rotted as that requires storing large quantities and
horse places often aim to get rid of it quickly. You may also be
offered used stall bedding which is straw with manure and urine.

I am curious about the way that horse manure might be unsafe. What
do you think could be wrong with it?


The UK has a problem with a aminopyralid residues in manures.
Apparently if you spread manure which has come from animals fed on
pastures where this product has been used, you can kill your plants.


If in/near a large city, perhaps the local zoo could supply
manure from animals that have been fed a safer diet?

My area has a company that supplies aged manure from the zoo, but
I don't live in the OP's country.

Once upon a time when circuses travelled the land as they left there would
be a rush to collect the manure. Elephant was very popular. Big beasties
have big turds, they must grow big tomatoes.

David

When you consider all the crap that you can find in manure, I'd say buy
ORGANIC bagged fertilized.
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"David Hare-Scott" wrote in message

Once upon a time when circuses travelled the land as they left there would
be a rush to collect the manure. Elephant was very popular. Big beasties
have big turds, they must grow big tomatoes.

Elephant still is very popular. I managed to get some about 2 years ago and
it grew the best corn.

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"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote:
"Billy" wrote in message
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"Billy" wrote in message
"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote:
"David Hare-Scott" wrote in message

Is this aminopyralid? Does it actually go through horses and
remain
active?

Supposedly. But it could be a case like the American bee keepers
who
blamed
Australian imported bees for CCD.

I thought that Australian bees were brought in because of CCD. Could
you
amplify as I know nothing about this.

This is from the Australian rural press and because it appeared some
time
ago now, I am giving details from memory but wikipedia gives some
support
to
my recall of the coverage:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colony_collapse_disorder

Press reports ran along the lines of: Aus bees started being sent to
the
US
shortly before CCD started appearing in the US so when it did appear
there
was a subsequent hunt for the culprit. Usual crappola blame game then
began - it must be those damned furriners sending us furrin infected
bees
(which of course it wasn't, given that we don't have it).

Eventually it was discovered that it'd been seen earlier in both US
and
Europe and someone must have eventually figured that Australia had
e-mail
and probably asked someone here if Aus had it.

Sorry love, but everyone is a suspect until they are eliminated.

'Supect' yes, but not as an automatic knee jerk reaction in a press
driven
world. It was that crappola of kneejerkness that got up my left nostril
at
the time. No serious analysis had been done at that time.

In this
case, Australian bees arrive 2 years after the out break of CCD,

??? Aus bees went to the US 2 years before the outbreak, not after.

This is what happens when you read up-side down ;O)

LOL. Perhaps you should uncross your eyes when you read:
http://www.ars.usda.gov/News/docs.htm?docid=15572
Beginning in October 2006, some beekeepers began reporting losses of 30-90
percent of their hives. (snip) This phenomenon, which currently does not
have a recognizable underlying cause, has been termed "Colony Collapse
Disorder" (CCD). "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colony_collapse_disorder

Australian honey bees have been imported into the U.S. since 2004 and
until recently it was thought possible that this is how the virus
originally reached North America. Recent findings, however, reveal
the virus has been present in American bees since 2002.
----

Read first line, and then read the last line of the quote.
Doesn't it say Oz bees arrived 2004 but the virus here since 2002?

It does indeed say that, however, it also says "recent findings". That
means that just because CCD was in the US from at least 2002, it does not
mean that it was recognised as being a problem FROM that time.

As I said before the press reports that I gave you, related to reporting at
the time of the discovery and the kerfuffle at that time. The USDA says
that reports of CCD began in 2006 which was 2 years after the import of bees
from Aus began.

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"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote:

"Billy" wrote in message
"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote:
"Billy" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote:

"Billy" wrote in message
"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote:
"David Hare-Scott" wrote in message

Is this aminopyralid? Does it actually go through horses and
remain
active?

Supposedly. But it could be a case like the American bee keepers
who
blamed
Australian imported bees for CCD.

I thought that Australian bees were brought in because of CCD. Could
you
amplify as I know nothing about this.

This is from the Australian rural press and because it appeared some
time
ago now, I am giving details from memory but wikipedia gives some
support
to
my recall of the coverage:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colony_collapse_disorder

Press reports ran along the lines of: Aus bees started being sent to
the
US
shortly before CCD started appearing in the US so when it did appear
there
was a subsequent hunt for the culprit. Usual crappola blame game then
began - it must be those damned furriners sending us furrin infected
bees
(which of course it wasn't, given that we don't have it).

Eventually it was discovered that it'd been seen earlier in both US
and
Europe and someone must have eventually figured that Australia had
e-mail
and probably asked someone here if Aus had it.

Sorry love, but everyone is a suspect until they are eliminated.

'Supect' yes, but not as an automatic knee jerk reaction in a press
driven
world. It was that crappola of kneejerkness that got up my left nostril
at
the time. No serious analysis had been done at that time.

In this
case, Australian bees arrive 2 years after the out break of CCD,

??? Aus bees went to the US 2 years before the outbreak, not after.

This is what happens when you read up-side down ;O)

LOL. Perhaps you should uncross your eyes when you read:
http://www.ars.usda.gov/News/docs.htm?docid=15572
Beginning in October 2006, some beekeepers began reporting losses of 30-90
percent of their hives. (snip) This phenomenon, which currently does not
have a recognizable underlying cause, has been termed "Colony Collapse
Disorder" (CCD). "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colony_collapse_disorder

Australian honey bees have been imported into the U.S. since 2004 and
until recently it was thought possible that this is how the virus
originally reached North America. Recent findings, however, reveal
the virus has been present in American bees since 2002.
----

Read first line, and then read the last line of the quote.
Doesn't it say Oz bees arrived 2004 but the virus here since 2002?

It does indeed say that, however, it also says "recent findings". That
means that just because CCD was in the US from at least 2002, it does not
mean that it was recognised as being a problem FROM that time.

As I said before the press reports that I gave you, related to reporting at
the time of the discovery and the kerfuffle at that time. The USDA says
that reports of CCD began in 2006 which was 2 years after the import of bees
from Aus began.

No argument from me, primarily because I don't scab up as quickly as I
once did.

I went to the University of Illinois web site, because they have an
article entitled "Are Honeybees Still in Trouble?"
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
March 4, 2010
http://web.extension.illinois.edu/st...m?NewsID=17158
Unfortunately, they don't answer the question that they posed. grrrr
All that we are given is the kind of conjecture that one gets from
alcohol fueled school boys. "It is possible that CCD has been in
existence for centuries and it just occasionally builds up to a high
enough level to cause a problem." grrr grrr

I guess we'll have to wait to see if the almond crop fails, then we'll
know if CCD has diminished or increased.

In the meantime, underfunding of American education is becoming
shockingly apparent.

On a different note:
http://www.beeprotect.org/bee_protect_and_ccd.htm
The number of managed honey bee colonies has dropped from 5 million in
the1940s to only 2.5 million today. At the same time, the call for hives
to supply pollination service has continued to climb. This means honey
bee colonies are trucked farther and more often than ever before.
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merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.

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